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Senthil,

Fully agree with all your views. As I said Raja is adjusting himself to the new commerce of film making and film music but it is impossible that he will let anyone meddle with his music. He will patiently hear what the director / producer wants but once he has composed no one, including him, can change a single note. That is what M G Sreekumar told in an interview.

"In cinema everything should serve the purpose of story, character, actors, aesthetics and artistic style. Everything else is gibberish. I think Raaja has very deep understanding of this basic aspect."

Absolutely. Plum calls this narrative integrity. Raja will never get away from this path. That is my assessment. Even though he may be very flexible in external stuff, like attending CD release functions or praising the director etc, when it comes to his craft, he will maintain that integrity. Unfortunately the whole movie industry has moved from 'music should be integral part of the film' to 'music should be album based and caller tune based' !!!

My initial reaction from that little piece I heard:

just ok kind. Disappointing from raaja's-standard point-of-view. But yes, it is premature to write off.

The teasers of Padithurai, Happi or even the teaser of SRR got me more excited when i heard them first. But not this one.

Though I am happy about IR-GVM partnership, I still maintain what I wrote months ago - that my expectations are somewhat grounded. Thats because I dont see GVM as someone with a keen sense of music (atleast the ones he took for his films). Yes, he is (marginally)better than many directors but nothing really great. From all his films, I liked just 1 song from Minnale, 1 song from Vaaranam aayiram, 1 song from khaka khaka & about 2-3 songs from VTV. Thats about it. He likes raaja's music a lot though. So, this movie's music could be very good. But its better to expect less and get surprised rather than having high expectations and getting disappointed. But lets hope there are still some good numbers in this film. Lets wait and see how songs shape up.

engu thodanginOm,
enge selgindrom,
ondrumE vilangavillai.

kanfdant illaadha baays!

First time kEtkumpOthu kaduppu, but then I realise the song is not meant for Kamal or Rajini. For Jeeva, Yuvan can do.

grouch...,

Rajini kamal kaalam ellaam mudinju pochchu.
So IR needs to be more careful for people like Jeeva.
I would have liked some other youngster like Karthik / Haricharan / Naresh Iyer instead of Yuvan.
Another reason is that IR could have avoided people saying "IR had Yuvan's help in this film".
That kind of remark is very well possible considering the new generation's ignorance about IR.

raja_fan, yeah, I understand what you are trying to say. I am one of the biggest anti-Yuvan_the_singer activists here . But considering the star's magnitude, Yuvan can pass. But you are right, antha levelleyum vera option irukkE...what to do...

கௌதம் மேனன் ராஜா பாமாலை பாடுவதை சிலர் செயற்கையானது என்றும் சமயத்துக்கு தக்க ஜால்ரா என்றும் கருதுகின்றனர். அதற்கு முக்கிய காரணம், நீதானே என் பொன்வசந்தம் படத்திற்கு, ராஜாவிடம் செல்லும்முன்னரே ரஹ்மானிடமும், பின் அவர் மறுக்க, ஹாரிஸிடமும் கேட்டு அவரும் மறுத்த பின்னரே ராஜாவிடம் வந்ததாக கருதுவது. இது உன்மையா தெரியாது. அதே சமயம் கௌதம், ஒவ்வொரு படம் செய்யும்போதும் ராஜாவிடம் செல்லலாமா என எண்ணியதுன்டு என்று கூறுவதையும் சிலர் நம்ப மறுக்கின்றனர். அதுவும் உன்மையா, அவர் அப்படி நிஜமாகவே நினைத்தாரா தெரியாது.

ஆனால் இதை எப்படி பார்க்கவேன்டும் என்றால், கௌதம், ஏற்கனவே வாரணம் ஆயிரம் படத்தில் ராஜாவின் பாடல்களை நுழைத்திருப்பார். ஆனால் அது செயற்கையாக தெரிந்ததில்லை. அதற்கு முன்னரே பல இயக்குனர்களும் ராஜாவின் பாடல்களை இதுபோல் பயன்படுத்தியது உண்டு (உதாரணம் பின்னணியில் ஒலிப்பது போல்) ஆனால் கௌதம் முதல்முறையாக இதை செய்தார். அது படத்திற்கு பொருத்தமாகவே இருந்தது திணிக்கப்பட்டதல்ல.

சூர்யா ஒருமுறை ராஜா-கௌதம் காம்பினேஷனில் நாம் ஒரு படம் செய்தால் என்ன என்று கௌதமிடம் கேட்டதாக தெரிகிறது. இது மிகவும் இயல்பானது! இன்றைய நடிகர்கள் இயக்குனர்கள் பலருக்கும் தோன்றி இருக்கக்கூடிய, இனிமேலும் தோன்றக்கூடிய விஷயம் தான். ஆனால் அவர்கள் பலரும், அதை செயல்படுத்த முனைவதில்லை. கௌதம் செய்திருக்கிறார். ஆக, இவ்வளவு நாள் அவர் ஹாரிசிடமும், ஒரு முறை ரஹ்மானிடம் சென்றதால், அவருக்கு முந்தய படங்களின் போது, ராஜாவிடம் செல்லும் யோசனை வந்திருக்கும் என்றால் அது நடந்திருக்க கூடியதே. அதாவது அப்படி ஒரு எண்ணம் கௌதமிற்கு நிஜமாகவே தோன்றி இருக்க அதிக வாய்ப்புண்டு. அவர் பேச்சும் செயலும் அவருக்குள் இருக்கும் ரசிகனை நன்றாகவே வெளிச்சம் போட்டு காட்டுகிறது!

இவ்வளவு நாள் கழித்து, அவர் ராஜாவிடம் வந்தது நல்ல விஷயம் தான். நிச்சயம் இது மற்ற இயக்குனர்களுக்கும் ஒரு ஊக்கத்தை தர அதிகம் வாய்ப்புள்ளது!

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Originally Posted by raja_fan

grouch...,

Another reason is that IR could have avoided people saying "IR had Yuvan's help in this film".
That kind of remark is very well possible considering the new generation's ignorance about IR.

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:lol: raja_fan, it seems more like you would give ideas to the younger generation. They seem to be quite aware of Raja's work and style.

sakala,

That article seems to be true. Any person in GVM's age group can't escape IR. Most of them do not come to him as he for most part is not commercially viable for them as big banners.(producers might ask for new guys, sellability etc). In that GVM know how to market IR in different way and hence found viability. That is Good.

Given the hype, if album is good, IR will become commercially viable and so many others with GVM's age group might decide to work with IR. That is why this album living upto or exceeding expectation is very important for all IR fans.

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Originally Posted by baroque

I am also waiting with all enthu for the rest of the tracks, guys!

:-D

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akkov.. nambiten akkov...;-)

Suresh,

Not at all !
I have heard many "younger generations" saying "IR's sons are now helping IR in catching up with the new trends".
Particularly when "Friends" became a hit, one of my younger generation friend said "IR ellaam mohan hits thaan..ippo appavukku pasanga solli kodukkaraanga"

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

akkov.. nambiten akkov...;-)

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GVM-Harris pazhasu.....GVM-IR pudhusu!

GVM & Ilayaraja is latest ma!:smokesmirk:

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Originally Posted by raja_fan

ippo appavukku pasanga solli kodukkaraanga

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Joke of the century! Avangathaan indha maathiri sweeping statements kodukuraanga'na, is it not our responsibility to show them the real facts, by giving some awesome examples like Hey!Ram, Virumaandi, Pazhassi Raja, or SRR or Paa or Naan Kadavul and the whole bunch of Malayalam classics. Can Karthik or Yuvan even imagine in their dreams to compose these classics? What a shame to IR and his fans, it cannot be worse than this.

We already are having a fine example in NEPV. Did IR take Karthik or Yuvan along with him to London to record NEPV to compose as per the latest trend? or Did he take advise from them for composing Chinna POlike or Edaya Bagilu or Mudhi Mudhi or Cheeni Kum hai? Not even in any composers wildest dream, these compositions could even accidently step in, leave alone his sons.

V_S,

vidunga. raja_fanukku idhellam sagajam :) He will never correct anyone who has anything bad to say about Raja but faithfully reproduce it here !!! So don't get worked up. Anyone who has some musical sense can know where Raja stands and where others stand.

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Originally Posted by raja_fan

Particularly when "Friends" became a hit, one of my younger generation friend said "IR ellaam mohan hits thaan..ippo appavukku pasanga solli kodukkaraanga"

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Raja_fan
Unga akkarai, vizhippunarchchi, podhu sevai - idhellaam mei silirkka vekkudhu :notworthy: :clap: :sabaash:

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Originally Posted by raja_fan

Particularly when "Friends" became a hit

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Friends MFM (which came first) is infinitely better than Friends TFM.

May be IR got bored to do the remake & subcontracted it to his sons :wink:

unga kitta mattum intha maathiri aalunga maatraanga, enga kitta konjam anuppi vaiyunga

Not sure why there are so many -ve opinions on Yuvan's singing. He's wan't that bad, IMO. More over, as some one pointed out, NEPV's protagonists are ameture singers. So, Yuvan's voice bodes well here.

Coming to the song, this is going to be one hell of an earworm. Highly catchy. Just watch how he connects Anupallavi back with pallavi (around 1:11). Perfect Rajamudra!

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Originally Posted by Nerd

On the melody, adadaaaa.. vERu enna pEsa.. and hey hey hey (last few secs) => GOLD.

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:yes:

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Originally Posted by vigneshram

Yuvan's song here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOQUVbW-FTA

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EKI Rajavae!!! Bhavatha poraadhunnu ippo Yuvaroda taarcharaa?
AmAm, indha maadhiri real , hollow guitaring ellaam andha "Amruthamaay" paatukku vechA [other than the start] thaan enna korachal?

VeLakkumaathukku pattu kunjalam

Thanks Suresh ji. I feel since we are accustomed and impacted by his music for almost more than decades, there is also another important role to be played as Raja fans (not applicable to others) apart from just listening and appreciating. That is, taking his music to previous generations as well as the current/younger generations, especially his post-90's collections. Many have almost forgot him or have such wrong impressions about him. This is the pity of a man given his life to music, and this could be the biggest disappointment any raja fan can have. This can be addressed (not solved) atleast by some good personal interaction with our friends and families by starting with their views on his music and slowly drawing attention to IR, his contributions and his unique specialities. It is not a proud activity, as a responsibility, I have at least made 100's of my (thamizh/telugu/kannada/hindi) friends listen to Raja frequently, especially his latest offering and then ask their honest views and how it compares to current scenario. I knew how they were 10 years before and how they changed now. They now feel how much they were missing IR compositions and listening to some mediocre stuff and claiming that's the best. Many in fact give me the news about his latest. Only question they have is why this glorious music is not reaching them. I too ask the same question to them, how come you know about others. It is your interest in them that seeks you to them, not that it automatically it comes to you. Same way, if you are interested in him, everything will follow you. In any case, I never force them to like any song, just give their merits. Nammaala mudinja oru siru ubayam. :smile:

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Originally Posted by raja_fan

ippo appavukku pasanga solli kodukkaraanga"

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It is definitely possible...

Yuvan is well qualified to advise IR about how to make a foreign trip in the name of composing and depleting producer's bank account. (Bangkok, Singapore, Dubai, Vegas, Rio de Janeiro etc...). Poor IR composed most of his songs from a corner room in AVM studio.

Suresh and Bala,

Try to understand that I have already mentioned that it is their ignorance of IR that some of the "younger generation" speak like this.
Not once, I have come across many times when some of my friends say "IR is synonymous with Mohan hits".
They are not IR fans like us to stop by and appreciate works like Hey Ram etc.

Refrain from making personal ridicule on me. That is in bad taste. Please argue in a healthy way.

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Originally Posted by Sureshs65

V_S,

vidunga. raja_fanukku idhellam sagajam :) He will never correct anyone who has anything bad to say about Raja but faithfully reproduce it here !!! So don't get worked up. Anyone who has some musical sense can know where Raja stands and where others stand.

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Suresh,

Ungalukku ennai patri ennai vida adhigam therindhirukkirathu. Mikka nanri. Aanaal karuththai karuththaal vella muyarchchi seiyungal. Adhai vittu vittu kindal keli seithaal pirachchanai veru thisaila poidum. Nallathillai.

Moderators, please take care.

I think we’re undervaluing IR’s reach among the youth. No, not that he’s the best known guy around, but he isn’t too ‘from-the-Jurassic’ either.
Some random instances:

• Kadhalil sodhappuvadhu eppadi, made by Balaji Mohan, who I’m guessing is in his early twenties, and mostly seen as a movie targeted at today’s youth crowd, has a line that roughly goes ‘ava pEsardhu kEkkarappo, avalo inimaya, appidiyE Ilayaraja paattu kEkkara maadhiri irukkum’. A subplot in the film that revolves around the troubled parents of the lead lady, who are on the brink of a divorce, has valaiosai as BGM in a scene where they’re shown uniting again.
• In Irumbu kOttai murattu singam, Lawrence sings the jadhi portion of azhagu malar aada and when questioned about who his guru is, he answers ‘ilayaraja’.
• Scenes from GVM films where there’s reference to Raaja.
• There’s a nightly program on the channel Isai Aruvi called ‘Innisai raja’ that features the Man’s songs. ‘avaru oru genius’, ‘legend’, ‘melody king’, ‘avaroda paattu ellam romba soothing aa irukkum’ are the oft-heard comments on the show, where the audience appear to be common folk regardless of age and not HCIRFs alone.

The point I’m trying to make here is that, Raaja’s name does make a ‘connect’ with the common man including the youth. Yes, he might not be construed a ‘youth icon’, but there’s a degree of respect and adoration that one can sense from the general public towards him and his music. Awareness of 'the legend amidst us' is undeniably present.

And I’m pretty sure that 80% of the crowd isn’t bothered too much about who the composer is – paattu nalla irukka, romba sandhosham. YSR aa - oh cool, GVP aa – ohho nice, ARR aa – oh lovely, IR aa – oh beautiful, ippidi comment kuduthutu, paatta kEttOma, rightu; naan undu en velai undu nu poidvaanga.

‘ada idhellaam bullet point pOttu solli dhaan theriyanuma’ nu thOnudhu. In fact I don’t even feel like posting this thing! But ezhudhi tholachaachu, post pannidren!
Gauthama budhdhar albaththa release pannaama ippadi polamba vekkiraare :evil: :hammer:

Oh cool cool and stop everything. Let us wait for release of the album or another teaser :mrgreen:

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Originally Posted by V_S

Joke of the century! Avangathaan indha maathiri sweeping statements kodukuraanga'na, is it not our responsibility to show them the real facts, by giving some awesome examples like Hey!Ram, Virumaandi, Pazhassi Raja, or SRR or Paa or Naan Kadavul and the whole bunch of Malayalam classics. Can Karthik or Yuvan even imagine in their dreams to compose these classics? What a shame to IR and his fans, it cannot be worse than this.

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V_S, thoongaravangala mattum ezhupunga.....thoongara maadhiri nadikiravangala freeýa vidunga.....it will be a waste of your time and energy.....I am guessing you are relatively new to the forum to understand the underlying motives of how and why some people post in this thread.....

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Originally Posted by KV

‘ada idhellaam bullet point pOttu solli dhaan theriyanuma’ nu thOnudhu. In fact I don’t even feel like posting this thing! But ezhudhi tholachaachu, post pannidren!

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adhey dhaan....

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Originally Posted by vel

adhey dhaan....

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Vel,

Why this indirect bashing ? Speak to me directly please...

I am again and again stressing :
that kind of opinion about IR was from my IGNORANT friends who do not care to evaluate valuable music from the junk. It is not my opinion..And I did not say here that I just accepted the view of my friends and did not put effort in changing that.

My point in telling that here is that IR could have avoided strengthening of this opinion by opting out Yuvan from this album. Because whether we like or not, opinions of these kind of people matter in the market and image.

Idhukku poi "thoongaravan..nadikkaravan" nu enyaa tension aagareenga ?

Who are you to certify anybody's motives here ? Please attack my points instead of personal attacks.

KV, that was a good post saar! Appappo remind pannikittu irukkanum, thappE illai nguren!

dig - what happened to the NEPV thread in the film hub ?

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Originally Posted by irir123

dig - what happened to the NEPV thread in the film hub ?

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oh adhuvaa - raasa iskoolukku poi sumaaraana jazz kudukkaporaarnu theerppu aaiduchu ange.

idhellAm edhir katchi sadhi. epdiyO avanga objective(NEPV thread removal from main section) niRaivERiyadhu. edhukku ivLO kastapattu seyal puriyarAngannu dhAn puriyala. audio release paNNavunE super flop audio-nu (modern trend illai, mylapore trend illai) solla dhAn neRaiya chance kedaikkumE avangaLukku..ippOvE edhukku nadavadikkai edukkaRAngannu dhAn puriyala.

jaiganes - nalla soodana thread adhu - naan potta postukku, roshan enna respond pannaarunnu paarka ponaal, threadaiye kaanom !

Plum - ippadiyellaam vera sadhi nadakkudhaa inga ? naan potta post oru ferfectly legitimate post quoting from a ferfectly legitimate website's review of IR's jazzy forays!

namma ellorum serntu naattaamai ya kelvi keppom. Atleast filter pannittu appadiye restore panna sollaNum. Vida kuudaathu :evil:

irir123 - nInga apdiyApatta legitimate response kodukkaRa aLavukku ellAm worth illeng...vidunga

SKV - I was jesting. Cleaning in progressnu moderator aRivichuttArE. irundhAlum, en post oNNu kooda delete Agi irukkattum, nAn supreme court varaikkin pOvEn.

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SKV - I was jesting. Cleaning in progressnu moderator aRivichuttArE. irundhAlum, en post oNNu kooda delete Agi irukkattum, nAn supreme court varaikkin pOvEn.

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supreme court yaarunga? voottukaarammava?