Naan enna ninaikkiren, neenga enna ninaikkireenga ellaam ippo matter illa, Raja poraamai pattaar engira அவதானிப்பு பற்றி தான் பேச்சே!
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Naan enna ninaikkiren, neenga enna ninaikkireenga ellaam ippo matter illa, Raja poraamai pattaar engira அவதானிப்பு பற்றி தான் பேச்சே!
ஆஸ்கர் வாங்கிய பிறகு ரஹ்மான் ஹாலிவுட்டில் என்ன செய்து கிழித்தார் என்ற தொனியில் விழுந்த சகல அவர்களின் பதிவு ஆரோக்யமானதாக இல்லை என்பது என் பார்வை. தவிர்த்திருக்கலாம்.
2009 la avar Oscar vaanginappavum sari, ippavum sari, மக்கள்ஸ் இசை பற்றி அதன் உள்ளடப்பம் பற்றி பேசுறதை விட, யாருக்கு அதிக சம்பளம், புகழ், வாய்ப்புக்கள் என தான் பார்க்கின்றனர். இதை வைத்தே அனைத்தையும் முடிவு செய்துவும் விடுகின்றனர்.
ரஜினி என்றுமே பெரிய மாஸ் தான் என்றாலும் கமல் மாஸ் + க்ளாஸ் என்பதை ரஜினியே கூட ஓரளவு ஒத்துக்கொள்வார். இப்போது பேசுவது அதைப்போலத்தான்! ரஜினி வசூலில், உச்சத்தில் தான். ஆனால் அவர் கமலுக்கு வரைந்து கொடுத்த ஓவியத்தில் அவர் கீழே தான், கமல் மேலே தான். அதுபோன்ற விஷயம் இது!
ரஹ்மான் இதை ஒத்துக்கொள்வாரா என்பதை கூட விட்டுவிடுங்கள், ஆனால் ரஹ்மான் ரசிகர்கள், ரஹ்மானின் அதிக சம்பளம், புகழ், வாய்ப்புக்கள் இவற்றை வைத்தும், ராஜாவின் சில பதில்கள் இவற்றை வைத்தும் ராஜாவை மிக மிக கீழிறக்க முயல்கிறார்கள். இதை Versus Thing ஆக மாற்ற முயல்கிறார்கள். ரஹ்மான் என்றில்லை, எந்த Versus க்கும் அப்பாற்பட்ட மிக உயரத்தில்ருப்பதே ராஜாவின் திறன். அது தற்போது நீதா.எ.பொ.வசந்தம் மூலம் இசையாகவும் சரி, வர்த்தக வெற்றியாகவும் சரி, வெற்றி பெற்று ஊர்ஜிதப்படுத்த பட்டது. இந்த ஒரு ஆல்பம் மட்டுமே ராஜாவின் இசைத்திறனுக்கு உதாரணம் என்று அல்ல, ஆனால் இதுவும் ஒரு (முக்கியமான) (தொடரும்) உதாரணம்
சார், என்ன செய்தார் என்று சரியான தொனியில் கேட்பதை ஏன் "என்னத்த கிழித்தார்" என்று சொன்னதுபோல் மாற்றுகிறீர்கள்?!? இன்றைய தேதியில் நம்ம ஆள் ஒருத்தர் அங்கு இருப்பதே நமக்கு பெருமை தானே! அந்தப் பெருமையில், உள்ளூரில் இருக்கும் ஒப்பற்ற உலகமேதையை மட்டம் தட்டாதீர்கள் என்று தானே சொல்கிறேன்
என்னை கேள்வி கேட்கும் வெங்கி, ரஹ்மானின் ஆஸ்கரை பார்த்து இன்னும் ராஜா பொறாமைப்படுகிறார் என்பதுபோலவும், அது நல்லதுக்குத்தான் என்பதுபோலவும் எழுதி இருக்கும் அஜை பாஸ்கரை ஏன் எந்த கேள்வியும் கேட்கவில்லை?? விவகாரம் துவங்கியதே அங்குதானே ஐயா?!?
ரஹ்மாநின் கவ்வாலி/சுஃபி இசை பற்றி பலமுறை மையத்தில் கேள்வி கேட்டேன். அதையும் இங்குள்ள ரஹ்மான் ரசிகர்கள் நக்கலாக தப்பர்த்தம் செய்துகொண்டார்கள். நேற்று அப்படி ஒரு நல்ல பதிவு கிடைத்ததும் அதை போஸ்ட் செய்யவே இந்த திரிக்கு வந்தேன். அப்போதுதான் அஜை பாஸ்கரின் அந்த அபத்த போஸ்டை கண்டேன்
sakala... romba dhum katringa...
i think there is no necessity for it here...
why do u hav to explain so much abt IR here...? why do u have to be so desperate... what do u or IR lose if the fellas here does not realize the worth of Raja?
Enakku enna desparation? I am very happy, recent days :D And that just going to continue!
If you ask this -> "what do u or IR lose if the fellas here does not realize the worth of Raja?"
I lose nothing, you urself know that :) But athukkaaka post E pannaama irukkaNumaa?!? Post pannanum nnu thONuthu, post panren, thatsall. Dhum ellaam illeenga, I am comfortable with long/dense posts :)
ajay postku respond panninga... adha naan edhum sollala...
but adhayum thaandi IR'na enna'nu padam varanju baagam kurichittu irukkeengalae... adhum sammandham illaadha threadla... adha dhaan 'romba dhum katreenganu' sonen... i am not askin u not to post... if i din like u posting, then i would have ignored ur post...
SS,
While nobody is worried about Rahman's humongous Talent & Success, Pulling Raja down, to, too much is condemnable. Entha Alavukku innum kooda Rajavoda unparalleled Talent ai purinjikkaama irukkaangannu explain panna thaan in-depth aa post pannen. Ippavum accept pannippaangalaannu theriyaathu, kavalaiyum illai. Aanaa naan sollitten, my duty over :)
Me visiting this thread very rarely ya! Also situation demands this extended topics, thatswhy :)
Naan paavam :lol: ennagna seiven?!? Ennaala summaa irukka mudiyalanga! Athukku mela ungka kelvikku enna bathil solrathunnum theriyala :)
Naan ethukku intha thread kulla vanthen nnu clear aa sollitten!
See this tweet, https://twitter.com/mayilSK/status/266380947572813826
Its dated yesterday only. Once i saw that, i happily came to post the links here. Appo thaan en kannula antha post pattathu. Rest is history :rotfl:Quote:
Becos of IR bashing only, few good hubbers left this space. Antha varutham kooda irukkalaam...
SKV - i have been watching/reading silently - first of all, why did IR related talk even begin in this thread ?? isnt it irrelevant to this thread's title ? I dont get it
plus, I dont agree with your line of thought abt Rajini's portrait gift to Kamal in a way humbling himself - adhu avaroda thanippatta karutthu, feeling etc etc - adhai avar sollumbodhu azhaghu + mariyadhai minjudhu - aanaa, adhaiyey naano neengalo sutti kambichhu 'dho paar, avaru ivarukku keezha thaan' nnu solradhu equivalent to begging/clamoring for attention - not necessary IMHO - coz we all know how kamal's or rajini's works affects/impacts us individually thats what matters
I wudnt care less, for what junta thinks/feels, or rather, what media's perception is abt what makkals think! we live in an age of blogs, and personal websites, and highly knowledgeable ppl contribute in those blogs, making mainstream media totally redundant - this trend can be obviously seen on the political front, where ppl are losing interest in mainstream media spouting nonsense, while ppl with indepth knowledge/sense of socio-political events and vast experience in these fields, give their educated opinions in personal blogs!
I wudnt care less what some ARR fan or for that matter even an IR fan tells me abt either of their music - so happens that my musical taste buds have been honed during the 1980s, 90s etc by the monster IR's genius - yenga poi suthhinaalum, kadaseela avar music sundi izhuppadhu is testimony to the impact his music continues to have on me - ARR getting an oscar or not, in no way diminishes my admiration for IR's music, nor does it make me feel bad abt ARR's better compositions, period!
konjam objectivity maintain panradhu betternu ninaikkaren
what ARR accomplishes or not in hollywood is entirely upto him - somone savvy enough to hire the Gorfaine / Schwartz Agency to get his job done in LA, does not need anyone from the TFM page to tell him how to go fashioning his career!
IR avar kitta varra projects ellam reject panradhum, othhukkaradhum avaroda choice.
though i used to get emotional 10 years ago, I have reconciled to the fact that these are two entirely different mindsets, one operating at a very-well organized structured professional level in terms of furthering one's career, while the other is slightly old-school in terms of all of these - btw, am not talking abt musical creativity!
as for 'sindu mundu sundakkaais, vendakkaais' talking condescending, derogatory stuff abt IR, i wud safely ignore them - they are simply not my equals, ungalukku eppadiyo theriyaadhu - i got better stuff to do
btw, 'nenjukkulley' continues with the kind of clarity in sound ARR always scores high on with every single instrument coming out perfectly - venumnaa we can discuss elsewhere how IR dumps layers and layers of instrumentals within 4 min in a track as in NEPV and though it has all come out well, IMO technology is struggling to keep up with his genius! idhu eppadi irukku ?!
to put it all in a nutshell, inga yaaru yenna solliyum, onniyum aagapporadhilla - neither ARR nor IR will decide on things based on any of this - avinga suyambu, yenna panradhunnu avingalukku theriyin - avinga music kekkaradhum kekkaama poradhum avaravar ishtam!
Sakala,
I clearly explained what ARR accomplished in Hollywood post the Oscar win. You carefully overlooked it.
On the jealousy part, I've always had that feel. Be it the needless dig on ARR"s 'Ella pugazhum iraivanukke' or the recent remark on the composer who works at night, my opinion only gets more and more instances to substantiate with. If people are failing to see that or refusing to see, then its their problem. And importantly, those remarks on ARR had nothing to do with music.
There were also instances when Raja had issues with synthesized sounds. Show me one post of mine or any other ARR fan bashing IR for that. We had let it go since it was not his way of composing music and his issues were understandable. He belongs to a different school altogether.
If Venkki wanted to question my post, then he has all the rights to do it. I don't think there is need for a facilitator there. If you find my post inappropriate, report it to the moderator. Stop grading it. Abaththam,arputham ellam avanga sollattum.
Srini talks about minsaara poove
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uE-p94Wryo
The original tune was for a female solo.. The Pallavi was different.. ARR had composed it with a mridangam loop and he had sung so many variations for about 25 minutes.. Then he called me and started editing it into a proper Pallavi charanam format .. And recorded the rough tune with me.. When the song rec happened it had become a duet and the Pallavi tune was freshly composed .. He taught me and I taught nithyashree the tune.. Hariji was supposed to sing the song but was out of the country.. I finished the track in 10 min since it was just a rough track for Hariji to dub later.. Nithyashri freaked out with alaaps and some jathis.. Then Palakkad sriram came and added some more jathis.. All this on some basic chords and a mridangam loop.. Then AR got into action and chopped the jathis placed the alaaps etc and got the basic structure going.. And then recorded the genius DA Srinivas on the mridangam .. If you notice the song starts with the same jathi that sriram did in the end..only diff is it is played on the mridangam.. They shot with this version and later Hariji came and sang my portion.. I have heard that and of course he sang it differently and more beautifully than me but it just did not suit Rajni on screen.. And both Rajni and ARR felt my singing suited the character better.. Fortunately for me the song was shot and done.. So my version stayed.. Hariji's Alaap stayed.. This was a stroke of luck for me more than anything else.. Since it was a rough I just got 10 min to do the song and that is what you hear.. Always wish that I had at least an hour .. But this incident goes to prove that nothing can stop you if your time is good.. At that point in time replacing Hariji was like a completely impossible thing..
watch from 5.00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfCmijeu8Kw
Ajay,
Raja's comment for "Ellaa pugazhum iraivanukke", where is Oscar coming into picture? I don't remember if he said this b4 or after oscars. Even if he said later, i don't see a connection.
On that 'composer who works at night' again you have to tell what is insulting. Computer munnaadiye thoongi vazhigira composers kooda now turned towards Live Recording- is what he said. Ithula enna thappu? Thoongi vazhigira et all, you ppl got good opportunity to laugh at him :lol: since its not like he peeped into panchathan inn to see Rahman sleeping at his 'night-time' work. And as i said, you, like any other Rahman fan comfortably skip how that moron framed the question to Raja. "Computers, tecnology etc use senju isai amaithu Kaatta Mudiyumaa" which naturally irked Raja. Namakku Rajavai yaar eppadi insult senjaalum, media enna kostin kettaalum, kaiya pudichi izhuthaalum kavalai illai. Aanaa Raja mattum atchara suthamaa pesaNum, sinnama oru mistake vanthaalum pothum, udane poraamai nnu sollidalaam! Aanaa yen poraamai, ethukku poraamai nnu solla theriyaathu!
And yes you said what Rahman accomplished in HW but you urself said you are unsure of the final outcome and also you didn't say what exactly happened for him in HW which makes another composer to feel jealous.
Synthesized sound - avarukku pudikkalai sari ok, thats something even yuvan uses. But what did Raja say? I don't know this incident.
Ajaybaskar,
It is all your fault. antha vishayatha neenga inga konda vara poi thevai illaama sakala-ya intha threadla IR puranam ezhutha vechu atha naa padichu tholaichu thalavali vanthathuthaan micham. You gave him a chance to belittle ARR. Ennavo pannunga.
IR enna sonna ennanga? atha poyi IR section la post panna vendiyathuthaane?
I did not want to get into this but Sakala just one question, yaaro oruthan (muttal kelviyave irukkattum) avara technology pathi ketta kelvikku en innoru composera izhukkanum? Cheap shot IMHO. Innoru vishayam, ivar NEPV songsukku apparam than mathavanga ellam live instruments use panrangalam EKSI :banghead: FYI Roja la irunthu nanga oru oru cassettelayum cd layum musicians peru pottu varom
Rama,
Pls accept my apologies. :wink: I now understand the pain I've caused you and it was purely unintentional. :)
Enna cheap shot?? athai thaane ketkiten?? Live instruments starting la irunthe use panraaru thaan but again athu oru mis information thaane? appo athuvum insult illaiye! Again, intha answer ai inga post senju neenga IR oda answer ai nenachi urundu sirichi iruntheengannaa kooda athai paarthu naan ethuvum sollirukka mudiyaathu! Urundu sirikkura maathiri thaan avar answer senjirunthaaru. Paavam avarum oraLavu technology use senji irunthaalum muttaaL thanamaa kelvi kettathaala avaru erichal aagittaaru. Ithula enga avar innoru composer ai insult panraaru??
Raja sila words ai utter senjaaleye, udane name pulling, insult, kaiya pudichi izhuthing, poraamai nnu sammanthame illaama solli avarai thittureenga. ungalukku ellam IR baching panna oru saakku thevai paduthu thatsall. At same time, avar innum retire aagaama success kudukkurathai paaraattalainnaa kuuda paravaayilla, media vum sila muttaal fans um kelvi kettu avarai torture panraanga. ithellaam stop aagaNum
ennaale ne ketta unnaala naan ketten. appo rendu perume thaan thoonga pOganum!
LM, can you please sanitize this thread?
Isn't it obvious that your questions on Rahman's success in Hollywood are rhetorical?
See, it is an undeniable fact that Rahman is the only Indian composer who enjoys both great popularity and critical acclaim. Rahman is the only Indian composer who has been able to enter foreign film industries in a convincing manner. Nobody else has managed to do that. Ithuve poraama pada koodiya vishayam thaane? He actually need not achieve anything in Hollywood. We all know what sort of a genius he is with or without success in Hollywood. In fact, there are many popular foreign artists who have expressed their interest to meet or work with ARR. Now, I can't provide a list of all the artists. I have read about them in different places at different times. Bryan Adams and Michael Jackson are two examples.
Regarding your comments on ARR as being merely a commercial composer, it is definitely not true. There are crores of fans who love the quality of ARR's music. His quality and true love of people towards his music has given rise to commercial opportunities for producers. Not the other way around. His qawwali numbers are great hits not because they are commercial. They are soulful numbers and people really enjoy them. Commercial success is a bonus.
We feel ARR is superior to all other MDs including IR. It is not because of ignorance or limited knowledge or anything like that. It is because of pure disinterest towards IR’s style of music. Fans like myself, Ajaybaskar, Maddy have all heard enough of IR music. We all feel he is a good composer but definitely not in the class of ARR. So, it doesn’t make any sense if you come here and force your superlative opinions about IR on us. We are obviously not going to accept them. If we did, then we would rather be IR fans instead of ARR fans.
You or other IR fans may feel that IR doesn’t need any of the success that Rahman got. That is perfectly fine. Yes, we are not going to accept it. But, that is how it is.
Whatever IR says in the media can be interpreted in any way. We feel they are not in good taste. You guys feel there is nothing wrong with it. In fact, it is not possible to be absolutely sure about his intentions. Athey maathiri than Srinivas sonnathum. One can’t be sure what he really had in mind when he made that statement. But, neenga ellaam unga threads la atha discuss panni avara kalaaikaliyaa? Athey maathiri thaan Ajaybaskar senjathum. I also did not like when Ajaybaskar brought the issue here. But, enna panrathu? It is his right.
Since this topic is on discussion here now, i would like to clear somethings with IR fans. What is it, that u guys keep saying A.R.Rahman is not good enough. I mean seriously, come on! He has given many many strong melodies, given good clean mass songs, good religious numbers, etc etc. When in 90s, many IR fans said " ARR songs wont be last longing. U wont be able to hear them 10 years later." Its been 20 years now, and just play Pudhu Velllai Malai from Roja, or Kannaku Mai Azhagu from Pudhiya Mugam and tell me, doesnt that melody still make ur eyes close and feel its quality? Or take "THee THee" and "Konjum Nilave" from Thiruda Thiruda, and tell me, its a pakka fast paced song, doesnt it still make u want to move along with it? ARR is never lower to IR anyday. If IR is superior to ARR, then ARR entrance into to TFM wouldnt be a huge success. Why didnt IR gave songs like Roja in 1992? Avaraley mudiyathethe thaaney? Even until now, i dont think IR could compose modern yet melodious songs like ARR. :)
I have no necessity to instill anything in anybody, neengaLe mudivu pannikkOnga. I just expressed my denial wrt those statements, thatsall.
What about this :huh: What does he imply by this? Idhu unga kannulaiye pattirukkadhey :lol:2
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இதற்குப் போய் நான் விண்ணப்பம் போட்டு...
‘ஐயா ஐயா இதைக் கேளுங்கள் நான் நன்றாக இசையமைத்திருக்கிறேன்’ என்று கேட்கவேண்டுமாக்கும்? அடப் போங்கய்யா!?
Pora idathula ellam raja mariyadhai kidaikkumbodhu appuram edhukku saar inga vandhu kuttha vachirukkeenga :huh:Quote:
Engalukku ennanga koraichal?!? POra idathula ellaam Raaja mariyaathai. Its not that NEPV at Raja's age of 70, but its NEPV an 1000+ th Film in Raja's Career, which is a Blockbuster Album which both critically and commercially won. It broke some so called audio records. Emoticon pottu aatraamaiyai hide panreenga pola!
Mudiyala to the core.. kushtam, chi kashtam :( Ella kelvikkum porumaiya bathil solliyum Ivangalukku puriyalai. Its of no use, you know!
I believe any ARR fan would understand my feelings. We have been living with it for the last 20 years and we may continue to live with it, god knows till when. For any unwarranted digs, ARR has replied in the best of ways known to him - climbing yet another step. I don't care about the lame and foolish remarks on ARR's achievements but I wanted to bring that to the notice of fellow hubbers here. That's why I posted it in the relevant thread. If Srinivas is not considered to be a qualified person to comment on IR, then similarly I would not consider IR to be qualified enough to comment on ARR.
I personally never jumped with anger, looking at srinivas' comment, instead i just laughed out loud! wrt the Non ARR part.
Danny Boyle loves AR Rahman's simplicity
British director Danny Boyle, who worked with AR Rahman in two of his movies, calls the Indian composer a "genius" and says he loves the fact that the musician is so simple despite his "extraordinary fame".
"Rahman is something of a genius. But he's also very simple and I love that quality about him. He's straightforward despite his almost extraordinary, supernatural fame! I feel extremely lucky to have worked with him twice," Boyle said on BIG CBS PRIME's "India's Prime Icon".
Rahman created music for Boyle's 2008 Oscar winning film Slumdog Millionaire, which also won the musician two golden statuettes.
Following its success, Rahman composed for the director's 127 Hours, for which he got two nominations for the Academy Awards.
The composer, also known as Mozart of Madras, has given Bollywood some of its most memorable melodies, including Taal se taal mila and Dil se re.
Rahman will feature on "India's Prime Icon", which shows works of popular icons of the country from different walks of life.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Books/...e1-957461.aspx