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P_R light-a racial tone eruku on clubbing mercenaries on colour :neutral: I say open the floodgates..enn entha preferential treatment on getting to choose..OZ had a ATG test team for the likes of Goodwin to get in may be if Eng had the same home grown talent on batting front then ECB would have least cared/bothered for SA/Ire/Zim players in realizing their test dreams or promoting Ire. ECB are just using these countries as a feeder system to paper over their teams cracks enbatha thaen query ;-) also with Morgon misfiring in tests would ECB allow/release him to play for his country in limited overs in lieu of promoting Ire cricket :mrgreen:

Oh Ippo amerikkava??. Rightu vidunga :wave:

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Originally Posted by wizzy

P_R light-a racial tone eruku on clubbing mercenaries on colour :neutral:

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? White people from the colonies have always flitted back and forth. It is a long tradition- is all I am saying. Which is why I don't find it odd. I am not saying England should allow only white player. ippo Philanderukku oru thambi irukkAn. avanukku SA-la saans kidaikkalainnA, pOtri paadhukaaththu aravaNaikka koodaadhunnu naan solluvEnA :lol2:

It is in that context that I wanted to understand if there are any Afrikaaners playing for Holland.
indha payyan thennAppirikkA pOla irukkE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_ten_Doeschate

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Originally Posted by wizzy

I say open the floodgates..enn entha preferential treatment on getting to choose..OZ had a ATG test team for the likes of Goodwin to get in may be if Eng had the same home grown talent on batting front then ECB would have least cared/bothered for SA/Ire/Zim players in realizing their test dreams or promoting Ire. ECB are just using these countries as a feeder system to paper over their teams cracks enbatha thaen query ;-) also with Morgon misfiring in tests would ECB allow/release him to play for his country in limited overs in lieu of promoting Ire cricket :mrgreen:

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Of course, who is denying this? Dorset-la nalla aattakkAran irundhA edhukku Durban-kaaranukku plane ticket edukka pOrAinga.

And now with immigration it is all the more the case. But people going from all over to England, does not strike me as odd. If Sanga had decided to settle in Eng after studies and play there (mind you he'd've played school cricket in SL, which is pretty big), I wouldn't've found that as odd either. i.e. even though SL is a test playing nation.

Cricket is merely reflecting what is happening is every field in such countries.

If India were to do it in the name of what you guys call 'level playing field' then it would seem very unnatural to me.

P_R appo Md.Amir/Asif/Owais Shah playing for India would be natural immigration I suppose and you have no qualms if Sanga plays for Eng however have issues with Goodwin playing for Pak :lol: does ECB spend monies on these mercenaries from their grass root level so they get to have the first pick over other countries..these mercenaries honed/learnt their trade thanks to their parent board...ethay cape maari thanatha India panna unnatural-a?..doesn't sound natural to me :sigh2: P.S appadiya appo Eng'landu yaar aadina unnatural-a erukkumunu solunga :mrgreen:

Feeyar - you are getting ridiculous and ridiculous. Who are you to define "natural immigration"? WTH is traditio? If India imports white fast bowlers for another 20 years, it will become a tradition by 2037. You are exposing yourself more and more as a closet Englishman by mentality. There is no difference between the unnatural immigration that horrors you even in thought and the kepmaarithanam(hattip wizzy) going on in England now. You are just like a blind Manchester United/Arsenal supporter inventing excuses for your club's behaviour( that should hurt, shouldn't it? )

Dialog in PP

Ivaar aadar (order) poduvaarama inthindha area-la ivvalavu ivvalo amount koduthiranumnu, naama adhai pollow pannanum!!! :rotfl2:.

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Originally Posted by Plum

Manchester United/Arsenal supporter

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appadinna enna? operation-A?

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Originally Posted by Plum

Who are you to define "natural immigration"?

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oru indhiya kudimagan. What seems natural to me solREn. What is there?

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Originally Posted by Plum

If India imports white fast bowlers for another 20 years, it will become a tradition by 2037.

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adhai neenga solradhukku munnAdiyE sollittEnE. You 'seek to build a new world'-nu. enakku pudikkAlai. If kind of developments (?!) is what it will lead to, then England will have to sadly put an end to the hallowed tradition of having players from everywhere come and play for England (just like people from everywhere take up jobs and settle down there now).

oru vELai indhiyA vallarasu aanappuRam, I may feel such things are natural. Certainly not now.
ippo nEpAlkaara gurkhA maadhiri naturalA irundhA right 'ngrEn. That's the limit I can conceive/.

But domestic airlines foreign pilot vachchukkuradhu illaiyA adhu maadhiri cricket paNNuvOm 'ngreenga. I understand, but I don't agree.

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There is no difference between the unnatural immigration that horrors you even in thought and the kepmaarithanam(hattip wizzy) going on in England now

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There is a whole world of a difference as I believe I have explained above.

What the devil that has got to do with the discussion here? :banghead:

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Originally Posted by P_R

America has an unfair economic advantage in that the cream from everywhere migrate there.
Harry Potter also same problem.

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Of course you wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by P_R

idhukku mEla kondhaLilkkiRadhukku edhuvumE illai.

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Australia kaaran Odhaipaan :lol2:
No sir. They are NOT. Commonwealth-nnu irundhaalum they are seperate COUNTRIES.

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Originally Posted by P_R

England, Scotland, Wales, white men from all over Africa, Australia, New Zealand ellAm oNNukkuLLa oNNu saar.
Does Holland have any Dutch SAfricans playing. I wouldn't be surprised and it wouldn't irk me either. Natural.

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P_R unga natural immigration logic padi nallaikae if Mallya/Kumble do a ECB by getting Gayle a job in B'lore/marry him to Tulu gal so he could play for Karnataka in Ranjis and as a domestic Indian player for RCB...would that be fair on other domestic/IPL teams?..Gayle like Morgan can also realize his test dreams by playing for India :-)

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Originally Posted by wizzy

P_R appo Md.Amir/Asif/Owais Shah playing for India would be natural immigration I suppose

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Owais Englishkaaran dhaanE (like Shahzad, Sajid Mehmood, Monty - illaiyA?)
Let me clarify it would be odd to 'steal' an international player. But to get someone in contention to sign-up not a problem.

This guy Anwar Ali, doesn't seem to be playing for Pakistan. Wouldn't you love it if he could play for India? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuvhZ7kbAzA
It wouldn't strike me as odd.

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Originally Posted by wizzy

you have no qualms if Sanga plays for Eng however have issues with Goodwin playing for Pak

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Not now yA. I meant, if Sanga had chosen to make his debut for England instead of SL, I wouldn't've found it odd.

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Originally Posted by wizzy

does ECB spend monies on these mercenaries from their grass root level so they get to have the first pick over other countries..

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Originally Posted by wizzy

these mercenaries honed/learnt their trade thanks to their parent board..

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These are all the good old brain-drain arguments.
I do see that, just like people chose to go to America and England, now cricketers may choose to come to India.

But you guys are not truly proposing that, are you? You are saying 'nobody should go and play for England'. That's your ideal preference.
If that is not happening then you want them to come and play for India too. Did I understand correctly?

I disagree. Cricket 'ngradhE oru paarambariyam dhaanungagaLE.

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Originally Posted by wizzy

Eng'landu yaar aadina unnatural-a erukkumunu solunga

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England-ku yaar aadinaalum unnaturalA irukkAdhu. Same for Aus or any developed country. namakku oru silarai thavira yaar aadinaalum odd-A irukkum.
konjam racistAvE solREnE..oru veLLaikaaranai thiduthippunnu India-ku kootti vandhu, ivan dhaan unga opening bowler-nu sonnA semma comedy-A irukkum :lol:

btw as I write this I realized the much talked about 'Sonia is a foreigner' issue is a complete non-matter to me. I even find it quite contemptible that such a thing was made an issue at all. enakkE indha contradictionukku badhil theriyalai.

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Originally Posted by ajithfederer

What the devil that has got to do with the discussion here? :banghead:

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andha angle-lErndhu konjam sindhichchu paarunga. Cricketers from the colonies have always gone to try their luck playing for England. What's new about that?

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Originally Posted by ajithfederer

Australia kaaran Odhaipaan :lol2:
No sir. They are NOT. Commonwealth-nnu irundhaalum they are seperate COUNTRIES.

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Born in Melbourne. Studied in Auckland, College in England. First job in Wales, second in Perth - idhellAm sarva sagajam dhaanE.
I see cricket as an extension of that.

Just to be clear, I'd say the same for Eng players playing in Aus, NZ etc. Or even if an Eng player goes on to play for SA (I can hear you say 'nadandhuttaalum' :lol:)
Darren Pattinson played for England. His brother James plays for Australia. It's not a thing of the past. avinga ellAm appadi thaan

Like Goodwin went to Aus. Neil Johnson left Zim to play for SA. I'd feel odd if England had procured them after they had become established international cricketers.
But providing England team as an option to new players everywhere, I don't feel odd about that.

If anything, the only people who should be upset are the guardians of local English talent. 'Those immigrants come here and take our jobs' :lol2:

Neenga ellAm kondhaLikkiradhu vaarisu arasiyalai edhirkkiravanga, 'party seniors, grassroots-lErndhu vandhavanga' paththi ellAm urugura maadhiri irukku. namakku edhukku andha kavalai ellAm?

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P_R unga natural immigration logic padi nallaikae if Mallya/Kumble do a ECB by getting Gayle a job in B'lore/marry him to Tulu gal so he could play for Karnataka in Ranjis and as a domestic Indian player for RCB...would that be fair on other domestic/IPL teams?..Gayle like Morgan can also realize his test dreams by playing for India :-)

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I think I gave a sweeping generalization in my last response to you. I think the lines of disagreement can't get clearer than that.
To answer this question, yes, this would be odd

Me: namma kudumbaththula appadi oru vazhakkamE kidaiyAdhE
Wizzy: vazhakkappaduththikkaNum
Me: oNNiyum vENaam 'ngREn
Flau: adhai solradhukku nee yaar..koo yaar yoo? :x
Me: oru nala virumbi
Feddy: dei dei dei...nee yaarnu enakku theriyin, naan yaarnu unakku theriyin...naama ellArum yaarunnu indha oorukkE theriyin
Paramu: :roll:

Dear Sir, In Cricket, the money is iN india. Cricketers now seek to come to India to make money. By your own logic, we are the First World in Cricket now. So, sir, please wake up and smell the coffeee - not only are you being ridiculously racist but also going off the logical path. Englandla money irukku, colony kaaran pORAn, aduRAn = Indiala money irukku, cricketer inge varrAn, nambalKi AAduRAn.

Your logical faculties have deserted you.

At the best you can say that your racist mind doesnt accept the new order. There is absolutely zero logic and nyaayam dharmam in your stance

And on top of it, England pretend as if they are the guardian of spirit of Cricket, mcdowell of cricket etc. modhalla "England are evil; it is just that I find it natural"-nu imposition ezhudhunga, appuRamA pEsalAm. innikku varaikkin BCCI aLAvukku ECB-ai thitti irukkIngaLA? ECB who are preventing Ireland from playing test cricket? BCCI patththi endha rumour vandhAlum nabma veNdiyadhu. ECBku clean chit kodukkaRadhu. Like Punjabis who are born White-skin-racists, you seem to be an English racist happened to born in India

Racist mind-A?
enakku therinja varaikkin Racism means saying Race A is better than Race B
Where am I saying anything like that?

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Originally Posted by Plum

doesnt accept the new order

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idhu neenga enna solradhu.
naan dhaan Muralidharan kaalathulayE idhai sollittEnE.

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Originally Posted by P_R

England-ku yaar aadinaalum unnaturalA irukkAdhu. Same for Aus or any developed country. namakku oru silarai thavira yaar aadinaalum odd-A irukkum.konjam racistAvE solREnE..oru veLLaikaaranai thiduthippunnu India-ku kootti vandhu, ivan dhaan unga opening bowler-nu sonnA semma comedy-A irukkum :lol:

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good..appo naanga eppadi naturalize avrathu? White koodathu/Black'um serthuka koodathuna eppadi :lol2: so only option is for BCCI to conduct a Pravasi Bharatiya Divas and call all the peeps of Indian orgin from Guyana/Trinidad/Pak :huh:

Saying that white people playing for black countries is unnatural and vice versa is natural is also racist. if you are basing it on economoc criteria instead, then as i pointed out, India HAS the money in Cricket so per your own logic, it is natural for us to attract the anglo saxons here and get them to play for us. But one thing - if one or two such cases happen, ECB will get the rule changed in ICC - adhu dhaan their naadhari thanam, Looks like you are well in sync with that mentality, what to say?

Can we recruit Zadran Kapoor(or some name like that) from Afghanistan? adhu naturalA irukkumO ungaLukku? Arent you ashamed of your race-based view of this?

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Originally Posted by Plum

innikku varaikkin BCCI aLAvukku ECB-ai thitti irukkIngaLA?

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BCCI-ai evvaLavu thitti irukkEn?
IPL-kaaga thitti iruppEn, because you know I hate the damn thing. idhukkum neenga political saayam poosalaam, oNNum solradhukku illai.
And the way it has gotten all boards to accommodate this window - yes adhai thitti iruppEn.
Would have criticized their schedule-packing, venues - idhellAm sagajam dhaanE.

Chester-le-Street-la match vaikkalainnu ECB mEla ellAm enakku kOvam varaadhu. adhu vEra relationship/expectation saar.

Gemini: Ramasamy poNdaattikkum unakkum ennadA sammandham
kaaLing: avaLukkum ava purusanukkumE sammandham illeenga

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ECB who are preventing Ireland from playing test cricket?

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appadinnu neenga thiruppi thiruppi solreenga. yEdhAvadhu imbramEsanOda ezhudhinA padikkavAchchum seyyalaam.
I made some points about why I find it bizzare that you expect Ireland to be considered for tests now. You can consider responding to them.

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Originally Posted by Plum

modhalla "England are evil; it is just that I find it natural"-nu imposition ezhudhunga, appuRamA pEsalAm.

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oh adhukku appuRam dhaan pEchchu vArthaiyE nadaththa mudiyumA? appo kashtam dhaan.

I've told you a zillion times that, after discussions here I am more aware of Eng-Aus players getting away lightly from match referees for offences that Asians are docked more heavily for.
If I find something convincing and persuasive I do agree. If you can't even acknowledge that and perpetually start from zero when discussing this with me.
That apart I don't buy most of your conspiracy theories. 'Since, apart from KP others can play switch hit, now evil ECB has twisted ICC to scrap it' type reasoning is what I see in them.

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Originally Posted by wizzy

good..appo naanga eppadi naturalize avrathu? White koodathu/Black'um serthuka koodathuna eppadi :lol2: so only option is for BCCI to conduct a Pravasi Bharatiya Divas and call all the peeps of Indian orgin from Guyana/Trinidad/Pak :huh:

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adhuvum koodaadhu :lol:

As I said, IndhiyA vallarasu aanappuRam niRaiya pEr naturalA inga vandhu vElai pArppAnga. Korea-lErndhu koththanAr, Senegal-lErndhu siththaaLu, moldova-lErndhu mEsthri-nu. appadi irukkumbOdhu oru mixed team eduththA enakku 'unnatural-A irukkAdhu.

I am totally aware that I am sounding facetious. But I think it is a fairly simple point I am making.

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Originally Posted by Plum

Saying that white people playing for black countries is unnatural and vice versa is natural is also racist.

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Oh ippadiyAppatta vishayangaLai dhaan ivvaLavu naaL racisaumnu sollikittu irundheenga. konjam pugai moottam vilagina maadhiri irukku.

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if you are basing it on economoc criteria instead, then as i pointed out, India HAS the money in Cricket so per your own logic, it is natural for us to attract the anglo saxons here and get them to play for us.

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Yes I mean economic criteria. But not just exclusively in cricket.

See if Indian population was itself racially diverse and international, it would not be odd to have Indian cricket team to be like that.
But to have the Indian team be more international before such a thing is the case in India, atleast urban India, it would seem odd to me.

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But one thing - if one or two such cases happen, ECB will get the rule changed in ICC - adhu dhaan their naadhari thanam,

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I am not sure if that will happen. But if it does, you can count on my applause, first as an Indian cricket fan.

You are avoiding key questions. How can one have a reasonable discussion with you? Raise pandra pointai ellam "adhu dhaane natural order"-nu mazhuppa vENdiyadhu :huh: appuRam epdi nAnga solRadhu ungaLukku puriyum? Your defence mecahnism is preventing you from seeing anything that ECB does as wrong - ipdillAm racist argument vechu justify paNNa vENdi irundhAlum paNDringa appuRam unga kitta ennathtah discussion? NeengallAM Englandla irukka vENdiyavanga..

P_r unmaya sollu(nga). Ivanuga evvalavu adichaalum thaanguvanuga-ngra dhairyathula thaane ippdi pesaringa. Vera forum aa irundha inneram ummai Boli potirupaanga. :lol:

Again and again, you are being dishonest and tryng to discredit my views with some clever verbal gymnastics. Sorry you are failing miserably. Cricketla ingE money irukku varrAn. maththa ellathulaiyum ingE money irundhu vandhA dhAn adhu naturalAmAm. epdiyellAm you are strething the definition of "natural"? Cant you see that these are all defence mechanism from your mind?

Where there are opportunities and money, humans seek that path. If that path leads an Englishman to India, and become an Indian test cricketer, it is as natural for a human being as natural can be. By pre-emptively calling it unnatural, you are creating a defence for your position, nothing more, nothing less. This is clearly a product of an anglophile mind designed to see nothing wrong with his "English masters". You have to seriously examine your mind for colonial prejudice.

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Originally Posted by Plum

Can we recruit Zadran Kapoor(or some name like that) from Afghanistan? adhu naturalA irukkumO ungaLukku? Arent you ashamed of your race-based view of this?

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Ashamed-A?

You are refusing to get a simple point I am making.
Forget cricket for a moment. It is quite natural to expect many SAfricans to work in England. Certainly more natural than expecting a Afghani to work in India, right?
All I am asking is for that sense of proportion and talk about this debate.

Now you can fairly say, SAfricans are overrepresented in the Eng team. I am not getting mathematical here. That way a single NewZelander working in India could 'justify' picking a Kiwi in the Indian team. But overrepresentation is their uLnAttu vivagaaram. It is for the Sussexians and Essexians to say, 'hey how come you don't pick our lads and instead pick these Saffers?'. I don't have much of a debate about that.

Now if the said Afghan plays for Pakistan it wouldn't seem odd.
Similarly if a Bangladeshi plays for India, it would be perfectly natural.

idhula enga superiority-inferiority. A mere observation of the composition of the population - avvaLo dhaanE.
idhukku edhukku ivvaLavu tungsten?

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P_r unmaya sollu(nga). Ivanuga evvalavu adichaalum thaanguvanuga-ngra dhairyathula thaane ippdi pesaringa. Vera forum aa irundha inneram ummai Boli potirupaanga. :lol:

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I really don't understand man.
England has ALWAYS had players from everywhere. It's not something that happened yesterday. Why are they suddenly wrong in doing so?
It seems completely bizzare that you are refusing to acknowledge this is a process that's been always going on (forger cricket, I mean as a society). That is not at all a case in India.

It is a fairly innocuous point I am making.
nEsam pudhusu Sangili Murugan maadhiri feel paNREn/

@P_R playing peeps of Indian origin'um koodatha :lol: confuse pannreenga my lord...to reiterate I have no issues with Ravi Bopara/Monty playing for Eng ;-) What yam against is the likes of Trott/KP who have nothing in common with Eng culture and they even speak with Africans accent :lol: ended up represented Eng by taking advantage of visa rules..ethula enga naturalize/first world/multiculturalism logic eruku?

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Again and again, you are being dishonest and tryng to discredit my views with some clever verbal gymnastics. Sorry you are failing miserably. Cricketla ingE money irukku varrAn. maththa ellathulaiyum ingE money irundhu vandhA dhAn adhu naturalAmAm. epdiyellAm you are strething the definition of "natural"? Cant you see that these are all defence mechanism from your mind?

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England team England society maadhiri irukkaNum. Or atleast a variation of it, which isn't too skewed.
Same for India.
That's all my Lord.

Natural-ngra oru vaarththaiyai eduththukittu neenga remba overcomplicate paNreenga.

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This is clearly a product of an anglophile mind designed to see nothing wrong with his "English masters". You have to seriously examine your mind for colonial prejudice.

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Lobotomy varaikkin pOyAchchA.
btw Ireland eppadi test status-ku thagudhiyAna team, adhai eppadi Britis iLavarasar Charles sadhi paNNi thadukkuRaar 'ngra tea innum varalai.

Kanungala

Intha pAzha pOna Cricket ah vititu Pootbaal thread pakkam vanga! Flau Come support the Nazis over the victorians in th Euro Championship!

Chelsea Ozhiga :x

Ivvalavu naal ninga appadi than pannitu irundhinga. Vaasthavam dhaan. Naan illainnu sollala. Now whether that is right or wrong is whole another issue. But all these days you guys have been abysmal and now you guys are starting to get better. Now suddenly everybody gets a wake up call and when they see the reason for your team's better performance it's mostly the Saffers who stand out.

Another sub-issue in that is the regularity in picking up players and the composition of your team. There are at-least 4/5 foreign players in your Main XI. Ungalukku appadi theriyama irukkalam but for outsiders that is a stark difference. Secondly what seemed to be a random habit in the past now it has become a regular habit (sports recruiting) and now it definitely seems very odd and concerning to other countries.

And now to the main and the obvious issue is Eng team recruiting from everywhere now has become a problem for other countries.
(i) Why because other countries are not allowed to do the same.
(II) Other countries are obviously in a handicap because of (i) and playing against good players from multiple countries is obviously a disadvantage/

You seem to quite obviously discard the above reasons which is a shock.

However, I expect this issue to snow ball in the coming years. Appo paakalam what does ICC, ECB and CA(the unholy trinity) conspire then?

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Originally Posted by wizzy

Trott/KP who have nothing in common with Eng culture and they even speak with Africans accent :lol: ended up represented Eng by taking advantage of visa rules..ethula enga naturalize/first world/multiculturalism logic eruku?

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England-la niRaiya pEr avaingaLai maadhiri iruppAinga illaiyA?
I had a hard time getting myself understood in some restaurants once when I was in England. Many of the waiters are from Eastern European countries. So much English in England!
naaLaikkE oru Berbatov, Stoichkov who have nothing to do with English culture may play for England. Why are we bothering about that? It is the maNNin maindhargaL who should bother about that. uLLoor sivasEna prachchanai adhu.

avinga team avinga oor maadhiri irukku. adhai paarththu vambadiyA naama soodu pOttukka koodaadhu. That is all I am saying.

idhai sonnA Flau kaNdabadi thittaraar.

Ashes 2005 : Enna dhan flintoff MOS naalum Pietersen illaina ninga adhai jeichirukka mudiyadhu :bow:.

Avanga oor karanuga edhukku kekka poraanga?. As long as their team is winning they wouldn't give two hoots about it.

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Originally Posted by P_R

naaLaikkE oru Berbatov, Stoichkov who have nothing to do with English culture may play for England. Why are we bothering about that? It is the maNNin maindhargaL who should bother about that. uLLoor sivasEna prachchanai adhu.

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Now suddenly everybody gets a wake up call and when they see the reason for your team's better performance it's mostly the Saffers who stand out.

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Oh idhu Murali-yai yEn edhirkkuraanga 'nRa maadhiri. Principle becomes problematic only when it is successful.
yEdhO anga inga aaL eduththu thOththukittu irundheenga okay. ennadhu idhu naansens maadhiri jeyikkira pazhakkam. enna aniyAyam idhu :lol2:

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Secondly what seemed to be a random habit in the past now it has become a regular habit (sports recruiting) and now it definitely seems very odd and concerning to other countries.

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Point taken.

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(i) Why because other countries are not allowed to do the same.

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Here too I am not arguing with this at all.
Let me ask a simple qn: how would you feel about an Indian team that a had a Kiwi, Saffer, Aussie and WIndian?
You, Plum and wizzy seem to consider it absolutely no different from a mixed bag England team. Or do you perceive a difference at some visceral level but still feel it is only fair that India should have that option, given England has.

If it is the latter I atleast have an understanding of what you are saying. The former is frankly quite bewildering to me.

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(II) Other countries are obviously in a handicap because of (i) and playing against good players from multiple countries is obviously a disadvantage

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This I substantially discount. Atleast until they recruit a Lankan who can play spin :-) I don't think there are new skills that have been added to the English arsenal (if such a thing can be defined across players in the first place) which owe to such international recruitment.

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Originally Posted by P_R

England-la niRaiya pEr avaingaLai maadhiri iruppAinga illaiyA?
I had a hard time getting myself understood in some restaurants once when I was in England. Many of the waiters are from Eastern European countries. So much English in England!
naaLaikkE oru Berbatov, Stoichkov who have nothing to do with English culture may play for England. Why are we bothering about that? It is the maNNin maindhargaL who should bother about that. uLLoor sivasEna prachchanai adhu.

avinga team avinga oor maadhiri irukku. adhai paarththu vambadiyA naama soodu pOttukka koodaadhu. That is all I am saying.

idhai sonnA Flau kaNdabadi thittaraar.

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Saar as a cricket fanatic/custodian of the game naan ketpaen :-) ..it makes a mockery of the sport..comparing a guy working in a restaurant to make ends meet /playing for a country is a bad analogy...things can turn sore if peeps switch sides at a push of a button..quoting Vaughan when the spotlight was on Trott.

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Vaughan claimed he saw the South Africa-born Trott, who has been included in the England party to tour South Africa this winter, congratulating the opposition after their win at Edgbaston which sealed a series victory in Vaughan's final Test.

Writing in his new autobiography, Time to Declare, Vaughan said: "It was a sad day for English cricket that on my last day against South Africa I saw Jonathan Trott celebrating with South Africa, when the week before he had been our 12th man at Headingley.

"I was going into the press conference and I saw him patting them on the back. It hit home what English cricket has become like."

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and this takes the cake :lol2:

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"I suppose you might wish Trott was a bit more English, but after such a brilliant debut it appeared we had found another high-quality batsman."

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Originally Posted by ajithfederer

Avanga oor karanuga edhukku kekka poraanga?. As long as their team is winning they wouldn't give two hoots about it.

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Operative word.
I would stop feeling close to an Indian team (yERkanavE romba suththam) composed of a battery of imported foreigners.
Perhaps Plum can appreciate those wins.

It'll be fun if I think about it. A full white Indian team defeating a full brown English team and Plum celebrating. :lol:

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Originally Posted by wizzy

Saar as a cricket fanatic/custodian of the game naan ketpaen :-) ..it makes a mockery of the sport..comparing a guy working in a restaurant to make ends meet /playing for a country is a bad analogy...

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adhaavadhu restaurant-la vElai pAkkalaam aanaa cricket viLayAduravan uLLoorkaaranA dhaan irukkaNumndreenga.

ennaiyE racist 'ngraar. neenga paavam saar.

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Originally Posted by wizzy

things can turn sore if peeps switch sides at a push of a button..quoting Vaughan when the spotlight was on Trott.

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idhellAm exaggeration. Warne wasn't tough on KP as they were country friends 'ngra mAdhiri kooda sonnAinga.

1. Naan solrardhu vera ninga puriknjukaradhu vera. Vidunga.

2. Happada oru point aavadhu othukittaruba.

3. I would feel odd but do you think BCCI would care as long as they bring Trophies. Again my point is What Eng are doing may drive other countries to do the same which is not good for the sport.

4. Yenga 2 different domestic circuits, conditions vera, velayadura batsman vera. SA fielding oru example aa eduthukonga. You guys leave others at a definite handicap.

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Originally Posted by P_R

Oh idhu Murali-yai yEn edhirkkuraanga 'nRa maadhiri. Principle becomes problematic only when it is successful.
yEdhO anga inga aaL eduththu thOththukittu irundheenga okay. ennadhu idhu naansens maadhiri jeyikkira pazhakkam. enna aniyAyam idhu :lol2:


Point taken.


Here too I am not arguing with this at all.
Let me ask a simple qn: how would you feel about an Indian team that a had a Kiwi, Saffer, Aussie and WIndian?
You, Plum and wizzy seem to consider it absolutely no different from a mixed bag England team. Or do you perceive a difference at some visceral level but still feel it is only fair that India should have that option, given England has.

If it is the latter I atleast have an understanding of what you are saying. The former is frankly quite bewildering to me.

This I substantially discount. Atleast until they recruit a Lankan who can play spin :-) I don't think there are new skills that have been added to the English arsenal (if such a thing can be defined across players in the first place) which owe to such international recruitment.

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P_R w.r.t identity you can't compare a sportsmen who represents a country to a blue color whose sole motive is to earn as much whilst he could and leave the country even at the first sight trouble to his livelihood.