I expected this, Sureshji :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sureshs65
Possibly Plum has the same opinion as well... has the 'lalitha' song been already covered in the "IR's Telugu songs - lyrics" thread?
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I expected this, Sureshji :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sureshs65
Possibly Plum has the same opinion as well... has the 'lalitha' song been already covered in the "IR's Telugu songs - lyrics" thread?
That's interesting info :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by al_gates
BTW, MDV was with Railways per my memory...it's possible she switched jobs...
I'll check out the video link at home (cannot open here)...
Yes, sir!Quote:
Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN
All the four songs covered so far in the year 1988 are from "remake / dub" kind of movies. And there're more 'kalaichchelvangaL' to come...
Hmm, I thought so :)Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
Annan's comedy sequence looked very odd in this movie! Probably one of the worst sequence for Annan :(
#269 புஞ்சை (புன்செய்) உண்டு நஞ்சை (நன்செய்) உண்டு
(உன்னால் முடியும் தம்பி, 1988 )
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...px-Sorghum.jpg This wikipedia link on pun-sey is a good read for any who have questions about what are these terms 'punjai' & 'nanjai' that the song talks about. Decades back, it was understood that any average TN-er knows the meanings of these terms (and so the song has no problems referring to them in the first line).
In this age of 'why this kolaveRi', 'asku laskA', 'heart-ilE battery', I won't be surprised if most TN-ers do not understand the meaning of these words. Which is why I start this post with the wikipedia link that talks about the grains that could grow in TN using just the sparse rain water. These give excellent nutrients despite needing less resources to grow.
In my appA's village, both kinds of cultivation were in vogue during my childhood and they very rarely ate nelluchchOru. If at all they had it, it was from 'kaikkuRRal' (and typically 'pachcha nelluchchOru' and very rarely 'puzhungal arisi'). Typically it was chOLam / kambu / varagu / kuthiraivAli, all punjai grains and the diet kept them really healthy till advanced age as per my observation (i.e. those who didn't get into alcohol and other vices). That too without any kind of "advanced healthcare support" as in the case of U.S. / Canada:-)
(When I attended the funeral of my Detroit friend's mom -85- yesterday, the thought of my dad's eldest sis who passed away last year came to mind. They didn't even have the record of her DOB and so 'estimated' the age to around 90! She was working in the field till a couple of years before her death :shock: And without any scheduled visits to doc's office and other paraphernalia! Definitely something to think about!)
This song ofcourse, is quite a joy ride - with excellent percussion work and enthusiastic singing by SPB. So is the scene on screen where KH is full of energy! (I really loved that character in the movie who plants trees - there are people whom I've come across like him in real life and they're definitely among my "heroes" list!)
App anna
What does Punjai and Nanjai mean ? :roll:
From the wikipedia article that I linked in that post :Quote:
Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN
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நமது முன்னோர்கள், பயிர் வகைகளை தொன்று தொட்டு, நன்செய், புன்செய் என்ற இரு பெரும் பிரிவுகளாக பிரித்து வைத்துள்ளனர். அவை இன்றளவும் வழக்கத்தில் உண்டு.
பொதுவாக நீர் அதிகம் தேவைப்படும் பயிர்களுக்கு நன்செய் என்றும், மானாவரி அல்லது குறைந்த நீர் தேவையுள்ள பயிர்களுக்கு புன்செய் பயிர்கள் என்றும் பாகுபடுத்தியுள்ளனர்
App - lalitha priya kamalam by jesu anna. You guessed right. Jesu anna walks away with honours inspite of much more effort and expressions by Balu. Good idea for suresh/vishnubotla to pick the song for the telugu lyrics thread :thumbsup:
Thanks :)Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
There was one Carnatic based song in UMT by KJY, I can not recall it! I guess it was for Gemini Ganeshan. I can only remember "unaal mudiyum thambi thambi" (highly motivating song), "punjai onu nanjai undu" and the Highly Expressive "enna samayalO" by SPB+KSC!
Param , i think you are referring to Nee Ondru Thaan Bilahari which is sung by KJY
http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer...3'&lang=en
App - Great posts as usual. Special thanks for the raga details of Idhazhil Kadhai Ezhudum song, invaluable info. Never knew that UMT was a remake but I liked that movie mostly. Performances of Gemini and Kamal were really good and of course the songs & music were superb. Need to hear Rudraveena songs now.
nanRi rajkumarc!
unga 'Special thanks for the raga details' should actually go to the jAmbavAns of tfmpage (from where I simbly did ctrl-c/ctrl-v) :-)
Great going App Sir :clap:
Such wonderful posts, flawlessly ... Its saddening that the number of songs are decreasing, soon will be reaching the 90's...
But enjoying your posts & songs for now. Nandrigal pala ungalukku App. :)
That's the one, thank you very much :)Quote:
Originally Posted by skr
app,
No we didn't cover the Lalitha song in the lyrics thread. I don't think those lyrics can be translated!!!
Was UMT a remake of Rudraveena ? If so, didn't SPB get a National award for one of the songs in this movie?
nanRi, Divine22, for the kind words!
neenga sonnA sariyAththAn irukkum!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sureshs65
Yes, it was a remake of rudraveeNA!Quote:
Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN
Also yes, SPB got NA for 'cheppAlani undi'
Thanks anna :)Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
My knowledge of telugu is Zero, though I am a Shankaraparanam fanatic due to SPB sir and KVM sir
what is 'cheppAlani undi' version in tamil ?
It isn't there in Tamil faram. It is a sort of vasana-kavidhai. Written by Sri Sri, a telugu poet of the order of Bharathiyaar per their history. The lyrics are inspirational and situationally apt. Burning with passion and grit. I had completely forgotten the song until app quoted it today :shock:. Chiru bhai used it as his (now deceased) party's anthem.
Oh Thanks Flau annEh :oops: :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
#270 உன்னால் முடியும் தம்பி தம்பி
(உன்னால் முடியும் தம்பி, 1988)
The movie's title was inspired by the motivational articles of Dr M S Udhayamoorthi (& accordingly the hero got his name). Nice, motivational song - neatly sung by SPB. The lyricist is Pulamaippiththan. Dr MSU talks about the movie in this interview, possibly by thenRal magazine that came in 2010.
I'm copy-pasting the key portion here :
--quote--
கே: ‘உன்னால் முடியும் தம்பி’ என்ற பெயரில் உங்களை கௌரவிக்கும் விதமாக கே.
பாலசந்தர் திரைப்படம் எடுத்தது குறித்து…
ப: பாலசந்தர் என் நீண்ட நாள் நண்பர். என் எழுத்தின் மீதும், காரியங்கள் மீதும் மதிப்புடையவர். அந்த மதிப்பினால் நான் எவற்றுக்காகப் பாடுபட்டுக் கொண்டிருந்தேனோ அவற்றை மையமாக வைத்து அந்தத் திரைப்படத்தை எடுத்திருந்தார். கதாநாயகனுக்குக் கூட என் பெயர்தான். எனக்கு அது குறித்துக் கடிதம் எழுதியிருந்தார். இதெல்லாம் எதற்கு என்று அவரிடம் நான் சொன்னேன். எல்லாம் உங்கள் மீது கொண்ட அன்பினால்தான் என்றார். அதிலும் புலமைப்பித்தன் ரொம்ப அற்புதமாக பாடல்களை எழுதியிருந்தார். “உன்னால் முடியும் தம்பி, தம்பி; உனக்குள் இருக்கும் உன்னை நம்பி…” என்று. நமக்குள் இருக்கும் ஆற்றலை நாம் உணர வேண்டும். அதுதான் முக்கியம். நம் இதயத்துள் கடவுள் இருக்கிறார். அவரைப் பார்க்க முடியும், பேச முடியும், உணர முடியும். அவர் நம்முள் இருப்பதை நாம் உணர வேண்டும். அந்தக் காலத்தில் அதற்கான பயிற்சி முறைகள், வேதம், தியானம் என்று எல்லாம் இருந்தது. அதையெல்லாம் உணராமல், சும்மா உன்னால் முடியும், முடியும் என்று சொல்லிக் கொண்டிருப்பதால் ஒன்றும் பயனில்லை. ராமகிருஷ்ண மடத்துக்கு எதிரே “அண்ணா” என்று ஒருவர் இருந்தார். மிகுந்த கெட்டிக்காரர். புத்திசாலி. தமிழ், சம்ஸ்கிருத இரண்டிலும் பெரிய புலமை மிக்கவர். எதுகுறித்துக் கேட்டாலும் விளக்கம் சொல்லும் அளவுக்கு திறமைசாலி. அவரது நூல்களையெல்லாம் வாங்கிப் படித்தால் பலவிஷயங்களை நாம் தெரிந்து கொள்ளலாம் என்று புலமைப்பித்தனிடம் சொன்னேன். ´
--end of quote--
The interview's conclusion talks about age showing up in Dr MSU's case, those who are close to him (or close to the "makkaL sakthi iyakkam") may know about the current status (I could not find out by googling, his wiki page is in "deleted" state...)
I think it is the wish of every TN-er that people in power in the central gov of India take up 'nadhi neer iNaippu' seriously...
App,
Excellent songs in Paadum Paravaigal and Unnaal mudiyum Thambi. However, I too could not associate UMT as a remake at the time of release.
First reason, it was by KB and I don't think he has done 'remakes', from his own films, has he?. Also, I think he never did remakes from other directors films too, right?
Another reason is, we knew it was based on a real story of Dr MSU who is a tamilian. So we were damn sure, it was an original thamizh film. Only when Rudraveena got the NA award, we believed it was true. I have not watched Rudraveena, so not sure how the story fitted to their mileu and also were wondering whose real story KB took to do this film in telugu?
Just like Yesudas was way better in 'Thoongaatha Vizhigal Rendu' compared to SPB in Gharshana, here SPB sounded better compared to Yesudas in 'Idhazil Kathai Ezhudhum' (IMHO). :wink:
Here is KB's Filmography . I too don't think he did many remakes "into" Thamizh...UMT too may not be a 100% remake of rudraveeNA but Plum / Sureshji may know better.Quote:
Originally Posted by V_S
BTW, Ek tujE kE liyE was a remake of marO charithrA I think. (And marO charithrA had some scenes from moonRu mudichchu I think). So, KB's case may be like the case of IR (porting of some songs here and there across languages but often modifying / fitting into the local mileau)...
KB remade "chilakamma cheppindi" into "Nizhal Nijamaagiradhu".
His production house has remade a lot of amitabh movies for rajini..
App & Jai,
So, KB remade only three films in his whole list of films as a director? I remember Ek Tujhe KE LiyE, but good info on Nizhal Nijamaagirathu, I didn't know about it. Thanks. Also, if it is not a scene-to-scene remake, then it make sense and it cannot be atleast for UMT.
Ek Tujhe Ke Liye does not qualify to be on the list becaue it was remake of his own Maro Charithra. But I did notice another remake in the list..Thillu Mullu remake of Golmaal... (Even though the Tamil version is good, Hrishikesh Mukherjee version is close to my heart).Quote:
Originally Posted by V_S
Nizhal Nijamaagirathu is another favourite of mine. I did not know it is a Telugu remake and Rajini did the lead role in Telugu. I wish Rajini did the Tamil version also.
I think UMT 80% remake and 20% original. IIRC, I read is Kumudam/AV in those days, the climax in UMT was Kamal's idea/insistence. Generally Socialist/Communist theme movies did not do well in TN, as they did in AP. (I do not think anyone is making them any more).
போறபோக்கப் பார்த்தால் இன்னும் பத்து இருபது வருடங்கள் கழித்து சந்திரமுகி ஆப்தமித்ரா-விலிருந்து ரீமேக் செய்யப்பட்டதுன்னு சொல்லப் போறான் விக்கி!
கே.எஸ்.சேதுமாதவனின் "Adimakal" என்ற மலையாளப் படமே தமிழில் நிழல் நிஜமாகியது.
பார்க்க டைட்டில் @0.41-0.45
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7iXlXxkWUw
Thanks genesis for reminding me Thillu mullu. venkki that was a good catch on Nizhal nizamaagiradhu. Thanks. Coming to the original discussion, I was having doubt regarding KB's remake of his own films, as UMT story line was based on a person who lives in TN. Curious to know how did he first carryout this in Telugu? When Rudraveena was made, did he have Dr. Udhayamoorthy in his mind? or while remaking in Thamizh, he changed the script? Also it seems the climax in UMT is not there in telugu? Because Ek Tujhe KE LiyE storyline is love, not about any real person, so changing the location or actors with the same story line can be appreciated and accepted overall. But here, it is non-trivial, that's why my doubt.
V_S,
1. this is late, but that was a superb writeup. Kalakittingga.
2. Same questions about Rudraveena.
app, can you do one thing, please pat your own back on my behalf. Carefully, don't twist your arm.
V_S,
I don't think UMT storyline has any direct relevance to the "life-history" of Dr MSU.
It's basically the tussle between a dad & son in a musical family, IMO. (And the son's interest with a girl of different social status / family of different social ideas etc).
I'm not sure whether all of MSU's major philosophies got featured in Telugu (in the above setup). OTOH, UMT had them placed inside - motivational 'unnAl mudiyum' & pasumai to be specific. (I'm not very sure whether MSU is known for being vocal about "social equality" stuff, which gets more weightage in the movie, than "motivation / pasumai" stuff).
nanRi, groucho:-)
Was feeling a little bit low today (nothing serious)...unga thattikkoduththal is a great tonic :-)
K. Balachander's PUNNAGAI (1971) was a remake of Hrishikesh Mukherjee's Hindi fim SATYAKAM (1969).Quote:
Originally Posted by V_S
VARUMAIYIN NIRAM SIVAPPU was remade by KB as ZARA SI ZINADI
APROORVA RAAGANGAL was remade as EK NAYI PAHELI
Well, almost every movie that KB did in late 70s / early 80s has a Telugu counterpart. You can't call it a remake really because I think they shot the movie simultaneously!!! You will generally have the hero / heroine the same but many character actors would differ. 'avargal' is such an example. There were many of his other films which got dubbed directly in Telugu.
Anthuleni Katha - Aval oru thodargadhai; Aaina - Arangetram: Ek nai paheli - Apoorva Raagangal; Zara Si Zindagi - Varumayin NiRam; and then punnagai, neerkumizhi(remake of Hrishida movie again); ippadi palappala. Besides, the kudigaarargaLai thiruthum episode in Rudra Veena is from now-famous Anna Hazare's life. Model village iLaignan also Hazare inspiration. Hazare was potti seidhi in 16th page then. Today he is 24/7 news channel staple.
Thank you grouch for your compliments :D
App, Yes, UMT story was not based on Dr. UM's personal life, atleast, as you said it was based on his social ideas and they showcased few clean villages as his contribution. I was only asking how KB did this in telugu with who's name or ideas, or it was just a fictional character in telugu? Plum confirmed it now.
Thanks guys, it seems quite a lot of of his own films got remade in other languages. That clears my doubt on remakes.
#271 அக்கம் பக்கம் பாருடா சின்ன ராசா
(உன்னால் முடியும் தம்பி, 1988 )
KB's early 80's movies had some strong political-commentary themes (compared to his family dramas that occasionally had some spicy social commentary stuff in the prior decades). It probably started with VNS that talked strongly about the problem of unemployment followed by thaNNeer thaNNeer based on Komal Swaminathan's play which had hard-hitting political commentary. achchamillai achchamillai , another "politics" movie, too happened during this time period. Ofcourse, he had his "women's lib" social commentary all along (regardless of whether the movie theme was politics or otherwise).
UMT was possibly the most balanced combo of politics, social commentary, love & music - though it wasn't as successful as his other movies, despite having Kamal on screen. This 'akkam pakkam' song is the politics part while stressing the overall theme of individual responsibility and encouraging like 'you got to do what you got to do'...
Short song, sounding somewhat similar to 'buththam saraNam kachchAmi' in the construction (variety thy name is IR) and had decent air time. Not possibly on the individual merit of the song, IMO, it must be due to "being part of an album that had some superb numbers".
In any case, qualifies for the compilation. I cannot recall where it occurs in the movie (if at all it got picturized).
With 'samayal pAdamE' covered before under maNippur mAmiyAr (SPS replaced with KSC), it is curtains for the SPB-IR combo songs of UMT!
App,
Very nicely analysed KB's style of social films and greatly concluded about the balance in UMT, Excellent :clap: Yes, my favorite KB films of 80's are thanneer thanneer and achchamillai achchamillai. I love saritha's acting!.
Folks
There was a film in early 90's called "thirumathi Palanisamy" , *ring Sathyraj and Suganya, it had few nice songs, was the MD for this movie IR or Deva :roll:
nanRi, V_Sji for the kind words!
rAsA music :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Param