Thinking aloud - if Chandrabimbam was so to be sung without any chords (keys or guitar; say, like in a katcheri with violin and mrudangam :razz:), would it still be considered Sriranjani?
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Thinking aloud - if Chandrabimbam was so to be sung without any chords (keys or guitar; say, like in a katcheri with violin and mrudangam :razz:), would it still be considered Sriranjani?
I have a major confusion between Sri ranjani and Bhageshree (many times) when I listen to film songs. Only when I listen to one of them, for long time, in classical format, I can feel the difference. So, right from day one - i was feeling it could be bhageshree.. but was also drawing parallels between Vasantha Nilave (sooriyan) and this one! could never arrive at any conclusion! :-(
I must agree that "Chandrabimbathin' from a 'feel' perspective I don't get "Sriranjani' in 'Chandrabimbathin'. Neither do I get 'Bageshree'. What feel I get is more of Bahudhari. This was the ragam that was told to me and skr by another twitter personality (who is also an amateur musician). But Vicky says it is not Bahudhari scale. So I am also confused as to what this. The only confusion that I don't have is that it is an outstanding song :D :D
I think this is one of the great discussions in the hub. Best in quality. Some excellent questions by aakarsh, RR and some deep insights from Suresh ji, vel, Plum...
Thanks to thumburu who kick started the proceedings, otherwise we would not have got these outstanding posts and insights. Now KV has started another interesting discussion on Sneha Veedu. Keep it going guys, great job! :clap:
Chandrabimbathin can be a never ending discussion.
I heard it as Bahudari only , infact Pravriti coz Bahudari does not have Da in the return which Pravriti has
If im right Pravriti is only Karnataka Khamas
The swaras what i hear in the pallavi are
Sa Ni Sa Ga Ma ,Pa Ma Ga Sa Ni , Ni Sa Ni Sa Ni Da Pa
Ni Sa Ga , Ni Sa Ga , Ni Sa Ga Ma , Ga Ma Pa Ga Ma Pa , Ga Ma Pa Ni Da Pa Ma Ga Sa Ni.
You clearly see the Dha in the return so i almost zeroed in on the fact that it was Pravriti. (Im delighted that KV too felt the same)
But , the popular opinion was Bahudari , understandably so coz it is a more well known raga atleast as compared to Pravriti
But if the Ma is made as the Sa that is by changing the shruti , we get Ma Ga Ma Da Ni , Sa Ni Da Ma Ga , Ga Ma Ga Ma Ga Ri Sa and henceforth.
So in this case it is Sriranjini or perhaps even Srimanoranjani as mentioned by my friend.
Regarding Bahudari , from a swara perspective atleast i can say it is not as there is neither Ri nor Pa in the aarohanam.
About feel , its one thing which im not very good at , so cant comment too much on that.
Any song i hear , by default the swaras are the first thing which comes to my mind and i could never think of this song as beginning with Ma.
Infact on speaking to Vicky , he said its only in the Charanam that he could arrive it at Sriranjini based on Root chord and stuff .
Perhaps only the Maestro can exactly say which Ragam it is :)
Guys , keeping the confusion on Chandrabimbathin alive , i stumbled across this song and the confusion grew further.
The song which im referring to is Kelaayo Kanna from Nane Raja Nane Manthri
http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer...7'&lang=en
I got a similar confusion as like in Chandrabimbathin when i heard this song
So what ragam can this song be classified as ?
Do you guys hear the swaras as Ma Ga Pa , Ma Ga Ma Sa or is it Ni Da Sa , Ni Da Ni Ma ?
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Originally Posted by vel
Hi RR, this genres thread suffers from the same problem that ROS faced...it just does not have any link up at the front landing page of tfm and it does not get listed (does not re-surface at home page) even if it getting some new posts.....i think this is a equally important thread and should get more front page traction/attention and thus must be sticky.....
vel, I linked it on top of this thread. But I don't see any problem with tfm front page. It lists only the 5 most recent, so other more active threads may be taking precedence. In fact, I can see ROS thread now..
RR, another request. There's an old thread 'Malaysian Deepavali show' that has always stayed afloat in spite of it having no updates. (Or is it something with the view I'm using?). Would it be possible to move it to archive or something like that?
skr,suresh&all
Good analysis of chandrabimbathin..! I too don't see any signs of sriranjani. The scale seems to be S G3 M1 P N2 S with occassional D2, possibly in descent as skr noted. Quick googling tells me this is savitri. G3 version of IR's favorite suddha dhanyasi.
Whatever raga it is, the melody is a good one. Just wish the orchestration / percussion was more appealing.