App anna ,Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
this the most dumbest Rajni movie I have ever seen :banghead:
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App anna ,Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
this the most dumbest Rajni movie I have ever seen :banghead:
:oops:Quote:
Originally Posted by KV
I heard the song for the first time after reading your post :-) I wasn't familiar prior.
Actually, when looking around IR's discography / songs etc for my next song, only two more numbers came up for 1977. o mAmA from peN jenman (SPB/SJ) which I've never heard before and so decided not to write about. The only song that was radio-popular from peN jenman was 'chellappiLLai saravaNan'. I used to associate MSV with that number before coming to TFM-DF.
The other one is oru kAdhal nayakan from sAyndhAdammA sAyndhAdu which was well-known to me from radio days and will be #6 for today. This was another case of not-associating with IR during radio days but found out later.
So, the AES number is another one I'm coming to know as a IR-SPB song from 1977. However, due to my non-association-prior, I cannot write about it :-(
Nevertheless, AES itself was quite a popular album during my school days.
My first experience with 'surAngani' was in a hospital function for leprosy awareness where students from many schools provided entertainment on stage. (I attended that to get a prize for katturaippOtti).
Two stylishly dressed town girls (one as male with moush, both with bell-bottom pants) danced for the song which was played from disk. I instantly loved the song and the whole crowd was delirious as well. I believe MV appears on screen as a stage performer in that movie for this song.
dEvan thiruchchabai malargaLE was a rage too with its very novel structure / sounds. Then there was the PS smoothie 'thEnil Adum rOjA' that had quite decent air time.
The hero was Jaishankar and the movie was discussed in the saradha_sn's Jaishankar thread in the TF classics section.
However, the SPB song was never in my radar and yes, it sounds like a typical 70's MSV number.
The Jaishankar thread in TF Classics has this blog link for AES.
Don't miss this as it has a total package - story, pictures, youtube links to songs . I now recall the funny TMS version of kabhi-kabhi :lol:
App anna
As your next IR + SPB combo, please write about another gem (Bharathi kannama ) , SPB's honey like voice and VJ's scintillating voice. Unfortunately this song was underrated against 'orE naal unnai naan nilavil' from the same movie. I equally love both :)
ok, my chronology-driven-IR-SPB-pick for the day:
#6 ஒரு காதல் தேவதை
இரு கண்கள் பூமழை
இவள் ராஜ வம்சமோ
ரதி தேவி அம்சமோ
(சாய்ந்தாடம்மா சாய்ந்தாடு, 1977)
Very sweet number that instantly puts one in a carefree summer evening of 1977 !
This song has such a strong 'evening feel' written all over it and I'm reminded of a typical setting of playing ball-badminton from 4 PM-5.30 or so in the school and come home, wash and relaxedly listen to SLBC for the neengaL kEttavi. Though they used to announce lyricist & MD along with the requesters' names, I didn't pay much attention to MD during those initial Raja days. So, didn't associate IR for this song when it arrived. Listening to this today, one can appreciate that it has all the signature IR elements of 70's!
Ofcourse I'm not a big fan of SPB-PS combo for duets despite the fact that there are a ton of great numbers that I love despite this dislike. They sound like - to repeat what I posted earlier in the forum - akkA thambi :oops:
Googling shows that this movie was a Sivakumar-Sridevi starrer with Devaraj-Mohan (directors of annakkiLi). Otherwise, no first hand knowledge of this movie. One may want to also check out this MV-SJ number nenjukkuL poo manjam from this movie which has a jazzy prelude and possibly defined a template for some later-day IR songs :wink:
Param,Quote:
Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN
They're from different movies.
Bharathi kaNNammA is from MSV classic, ninaiththAlE inikkum. (not an IR song and hence cannot feature in this thread)
ore nAL unai nAn is from IR classic, iLamai oonjalAdukiRadhu, will definitely appear in its chronological order.
wow thanks for bringing back my memories, a wonderful song indeed, like you said, though I am a big fan of PS, esp her 50's 60's song, but when ever she sings along with SPB , her voice sounds matured compared to SPB 's ever lasting youth full voice :oops:Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
There is another song , which begins along the same lines 'Oru Kadhal devathi boomyil vanthal' , the film was a Karthik+Revathy starrer (quite a nice movie) . The composition sounded so much like IR, I was :shock: to learn the MD for this song was Shankar Ganesh.
On a digression ending, I think Shankar Ganesh Followed by TR.Rajender provided some excellent melodies after IR in the 80's , followed by Vidyasagar from 90's till now :)
Another Classic, was the first ever song by SPB for IR ? :roll:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-lk8...yer_detailpage
There are 2 songs in IR-SPB combo from same movie called Rosappoo Ravikkaikri (1978). IR decided to give these 2 rustic folk songs to SPB. Man... what a job he did.
1) Uchchi Vagunththeduthu - Who is the lyricits for this song? I just love it. I can not remember whether SPB has sung any other song like this (Folk, Sad) in Tamil. Most of these kind of songs in the later years went to IR himself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2arnMngHr8
2) Maaman Oru Naa Malliappoo (ofcourse SJ rocks too). Is there any other "A" joke song in Tamil like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SWm9NKMOkY
On one side Raja was making all those beautiful mealodies, on the other side he delivers these "unpolished" rustic folk numbers. The golden age of TFM!!
It had SP Shailaja and not SJ :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by genesis
Great job by SPS. Sometime SPS really surprises... IMO, she was as good as SJ in this song.Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
Looks like I'll have to pick from the colossal 1978 starting tomorrow.
While closing the 1977 account, few interesting observations :
1. IR didn't get a chance to compose for the biggies in his debut year 1976, only the "Kumars", and he used SPB as a voice for both SK & VK
2. IR was succesful in opening his account for three of the four biggies of TF - Sivaji (Deepam) / Kamal (16V) / Rajini (BOK) in his second year, 1977.
3. IR never got a chance to compose for one biggie, MGR! (though there was a project started, it didn't progress as MGR became the CM).
4. Now, the most relevant point to this thread - Rajini was the first biggie to have SPB's voice under IR's baton among the four :wink:
A_E, thanks for the links and all the tidbits! To add to your observations, and possibly suppporting it, MSV's usage of SPB for KB movies seems to have gone up after IR's entry.
And another song in support of my notion of MSV being inspired by IR, is Uravugal Thodarkadhai (1978). While initially it seemed to me that IR took a leaf out of MSV's book for this composition, now, looking back at the discography, it feels like MSV could've adapted this style from IR (again, just my opinion, I could stand corrected).
App absolutely fantastic posts. Brings back my own memories of enjoying IR/SPB stuff those days.:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
There were quite a number of films NT did, no? Deepam, Thyagam, Pattakatti Bairavan, Kavarimaan, etc. Or do you mean his house production? Then, possible he was using MSV until then.Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
Puriyila. You mean UT sounded like MSV of that time, and that it was because it is indeed IR style, and MSV of that time had picked up IR's style? I don't feel that way though...though the piano thing is MSV's forte (Enakkoru kaathali irukindraal...)Quote:
Originally Posted by KV
I think uravugaL thodargadhai is Vonly IR fossible in entire Indian cinema history.
Plum, agreed. But IR = guitar-na, MSV = piano. Russia-vukku poyee russian-kitteye piano-laa Tchaikovsky vashichi kamicharame.
app,
Thanks a lot to your contribution.......... unga ishta padiyae sollunga.. ana adhukulae,
2 more songs request to u
film - poovarasan
1. Rasathi rasathi
2. Rasa magan - wat a great interludes............ Guitar is the Hero of the song. pl listen......
http://www.thiraipaadal.com/album.ph...R00512&lang=en
Grouch, there seemed to be a style that evolved in the late 70s in TFM (salient features being piano, acoustic guitars, drums, SPB); a sort of soft rock ballad style. Both, MSV and IR seemed to have used this around this time period (IR in smaller numbers like in UT, oru veedu iru ullam and MSV in popular KB film songs like Manmada leelai, Avargal, etc). I was just wondering if IR introduced this style which then MSV picked up and gave some lovely songs. Enakkoru kaadhali is more sangathi-laden, vonly MSV-possible bruga-beast! The type of songs that I'm referring to are much lighter on sangathis (breezy'mbangale).
groucho,Quote:
Originally Posted by groucho070
After rishimoolam (50'lum Asai varum, nEramidhu nEramidhu), there were no NT movies for IR until veLLai rOjA happened. This was attributed to the strain between TMS & IR. That's what I meant by "neglecting IR for a couple of years".
Deepam / Thyagam / PKB / Vetrikku oruvan / nallathoru kudumbam / nAn vAzha vaippEn - all these happened prior to rishi moolam when TMS-IR had a normal working relationship. Until veLLai rOjA, TMS was more important than IR to Sivaji , in my reading.
#7 தாலாட்டு, பிள்ளை ஒன்று தாலாட்டு
மணித்தொட்டிலில் உன்னை மெத்தையிட்டு
சிறு மாங்கனிக்கன்னம் முத்தமிட்டு
(அச்சாணி, 1978 )
thAlAttu -the obviously most "realistic" genre of film songs! Possibly the first lullaby in SPB-IR combo. This had the voice of PS as well, my most preferred voice for ammA.
(This and stage program / music class / religious ritual kind of songs are the only ones on movies that people should "sing" (move lips) IMO. Everything else should be montage only IMSO, unless there's something special on screen, like mudhal mariyAdhai ones or kuzhaloodhum kaNNanukku kind. The lip-the-lines-n-dance-n-run-around kind of "love" songs are the most difficult to watch. Unfortunately, such ones continue to be filmed in TF under the pretext that majoriy of movie goers still enjoy them / help them relax etc. The good part for me is that most movies are watched on DVD's nowadays and all such songs can be conveniently skipped.)
achchANi song is sweet and one'll have to admit that there're not many "IR-unique-70s" stuff in the song, such as adi-dhadi percussion or in general, his unique style of orchestration. It's a simple song, no lengthy preludes or complicated interludes but what makes it click are the melody, softness, sweet singing by SPB-SJ and lines that echo what typical parents in TN dream for their children (will he become a doctor , earn good name etc).
Interestingly, though this was a regular listen during radio days, I didn't connect it with the movie that also had 'mAtha un kOvilil' which I knew definitely as an IR song. (By this time, started noticing the MD and the SJ song had strong elements of IR-ism while thAlAttu didn't have much). The portion that goes like "யாழிசையிலும் ஏழிசையிலும் இல்லை இந்த மோகனம்" could have pleased anyone who grew up with KVM-MSV melodies and they wouldn't have associated such lullaby with a nattuppuRa ALu who had a taste for 'western' too :wink:
Till date I don't know anything about the actors / story / on-screen stuff for this song. And don't feel excited to google for that :-)
before this composition,
தாலாட்டு for தலைவன் from பத்ரகாளி from ஸ்ரீ.இளையராஜா is
கண்ணன் ஒரு கை குழந்தை..... சுஷீலா with ஸ்ரீ.யேசுதாஸ் .
Vinatha.
That's correct (the song even ends with the ஆராரிரோ) but the achchAni number is possibly the first in SPB-IR combo :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by baroque
yes, app_eng.
Achchaani had Muthuraman and Devika in the lead role I believe. I haven't seen the movie though.
BTW, super Posts app.. really enjoying reading the history/timeline perspective of the songs.
Thanks App for wonderful insights about TMS, IR and NT. 'Thaalaattu' song is just amazing. Very nice pick. Very simple, yet very soothing melody!
KV, okay now you got me thinking also. Worth analysing, I say.
App, thanks for the explanation. Please don't mind me, I am enjoying your posts. Continue...
Though I don't recall much about my pre-school days, I do know that there were no buses to my village then - as it was five KM away from the nearest highway. The gravel road got the town bus service only during my primary school days and I remember the #5 bus by TVS (the old TVS logo with a circle around the three letters).
I remember the day when the same bus came with PRC logo (Pandiyan Roadways Corporation) and the aluminium painting on top of the TVS didn't completely hide it as one can still see it. Later it had the colorful fish symbol :-) After a few years, when the road was getting "tarred", me & my bro walked miles to see the process, got our new shirts spoilt and received "semaththiyA" from our dad.
Thus started my love / hate relationship with roads, buses and bus journeys :-)
I loved especially the Ashok Leyland buses - the way the engine roars as the driver accelerated and changed gears was always music to me (disliked TATA buses, they didn't "sound" nice, there may be a connection to my preferences in percussion sounds).
During school days, why even college days, considerable time was spent on talking about buses - their "face", seats, sounds, speed, corporations, sound systems, video systems etc and often about specific individual trips.
During early 70's, whenever I went to town and knew that I had x amount of time to wait for our town bus in the bus stand, one thrilling thing was to go the "route bus" area and watch those shiny Pallavan Express buses (with glass windows) :-) It was actually disappointing to see Pallavan city buses without such glass widows during my first trip to Madras. I've progressively seen those express buses change the name to Thiruvalluvar, Rajeev Gandhi, Jayalalitha and finally TNSTC. Still, the Pallavan Express with Lion logo is still in indelible memory.
Though I don't share similar sentiments with the Pallavan city buses that ran in Chennai in 70's, I love this song that happened in such a bus :
#8 என் கண்மணி உன் காதலி
(சிட்டுக்குருவி, 1978)
Sweet song, familiar to all who visit the IR section of the hub, akkA-thambi :wink:, interesting Vaali "counter-point-lyric" etc.
wonderful posting & the pick.
இந்த பாட்டு எல்லாம், pappaya facial பாட்டு, app _eng.
நான் அப்படியே absorb the romance in my man 's smooth voice like a blotting paper .
I can still hear my friend 's voice ...' 9 :10 ஆயிடுது , அழகா இருக்கேடி, schoolkku நேரம் ஆச்சு...' while I was putting my பொட்டு, changing my தோடு , clip etc ...
Backside/front side tea kadai yellam, shri.IR songs pottu thalliduvaanga.
I trained my friend right, அவன் பொறுமையான hubby & dad now.
Even after 40+ going... now & then I take few mins to change my jewelry, accessories while playing Bala's sumptuous voice, my time.
I need it.
Now and then , my my laid-back moments with பாலா, helps me get things done.
பாலா, நீங்க மட்டும் இல்லன்னா , நான் என்ன ஆவேன்?
mmmmmmmmmm..... Smile
It is not counterpoint.
என் கண்மணி (முடியும் போது ) உன் காதலி (முடியும் போது ) இளம் மாங்கனி
அப்படி போறது melody.
counterpoint is concurrent melodies.(keeravaani.......,metti oli kaatrodu.... vocal humming, pon ooviyam kandenammaa......)
vinatha.
Not musically but lyrically, according to some experts :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by baroque
(I'm just a reproducer of that thought)
The "concurrent" lines :
என் கண்மணி இள மாங்கனி சிரிக்கின்றதேன் on one track
& உன் காதலி உனைப்பார்த்ததும் சிரிக்கின்றதேன் on another track
it seems, as explained by some...
When it arrived, my most fav parts were the chords (the thing that characterized Raja music for me initally), the "bus sounds" (pAm pAm) & the lines :
நல்லாச் சொன்னேள் போங்கோ
இந்தாம்மா கருவாட்டுக்கூட முன்னால போ
தேனாம்பேட்ட சூப்பர் மார்க்கெட் எறங்கு
:lol: (supposedly the voice of late R D Baskar, IR's elder brother)
The "concurrent" lines :
என் கண்மணி இள மாங்கனி சிரிக்கின்றதேன் on one track
& உன் காதலி உனைப்பார்த்ததும் சிரிக்கின்றதேன் on another track
it seems, as explained by some...
app_eng
concurrent - அப்படின்னா happening at the same time
தானே சொல்லும் போது , he is telling as என் கண்மணி , அதையே... his மனசு or பிம்பம் telling as உன் காதலி .
possessive adjectives - my, your
the above two sentences mean the same but not happening at the same டைம்.
concurrent என்று அர்த்தமில்லை.
vinatha.
You're right, that's why I placed the word within quotes :-) It's lyrics "interspersed" :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by baroque
Awesome song. yet another song, I thought is done my MSV . The interludes are so minimalist and the shift in the charanam towards the end is so MSV in style.Quote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
Only the brief jazz passage in the second interlude says "IR here". Otherwise a sweet MSV mode song. too short for my comfort. could have been longer..
#9 காவேரிக்கரை ஓரத்திலே
கன்னிப்பொண்ணு வரும் நேரத்துல
...
பொன்னுல பொன்னுல பண்ணுற மூக்குத்தி
மின்னுது மின்னுது ஒத்தைக்கல் மூக்குத்தி
போக்கிரிப் பொண்ணுக்கு பங்குனி மாசம் கல்யாணம், பாட்டுக்கச்சேரி
பொய்க்காலு குருதையில ஊர்கோலம்
(சிட்டுக்குருவி,1978)
Quite a jubilant SPB song, back to his earlier kind of "immature" voice and the whole setting makes it a racy one!
The typical ridicule to students who speak in total country style when they arrive to our school was 'என்ன மருதைக்கு போயி குருத வாங்குவியா'. This usage got captured in this song effortlessly. This song had much more 'kOlAmbi' speaker time, along with 'ada dada mAmarakkiLiyE' of this moive, than the polished 'en kaNmani'.
Experts can clarify whether the prelude has shenoy or nAdhaswaram.
This album was perhaps among the last ones before compact cassette players hit TN. It was the vinyl record era, mostly with 45 RPM records that can hold two songs on each side and most films can be contained in one disk and some in two. It wasn't till much later that TFM could enjoy the 33 RPM LP records which were regular for HFM in 70's.
Also, around this time period there came out the HMV fiesta record player that had a built-in power amp. With the speaker on the cover, no external amp / external speakers were necessary to play in tea stalls. I'll get to the album that was the max beneficiery in my next song :-)
BTW, #9 was for yesterday, Sat 4/30, so another song is due for Sun 5/1 :wink:
#10 என்னடி மீனாச்சி, சொன்னது என்னாச்சி?
(இளமை ஊஞ்சலாடுகிறது, 1978)
Possibly the first IR-SPB-Kamal combo song which was gifted to TN by the music-savvy director Sridhar. While all the songs from the movie were huge hits, the other songs had only "limited" audience.
For e.g. 'thaNNee karuththiruchchu', though loved by everyone with its never-before-style for TFM, one could not hear the song on radio when appA was home. Same goes for 'kiNNaththil thEn vadiththu'. 'nee kEttAl nAn mAttEn enRA' was not in my fav books when arrived (I kinda liked the "teacherammA" song years later, though not to the extent of playing on loop). The classy one, that has continued to be popular till now (and my next # in this listing), wasn't as much a favourite for public address systems those days as meenAchchi.
Like I mentioned many times in the hub, IO was the first surefire biggie for tea stalls & buses in TFM! Though compact cassette players were'nt widely available and not in every home, buses started having those imported audio systems which was a big business differentiator. Tea stalls had the HMV fiesta (believe me, I had seen so many of them those days in Madurai dist which was my primary domain and was possibly reflective of what happened elsewhere in TN).
Thus started a long line of KH-SPB-IR numbers!
I listen to 'Ponnula Ponnula' very frequently. Nice to see your pick in Chittukuruvi. Super information about the vinyl record era. :thumbsup:
In ilamai Oonjalaadugirathu, my favorite is 'Ore Naal'. Beautiful flute in the prelude followed guitar and then that beautiful piano?? run, wow! The interludes are still hearing as I type this. I think this song was also very polular like 'Ennadi Meenatchi' as I still vaguely remember that AIR used to air this song regularly those days. My whole family (including my grand parents :smile:) loved this song that time.
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ponnula ponnula is quite a riotous celebration of a song. I'll tell you something - sub-consciously this song evokes a memory of being in a thiruvizhA with speakers booming and all the colours of the festival around you. The catch is I have never been to such a thiruvizhaa.
So, going by app's description, either I have some ESP of a previous birth - or that is how much Raja can paint a landscape and milieu and transport it to your heart. I think Jai covered this concept few months back in PFC.
Ofcourse, you can always question the authenticity of the thiruvizhaa evoked in m y mind but then that is why I never shared this here until I saw app's real-life descriptions that startlingly match with my mind-picture,
Quicky checked out the page on SPB-SJ, nice selections :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Meerakrishna
One small nit pick, the song 'pAdu nilAvE' is from the movie 'udhaya geetham' (and not 'thEn kavidhai' as this page says, that phrase is actually the second line of this song :-) )
#11 ஒரே நாள் உனை நான் நிலாவில் பார்த்தது
உலாவும் உன் இளமை தான் ஊஞ்சலாடுது
(இளமை ஊஞ்சலாடுகிறது, 1978)
As mentioned in my post on ennadi meenAchchi, this is the most classy song in IO, IMO. The song with most longevity, people enjoy this till date. A sweet violin / guitar / VJ / SPB concoction that had Kamal / Sripriya and a "coffee bar" on screen :-) True to that image, this song was kind of a pioneer in popularising custom-tea-stall-music even in the smallest hamlets of TN. (Big upgrade from playing from radio, there should have been a spurt in the sale of vinyl records by the time IO was a rage).
On a personal front, by the time IO was making waves, our circle was already in the habit of dissecting the interludes, commenting on light music orchestra performances as to how they don't match up to the originals etc. Especially sharp was my cousin's observation as he pointed out the 'chin-chA' that goes along with lead guitar in the second interlude :lol: Later, IR did the same thing with the first interlude of 'AnandhaththEn kAtRu thAlAttudhe' (guitar-jAlrA combo), caught by him again and he had instant admiration by all in the relative circle :-)
The common saying that IR kicked out HFM from snobbies of TN, IMO, happened around the IO time. IIRC, buses were still playing 'hum kisi se kum naheen' stuff but IO and other IR songs were fast garnering the major share of the audio time progressively!
When the third interlude ends (after the sweet violins, terrific humming and the lead guitar), if one does not get transported to a moony night - well, that person possibly has some bad personal memories embedded...