The Golden Era of Dr.IR and Dr.SPB

Bala - epdi solRadhunnu theriyala. Salakku salakku is BAU for Manogar. Salhjakku salhjakku selahh, kalhakku kalhakkum Alaih, ottikitthalhe. Making heavyweather apdingaRadhukku illustrationA vekkalAm. Janaki had almost reached lata pAtti Asha pAtti levels of screechiness by then but Babu is in a different planet of incompetence. I can understand when app says project management reasons for using Mano instead of SPB - but when you could afford SP for 1 song in this album, why choose the least among 5 possible songs? Why? Why? Why? NeRRikaNN thiRappinum....IR-AvE irundhAlum mannikka mudiyAdha kuRRam. I fully empathise with Faramu on this matter.

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Originally Posted by Plum

Janaki had almost reached lata pAtti Asha pAtti levels of screechiness by then but Babu is in a different planet of incompetence.

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Itha thaan naa ivalavu naala sollikitu vaarEn , but no one seems to understand!

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Originally Posted by Plum

I can understand when app says project management reasons for using Mano instead of SPB - but when you could afford SP for 1 song in this album, why choose the least among 5 possible songs? Why? Why? Why? NeRRikaNN thiRappinum....IR-AvE irundhAlum mannikka mudiyAdha kuRRam

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:exactly:

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Originally Posted by Plum

I fully empathise with Faramu on this matter.

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:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

idhellaam mutually exclusivennu yaar sonnadhu? enakku ellla biskothum venum..

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But only one can be the #366 - others will also be posted about, obviously :-)

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Originally Posted by groucho070

This is abusing his generosity, but I approve :smile:

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:lol:

He has actually listed more than two, IIRC :-) Anyways, I'll allocate 0.5 to MMM & 0.5 to SKS.

Current count :
rAjAthi - 2.5 (Nerd / jg / app)
muthumaNi -3 (B(K), venkki, engine, V_S)
sAmi kitta -2.5 (Plum, grouch, ji)

Grouch, aNNan is the villian in aavaaram poo. Plis. to watch the youtube of the song for aNNan's reactions to the couple's romaans (check the top comment on this video too) :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1k3Dvc4uzo

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Originally Posted by app_engine

:lol:

He has actually listed more than two, IIRC :-) Anyways, I'll allocate 0.5 to MMM & 0.5 to SKS.

Current count :
rAjAthi - 2.5 (Nerd / jg / app)
muthumaNi -3 (B(K), venkki, engine, V_S)
sAmi kitta -2.5 (Plum, grouch, ji)

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Biggest hit among the 3 is certainly MuthumaNi maalai. Honest-aiyum kooppidunga, landslide majority kidaikkum :-)

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Originally Posted by Nerd

aNNan's reactions to the couple's romaans

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:rotfl: :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Nerd

Honest-aiyum kooppidunga, landslide majority kidaikkum :-)

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avar inga regular illAinnAlum, sinna kounder varumpOthu kooppida solli irukkAr :-) avarOda AsthAna thread'la onnu postREn...

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Originally Posted by Plum

If the marketing men in TFM of 92-93 had been in charge of Cricket marketing in 2006-07, I guess Sachin's career would have been finished during that time. EnnamA namba vechurukAinga IR quality koRainju pOchunnu when the reality is this - oru kattaththula nAnE andha marketingai nambittEn :ashamed:

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:exactly:IR's quality can never go down or wrong. :smile:

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Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN

yOv KadupEtha vendam :x , Thilagam is OK with ARR songs, but an utter murderer with IR, cos in ARR songs Technology and Music over shadows Vocals, so Thilgam gets away with it :lol:

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இதுபோன்ற பொதுப்படையான கருத்திற்கு உடன்பாடு கிடையாது. 1) ராஜா இசையில் பாடிய எல்லா மனோ பாடல்களுமே புறக்கணிக்கத் தக்கவை அல்ல. 2) ராஜா, ரஹ்மான், தேவா, சிற்பி, வித்யாசாகர் என இசையமைப்பாளர் யாராக இருப்பினும் பின்னணி இசையினால் மனோவின் குரல் மந்தப்படவில்லை.

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Originally Posted by app_engine

muthumaNi -3 (B(K), venkki, engine, V_S)

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நாலு ஓட்டுக்கள் எப்படி மூன்றானது? யாரப்பா அரை ஓட்டு போட்ட கொடை வள்ளல்?

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Originally Posted by venkkiram

நாலு ஓட்டுக்கள் எப்படி மூன்றானது? யாரப்பா அரை ஓட்டு போட்ட கொடை வள்ளல்?

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Mine is split between rAjAthi & muthu.

Plum & groucho have recommended to split V_Sji's vote between muthu & sAmi kitta.

So, not just one arai - there are two arai's :-)

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Originally Posted by venkkiram

இதுபோன்ற பொதுப்படையான கருத்திற்கு உடன்பாடு கிடையாது. 1) ராஜா இசையில் பாடிய எல்லா மனோ பாடல்களுமே புறக்கணிக்கத் தக்கவை அல்ல. 2) ராஜா, ரஹ்மான், தேவா, சிற்பி, வித்யாசாகர் என இசையமைப்பாளர் யாராக இருப்பினும் பின்னணி இசையினால் மனோவின் குரல் மந்தப்படவில்லை.

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Venki

It is not on a personal level at all, I hope you understand me. But he tries to imitate SPB to the core and fails miserably. SPB is the one who introduced "Siniungal, laughs, cries, jollu, nakkal, and any kind of emotion one can thing of” into singing, prior to SPB, it was TMS he was successful to a certain extent but not as successful as SPB, I don’t think even Kishore Kumar can com close to SPB in this aspect!

I don’t know whether you know this, MV can imitate TMS, CSJ etc. There was another singer called Kovai Soundararajan who also imitated TMS , but these guys knew their limit and sang mostly in their original style, which can never be said about Mano, None of the songs he has sang are challenging!!! Tell me difficult song he sang? All his songs can be sung by "hariyudan naan participants”!

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Originally Posted by PARAMASHIVAN

Venki

It is not on a personal level at all, I hope you understand me. But he tries to imitate SPB to the core and fails miserably. SPB is the one who introduced "Siniungal, laughs, cries, jollu, nakkal, and any kind of emotion one can thing of” into singing, prior to SPB, it was TMS he was successful to a certain extent but not as successful as SPB, I don’t think even Kishore Kumar can com close to SPB in this aspect!

I don’t know whether you know this, MV can imitate TMS, CSJ etc. There was another singer called Kovai Soundararajan who also imitated TMS , but these guys knew their limit and sang mostly in their original style, which can never be said about Mano, None of the songs he has sang are challenging!!! Tell me difficult song he sang? All his songs can be sung by "hariyudan naan participants”!

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புடிச்ச முயலுக்கு மூணே காலுன்னு நிக்கிறிங்க. இருந்தாலும் கருத்தை வைக்கிறேன். நிறைய இருக்கிறது. மனோ பாடிய தேன்மொழி எந்தன் தேன்மொழி சிறப்பான பாடல். உங்க தர்க்கத்தில் பார்த்தால் உன்னி மேனன், மது பாலகிருஷ்ணன் போன்ற பாடகர்கள் யேசுதாசின் நகல் என சொல்லிவிடலாம். ஆனால் அப்படியல்ல. மனோவிற்கென்று ஒரு குரல் இருக்கிறது. அது பாலுவின் சாயலில், குரல் அலையில் ஒத்தது போல இருப்பதால் பாலு போலவே மனோ பாட விரும்புகிறார் என்பது தவறான கண்ணோட்டம். நீங்க பாலுவின் தீவிர ரசிகராக இருங்கள். ஆனால் மனோவை கடுமையாக விமர்சனம் செய்வது ஒட்டுமொத்தமாக அவர் பாடிய பாடல்களையும் மறைமுகமாக விமர்சனம் செய்கிறீர்கள் என அர்த்தம்.

Oho thread threadA pOyi vote sEkkaRingaLA? Voter listla unga supporterai pugutharadhula ninga dmknA naan kolkata cpm. Ippo paarunga?

Venki

I was not talking about his voice, I was talking about his singing style!!! Thenmozhi enthan then mozhi ellam kashtamana paadal na , no need to continue :)

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Originally Posted by Plum

Oho thread threadA pOyi vote sEkkaRingaLA? Voter listla unga supporterai pugutharadhula ninga dmknA naan kolkata cpm. Ippo paarunga?

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Back up needed :lol:

Venki
++ on Mano.
Thenmozhi is a wonderful example. And the point about Mano in Rahman songs is ridiculous. Aayirathil Naan Oruvan (Iruvar) laam enna solluveenga

Plum
SPB yen first choice illa nu ketta ok but my point is that nadandhadhu nadandhu pochu, paadittaar, enakkennamo nalla dhaan irunchu

P.S: Fcukin autotext :banghead:

Faramu - I suffort you in the anti-mano crusade. In return, please post this as it is : "my (faramu's) vote is for saamikitta"

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Originally Posted by Nerd

aNNan's reactions to the couple's romaans

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:rotfl3:

Faramu - here's my part of the deal: mano ozhiga, nagoor babu ozhiga, spb wannabe ozhiga, poli SPBgaLai kaNdu EmARAdhIR!

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Originally Posted by app_engine

#348 வானம் தொட்டுப்போன
(தேவர் மகன், 1992 )

Another SPB song from the same movie that I've heard only a few times - mostly during bus travels. Unlike the previous song that I've heard a few times on radio, I don't remember hearing this number ever otherwise. Sounds nice, with SPB throwing in appropriate emotions (there are actually two version on thiraippAdal - both having the same melody but different orchestration / tempo etc and possibly for two different situations in the movie).

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indha song'ku unga total reactionae ivlodhaanaa??? :evil:

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Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)

P.S: Fcukin autotext :banghead:

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Humble request No swearing pls

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Originally Posted by Plum

Faramu - I suffort you in the anti-mano crusade. In return, please post this as it is : "my (faramu's) vote is for saamikitta"

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Ok App anna

My vote is for Saami kitta :)

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Originally Posted by Plum

Faramu - I suffort you in the anti-mano crusade. In return, please post this as it is : "my (faramu's) vote is for saamikitta"

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:lol: :notworthy: neenga election'layE nikkalaam.

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Originally Posted by venkkiram

புடிச்ச முயலுக்கு மூணே காலுன்னு நிக்கிறிங்க. இருந்தாலும் கருத்தை வைக்கிறேன். நிறைய இருக்கிறது. மனோ பாடிய தேன்மொழி எந்தன் தேன்மொழி சிறப்பான பாடல். உங்க தர்க்கத்தில் பார்த்தால் உன்னி மேனன், மது பாலகிருஷ்ணன் போன்ற பாடகர்கள் யேசுதாசின் நகல் என சொல்லிவிடலாம். ஆனால் அப்படியல்ல. மனோவிற்கென்று ஒரு குரல் இருக்கிறது. அது பாலுவின் சாயலில், குரல் அலையில் ஒத்தது போல இருப்பதால் பாலு போலவே மனோ பாட விரும்புகிறார் என்பது தவறான கண்ணோட்டம். நீங்க பாலுவின் தீவிர ரசிகராக இருங்கள். ஆனால் மனோவை கடுமையாக விமர்சனம் செய்வது ஒட்டுமொத்தமாக அவர் பாடிய பாடல்களையும் மறைமுகமாக விமர்சனம் செய்கிறீர்கள் என அர்த்தம்.

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in my abipraayam both SPB and Mano are trying to invoke Ghantasaala and SPB is more successful at this.

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Originally Posted by jaiganes

in my abipraayam both SPB and Mano are trying to invoke Ghantasaala and SPB is more successful at this.

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aha Puthusa oru Ragalaiya aarambichuar! Ghantasala's voice is totally Different to SPB and these singers were in Two different Era !

Flau

Your Telugu expertise required!

SPB did start off trying to imitate Ghantasala - as that was the requirement then in Telugu. Music Director specification kodukkum bOdhE idhu key requirementA veppAr. As he is a fan of Rafi, konjam konjam Rafi styleum theriyum but that was not very prominent. pOga pOga, SPB evolved his own style. Manovukku apdi solla mudiyumA? (Yeah, he evolved the hey shabba muqabla style - adhellaam oru perumaiyaa?). And I dont care about his evolution post mid-90s, as he had done enough damage to IR songs by then. Mano - mannikka mudiyAdha karumbuLLi in IR's career. RAmarajan pada paadalgaL apdinNE oru genrevai sila janam odhukku vekkudhu - idhu nadappu uNmaim hublEyE pAkkalAm - adhula Manovukkum perum pangu uNdu. Thaenmozhi pAttu lyrics ippO gnAbagam illai - oru muRai kEttuttu, mano epdi pAdi irukkArO apdiyE post paNdrEn - adhuvum original lyricsum evLo oththu pOgudhunnu neenga ellOrumE sollunga - assuming we can find the original lyrics. The man has what I call the tongue-tied problem - I have the same problem. adhAvadhu, nAkku nEELAdhu.(Tied to inner mouth). idhanAla, sila vArthaigaL theLivA ucharikka mudiyAdhu. Manokku andha medical condition irukkA illaiyA theriyalai - but andha symptoms mattum theLviA irukku. I cant remember other examples now and have to quote only this trivial one but it should give an indiacation - befiore the movie was released, for quite some time, I used to think it is pandiyanin raajiyathil gujjalaaala. (Radiola promos varum - muzhu pAttu varaaadhu adhanaala chitra portions kekkalai). padam vandhappuRam chitra paadiyadhai vechu dhaan uyaalaalanu therinjudhu. In this case, lyric loss oNNum illai but ipdi pala samplegaL irukku.

FAramu, ivLO menaketturukkEn, innoru id create paNNi innoru vote pottudunga :)

konjam imagine paNNi pArthEn(kEttEn) - Ghantasala singing "iLamai idhO idhO"...:lol:

:ty: nerd :)

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Originally Posted by app_engine

avar inga regular illAinnAlum, sinna kounder varumpOthu kooppida solli irukkAr :-) avarOda AsthAna thread'la onnu postREn...

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91 end'la irundhu regular'ah inge irukken.. :)

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Originally Posted by app_engine

:lol:

He has actually listed more than two, IIRC :-) Anyways, I'll allocate 0.5 to MMM & 0.5 to SKS.

Current count :
rAjAthi - 2.5 (Nerd / jg / app)
muthumaNi -3 (B(K), venkki, engine, V_S)
sAmi kitta -2.5 (Plum, grouch, ji)

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count me in for "muthumaNi mAlai"

I liked Susheela's singing.. yarukkum pidikkalaya :?
good choice for this one, rather than usual janaki..

no need to mention.. total album :bow: starting from IR's "kannupada pogudhayya" till spb's "koondukulla ennai vechu"

Plum :lol: :lol:
I kind of get what you mean. Mano koral stuff panna madhiri irukkum and his voice is not pleasant on the ears IMO. Neengalum Paramu-vum solra alavukku mosamilla, avlodhaan. Paramu vera edho fans range ku project panraaru.
And gujjalaala'laam illainga :lol: uyyalaala (or) vuyyalaala nu dhaane kekkudhu. Any other example?

#351 இங்கே மானமுள்ள பொண்ணு ஒன்ன
(சின்னப்பசங்க நாங்க, 1992)

'ingE mAnamuLLa poNNu onna' from chinnappasanga nAnga

Another 'heard-in-buses-only' song, a pathos by SPB for which a happy SJ solo counterpart is available on the album as well ("enna mAnamuLLa poNNu ennu marudhaiyila kEttAha"). Sweet folk melody and hence automatically enjoyable number for me. Other standard IR ingradients are present as well. SPB provides measured emotions and does a decent job. (I generally love IR-SPB folksy pathos numbers - they never go overboard but achieve thoNdai adaikkal on most cases).

Googling tells me that the movie had Murali & Revathy and one Raj Kapoor as director. Other than that, no facts & figures can be ascertained for the movie as I dont have any memory associated with it except the songs that got played frequently during bus trips. I must add that the SJ number was possibly more popular than the SPB one, as I recollect hearing that more often...

nanRi Param & HR, for the votes :-)

rAjAthi rAjA's thanthrams - 2.5 (N, jg, A)
muthu maNi mAlai - 4 (B(K),v,_E,V_,HR)
sAmi kitta - 3.5 (P,g,Sji,Param)

Still muthu maNi mAlai leading :thumbsup:

My vote for #366 is Sami Kitta. Completely floored by the beautiful orchestration, SPB/SJ's rendition and of course Annan's expressions :lol:

Plum/Param - This vote is not because I hate Mano's singing to the core :smile:. I'm taking the line of V_S, Venki here as I do like some of Mano - IR songs, not just because of Mano's singing but the overall quality in song - tune, orchestration etc. I really don't mind his voice but do wish SPB had sung some of his songs.

rajkumarc:-)

appO neenga groucho katchi :wink:

There's a duet in CPN (SPB-SJ - starts 'mayilAdum') but not very familiar to me (may not be a hit song)...so, skip.

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Originally Posted by Nerd

Grouch, aNNan is the villian in aavaaram poo. Plis. to watch the youtube of the song for aNNan's reactions to the couple's romaans (check the top comment on this video too) :lol:

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aNNan reaction = priceless. Thanks man. And vineeth :banghead:


By the by, what happened to that girl :oops:

Ingga Mano fan yAru? I think that SPB is the greatest ever, far greater than even the great TMS. But Mano was harmless, compared to, say, Hariharan who's blandness in non-ARR songs are stuff of the legend. Even HH/IR, I can't listen to. If Mano/IR song were terrible, blame IR for not whipping Mano for doing a terrible job and abandoning him for some other second grades. But that's for you guys, most of us are very happy with those songs, as, I believe, the maestro himself. Go suck citrus fruit of your choice :evil:

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Originally Posted by app_engine

There's a duet in CPN (SPB-SJ - starts 'mayilAdum') but not very familiar to me (may not be a hit song)...so, skip.

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yoav ennaayya neeye. summaa phenomenal songs ellaathayume skip adikkare?...i think 90s ku indha vandiyai vera aal kitte dhaan kudukkanum...
Chinnapasanga naanga was a movie that resurrected murali's career in 90s.. This was one movie which Raaja and RP.Viswam made memorable through music and
acting. kadanjedutha villathanathai cinemavil kondu varuvadhil migundha vetri adaindha oru nadigar RP>Viswam.
Mayilaadum thoappil in many ways ranks much higher than "Ennai thottu" - simply for the dulcet singing of baalu and awesome preludes and interludes by Raaja..
Cuteness of Saradha preetha added additional "it" factor to this song. Raj Kapoor's choice of locales made for one nicely picturised songs of 90s..
kovathula enakku koarvaya ezudha kooda varalai....
Andha starting 30 secondsla Beethoven and mozart prathyakshamaa vandhuttu povaanga. sangeedha sampoornamyaa andha movement..!!! adhukkappuram pallavila andha raagam (adhu ennaannu
periyavaaal solvaa) andha bhaavam - idhellaam Raja-SPB yoda Sachin - sehwag combinationla summaa ALLum... we are all lucky buggers.. - but like kids born with silver spoon - ennaa anubavichomnu kooda
namakku theriyala.. hmmmm
A_E kovathula vaarthai kooda pesirundha kshamikkanum..

1. Bala - harmless, sari mediocre illaiyA? Depends on what you call harm. Adhu theriyaama kekkarache gujjalaala dhaanga. Ninga therinju kekkaringa uyalaalanu. As I said, thenmozhi oru dabaa kettuttu post pandren lyrics. Ninga autotext post onnu pottingale - adhu maadhiri dhaen irukkum. 2. Kraucher - with you on karikaran. But if you lived through anticipating Idh Thir and listened to Mano's kari kada bhai renditions, you are unlikely to forgive him in a hurry. Karikaran mostly mokkaied in Deva songs - devavoda kalai padaippugaLai naasam paNNiyadhAl enakkenna nattam? I am only concerned about killers of IR songs. Mano is the supreme leader of this gang. As for blaming IR for this: shanmugasundaram in Kizhakku Vaasal after slapping kushboo's mother for Kushboo's indiscretions: "unnai epdimA nAn adippEn? Eppddi adippEn"(naa thazhu thazhuththal)

Jai - adhaanE. The worst miss, this one. Not as big a hit as Ennai Thottu but a lovely one and a decent hit too. Not a typical IR song in that the long luxurious phrases affording the singer some space are not typical of Raja. Still fast paced ofcourse. Kanaga lite Saradhapreetha cuteA? Sari teenage aberrationnu nenaichu loosela vittudaren. Revathy talked up the role as unusual for her, and how she enjoyed loosening up on screen. Sadly, the enjoyment didn't translate to the audience. That said, ennai maanamulla song-la oothi koduththu aada vuttAngaLAnnu nenaikkaRa rangeku Ada vutturuppAnga.