Why I Consider IR Unparalleled

[venkkiram]

Is it not funny that these people talk about Western,carnatic,Hindustani,Spanish,Ababic fusion was introduced by Ilayaraja. Have they not heard Pudhiya paravai,sivantha man musics? I can give list of songs and their Genre to prove my point. Internet creeps are short-sighted and has no full knowledge. Counter-point,A B C D E F G minor,majors are basics in Western. It is no testimony of music knowledge. If I write about Ilaya Raja,it will be different. Dont even equate me with other Bloggers.

ஐயா! அதையும்தான் இங்கு பார்த்துக் கொண்டிருக்கிறோமே! எல்லோரின் கவனத்தை ஈர்க்கும் வகையில் ராசைய்யா பற்றிய திரியிலேயே தரவரிசைப் படுத்தி அவருக்கு மூன்றாம் இடத்திற்கு தந்த விதத்தை. இதே திரியில் சமீபத்தில் crimson king பதிந்த கருத்துக்களுக்கு உங்களிடமிருந்து என்ன பதில்? வசதியாக பலவற்றை புறக்கணிப்பு செய்கிறீர்கள். திரு ரவி நடராஜன், விக்கி போன்றவர்களின் இசைக் கட்டுரைகளை வாசியுங்கள். அவற்றில் எதில் முரண்படுகிறீர்கள் எனச் சொல்லுங்கள்? திரையிசையில் கர்நாடக ராகங்கள் என்ற வரிசையில் இணையத்தில் திரு சௌந்தர் திறம்பட தொகுத்து வந்துகொண்டிருக்கிறார். அவற்றையும் வாசியுங்கள். மீண்டும் ஒரு முறை சொல்லி அமர்கிறேன். ராசைய்யா திறந்து வைத்த மனக் கதவுகள் நிறைய.

[JamesDap]

Is it not funny that these people talk about Western,carnatic,Hindustani,Spanish,Ababic fusion was introduced by Ilayaraja. Have they not heard Pudhiya paravai,sivantha man musics? I can give list of songs and their Genre to prove my point. Internet creeps are short-sighted and has no full knowledge. Counter-point,A B C D E F G minor,majors are basics in Western. It is no testimony of music knowledge.If I write about Ilaya Raja,it will be different. Dont even equate me with other Bloggers.

Counterpoint is a basic in Western? Since when? Can you please point to some Bruno Mars, Justin Bieber songs which actually have counterpoint? Michael Jackson? Whitney Houston? Celine Dion? Unless you have some very specific Beatles or ABBA tracks in mind, it is certainly not a widely used technique in Western pop/rock music and therefore not remotely 'basic'.

Can you please pass some of whatever it is you are smoking? Pffft, is there any comparison between a technique of writing harmony that is predominantly used in classical music and errmmmm the names of notes???? You keep helpfully inferring complete ignorance of Ilayaraja fans but for your kind information I have indeed listened to Pudhiya Paravai soundtrack many times. I like it (as well as the film). But it is not even nearly comparable in terms of complexity to say a Ninaivellam Nithya. Maybe internet creeps have no knowledge but your knowledge of English grammar could certainly do with some reinforcements.

PS: On the piano, Western keys start and end with C. Also there is no B sharp. :P

[Gopal.s]

முதலிடம் எதிலோ கொடுத்துள்ளேனே?அதை பற்றி எழுதினால் ஆச்சு.நிறைய உள்ளதே.

[JamesDap]

What, so it's ok to write dha, ni, sa, re, ga, ma, pa? Because that's essentially what you wrote. I doubt one so snobbish as you would take it lying down if somebody wrote Indian notation like that. You got called out, mate, fair and square. And whether you want to own up to it is not my concern. But writing it as ABCDEFG is a reliable way to let people know exactly how 'much' you know about it.

[Gopal.s]

Ha ha , Dont read everything literally. See what context,it is written. Anycase, Crimson, Let me put it blunt . I have atleast 28 Songs in 5 years to name composition Marvel from Viswanathan -Ramamoorthy (Sonnathu neethana Etc) which are rich in form& content. Ilayaraja about 12 in 15 years, Rahman about 22 in 9 years.Let us not discuss about technology related developments . they are pure imaginative expressions. A.R.Rahman is a true trend setter. Ilayaraja followed his predecessors.

My ratings are based on continuous follow up on music trends since I was young. If at all I have soft corner ,it is for my contemporary ilayaraja. If I dont respect him,i wouldnt have visited this thread.

[venkkiram]

சுத்தம்.. இனி உங்களிடம் இத்திரியில் நான் பேசி பயனில்லை திரு கோபால்.. முன்கூட்டியே சொன்னதுதான். விவாத்ததில் பங்கேற்காமல்.. முன்முடிவுகளுடன் வந்து கருத்து ஏப்பங்கள் விடவேண்டியது. இணையத்தில் பதியும் பல்வேறு செறிவான விஷயங்களை வசதியாக புறக்கணித்து தனக்குத் தான் தெரியும், மற்றவர்கள் யாருக்குமே என்போல அறிவில்லை என பலகீனமான பார்வையுடன் இருப்பவருடன் உரையாடுவது நேரவிரயம். மீண்டும் வேறொரு திரியில் வேறொரு சந்தர்ப்பத்தில் (அப்போதும் ஒரே புள்ளியில் சந்திக்க நேர்ந்தால்) சந்திப்போம்.

[JamesDap]

Don't try to justify it now as context. For even if you did, drawing a parallel between counterpoint and the names of notes is itself, ahem, unparalleled in the annals of internet discussions on music. And all the rest of your post is purely your subjective impression. There is no need for me to agree with you and I do not and further, just because you say so does not make you right. And any credentials you may have earlier laid claim to in the discussion, you have wiped out by displaying just how deep your appreciation actually is. It is said that empty vessels make the loudest noise. You indeed cannot be equated to other bloggers, no doubt.

[JamesDap]

Let us not discuss about technology related developments . they are pure imaginative expressions.

And can you, once again, please enlighten us as to how use of counterpoint or complex chord progressions would be considered technology related developments? I beg of you to please let us know whether you have the slightest inkling of what you are talking about. If anything, Rahman was the technological trendsetter while almost all the advances Ilayaraja brought about were based on musical concept. It appears from the tone of your discourse however that these advances went right past your limited imagination.

[Gopal.s]

வெங்கி,

முன் முடிவெல்லாம் ஒன்றும் கிடையாது . Typical Attention -Deficit Syndrome .

ஒரு மரபு கவிதை எழுதி பார்க்க மாமுன் நேர்,விளமுன் நிரை என்று கூர் தீட்டி கொண்டிருந்தேன்.ஒரு நாவல் வேறு முனைந்துள்ளேன்.(Refined puyalil oru thoni)வேலை பளு வேறு.

நானும் பிறகே சந்திப்பதாக இருந்தேன். மீண்டும் நேர்க் கோடோ,கோணல் கோடோ சந்திப்போம் .

மகேந்திரன் ,பழைய ராஜாவின் உத்வேகத்தை கண்டதாக சொன்னார்.

மீண்டும் இளையராஜாவின் புத்தெழுச்சி காண நானும் ஆவல் கொண்டுள்ளேன்.

[Russellhaj]

Illayaraja and I : Music Director Sharreth


Translated from Malayalam by a friend of mine, Rajeev Ramachandran
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Sharreth was recording some malayalam songs when he got a call from Ilayaraja's studio.At
first he could not believe and thought it was some prank call.Later he just called the same
number he understood it was raja who wanted him to sing a song for an upcoming
movie...Sharreth immediately left to saligram-Chennai to meet raja.

At the recording studio raja was sitting with his harmonium.harmonium at first had a casual talk
with him and then he started singing the pallavi of the song.He informed sharreth that the
raga is "Shuba Pantuvarali" which has a sad bhava,but wants sharreth to sing with a tinge of
arrogance in his voice.

As Sharreth was moving towards the recording studio to sing,the excitement of getting a call
from raja sir on one side and the apprehension whether he could satisfy the composer whom he admires/adores the most was on the other side.

As sharreth started singing,raja's fingers started moving in synch with the song and his face
brightened up! Sharreth who was tensed,now started smiling and as the song went well,raja also smiled along with him,leading to a very happy ending.Raja asked sharreth "Where was he all this while" and why is that he failed to understand his talent all this while"?

Sharreth could not control his emotion and tears came out of his eyes.He recalled the days
when he wanted to become a playback singer and had visited raja's recording studio umpteen
times and had to return back without even getting a chance to see him"except that his footwear had torn,nothing materialized...Though he did not mention all this to raja sir.

Raja held sharreth close to him and then took a snap!Requested sharreth to come next day.

Later next day,raja asked sharreth if he will take the gift that he offers him,but sharreth
politely replied with folded hands that "singing a song under him is the greatest gift that he
can ever get!",however raja gifted him with a "Navaratna Ring"--Golden ring!

Sharreth will be singing for Bala'next venture as well.So his aspirations of becoming a singer
had blossomed and that too under raja's composition.