Reservation system

[Shakthiprabha.]

rajasaranam,

DOWN TRODDEN ppl whom u mentioned are CLEARLY BELOW POV LINE.

This is what is my view too. SUCH PPL SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED.

When reservation is BASED ON ECNOMIC STATUS.....THEN they would be covered automatically.

There are OTHERS IN FORWARD CASTES OR OTHER CASTES TOO, who are going thro poverty.

Castes should be BANNED.

If govt keeps encouraging this, based on demarking some castes in favour than other, then MORE CALAMITIES, VIOLENCE, BLOOD SHED are sure to happen.

CASTE IS STILL PREVELANT IN OUR COUNTRY beucase govt encourage it

BLOODSHED HAPPEN IN OUR COUNTRY BASED ON CASTE CAUSE politicians and govt encourage it

HOOLIGANISM AND RIOTS HAPPEN IN THE NAME OF CASTE CAUSE govt encourage it

POLITICIANS TAKE THIS AS AN ADV TO GATHER MINORITY VOTES AND DO NOTHING EITHER FOR THEM OR FOR THERS....... all because there is caste and govt encourage it.

INTERCASTE MARRIAGE SHOULD BE WELCOMED. DEFINITELY YES. For that LETS FIRST ERADICATE CASTE.

[dsath]

Got a forward on reservation :

Its humorous and sarcastic, but sadly misses out the whole point of reservation............

[rami]

IMHO, Govt should not reserve seats in Medical college, Engineering etc. But such people can be helped in other ways. Let Govt give monetary concesssions in fee etc. The Govt should provide quality education till +2 So that by the time they get out of school, thosse students should be able to comepetite with the rest in merit..

But reservation , having different cut-offs for different categories is all rubbish

[Shakthiprabha.]

rami, u talk abs sense.

[narayanan]

One idea I could think, is the schools should be categorized, based on the standard of education (results, pass percentage etc).

A minimum cutoff should be set for each category to qualify for admission.

My point here is, if a student has been able to get a good education at the school level, why should he/she qualify for community based benifits ?

Would'nt that be a better way of doing that rather than discriminating based on caste ?

[Chappani]

Dear Shakti,

I differ from you... I cannot accept your words

CASTE IS STILL PREVELANT IN OUR COUNTRY beucase govt encourage it

I would say it is prevelant because of the mindset of the so-called upper caste people.
Tell me how do the uppercaste people react to BC/OBC person who are qualified and in good positions, they readily accepy them and easily accomodate them. But a BC/OBC person with humble livelyhood, we just ignore them.

The only way I feel to eradicate the caste system is to bring up the socially isolated people give concessions and bring them up.

I think your opinion is biased when you tell concessions based on economics. We cannot compare two poor candidates one uppercaste son of a teacher and the other son of a BC/OBC involved in very humble work. The uppercaste boy though poor has some basic knowledge and guidance for him to improve in life which is not there for the other person.

Reservation exists even in a family. I have seen a family where there were two daughters. One daughter was very smart while the other was normal/ below normal. You should see the parents took very extra care of the challenged child just to see her on par with the other one. I think this outlook of the parents is correct and needs to be appretiated. They were least conserned about the family reputation and that what other's would tell about them all they were interested is to see their children on Par. If the government is following the footsteps of the wise parents it needs to be appretiated.

[Badri]

IMHO, Govt should not reserve seats in Medical college, Engineering etc. But such people can be helped in other ways. Let Govt give monetary concesssions in fee etc. The Govt should provide quality education till +2 So that by the time they get out of school, thosse students should be able to comepetite with the rest in merit..

But reservation , having different cut-offs for different categories is all rubbish

I fully agree with that point. Really, objectively, what does lower cut-off marks mean? Did the person in question get those low marks only because of lack of opportunity or was it due to lack of competence? How would you distinguish between the two? If it is lack of competence, then I shudder to think of that person becoming a doctor, or an engineer.

I mean, which of us here would honestly trust ourselves to a doctor who became a doctor not by merit but simply through reservation? You may be the most ardent supporter of upliftment of the so-called lower castes, and strive for equality, but would you take your daughter or son to a person who became a doctor thro' reservation?

I know full well that for centuries certain communities have been oppressed, while others lived off their blood and sweat. But the so-called upper castes don't have it easy anymore! It is a competitive world out there, and being an "upper caste" doesn't automatically ensure anything at all. In that sense, equality has already been achieved.

Then why further reservations?

Rami's suggestion of monetary help is far better than reservations!

[narayanan]

I think your opinion is biased when you tell concessions based on economics. We cannot compare two poor candidates one uppercaste son of a teacher and the other son of a BC/OBC involved in very humble work. The uppercaste boy though poor has some basic knowledge and guidance for him to improve in life which is not there for the other person.

Actually your example itself sounds one sided. A son of a teacher would sure get help and guidance from his father.

Well inspite of their parents' work, if the children have no better job than to study. Then those children do not need reservation irrespective of class, what they would need is financial help maybe.

I dont mean to say eradicate reservation policy, but the current policy isnt right and should be revised. Sure it is useful for the ones who cant afford the education, but surely it doesnt make sense for a well off OBC candidate to qualify for reservation benifits.

Tell me how do the uppercaste people react to BC/OBC person who are qualified and in good positions, they readily accepy them and easily accomodate them.

What you say might be true in the 50s and 60s when people were deeply soaked in it. But today nobody bothers, as long as you do productive work, who is going to ask your community background ? If the employee isnt competent enough and the employer terminates him, if the employee is gonna bring up caste as an issue, does that sound right ?

[crazy]

sorry for bringing this back into track
i just read about the students protest against gov increasing quota for the backward class in b'lore. it really changed my opinion!

i do beleive that india really need the reservation system, though it might have a negative side as well, but i was just thinking ............if there wasn't system like this at all what wil happens to those backward class? stil been walked over
for a country like India which have been in caste sytem for centuries, reservation system is the only thing that could possibly help these people out of their denied rights and equality!

[alwarpet_andavan]

Rami,
That forward is as casteist as it is scathing but kind of misses the point of reservations.

Firstly, lets dispel the "merit" myth, at least as far as medical entrance tests in TN are concerned.


Going `forward' in medical admissions?

By K. Ramachandran

CHENNAI, AUG. 22. Call it the success of social justice or fulfilment of the aspirations of the intermediate classes.

Students belonging to the Backward Class (BC) or Most Backward Classes (MBC) have taken 952 of the total 1,224 seats in 12 government medical colleges in the State (77.9 per cent).

The first 14 ranks in the medical admissions went to BC/MBC students. Even in the open competition category, five Scheduled Caste (SC) candidates have got into MBBS course this year.

Of course, these figures pertain to the original selection list based on 69 per cent reservation (meaning not counting the additional 14 candidates from open competition category admitted to MBBS as per a Supreme Court's order for implementing 50 per cent reservation.

These are candidates who would have got MBBS seats in case the 50 per cent reservation was implemented, but did not because of 69 per cent reservation).

In Tamil Nadu, BCs get 30 per cent reservation in educational institutions, MBCs 20; SCs 18; and Scheduled Tribes (ST) one per cent. The 1,224 medical seats then get divided into 354 for BCs; 247 for MBCs; 226 for SCs; and 13 for STs. The rest of the 384 seats are allowed as open competition, where everyone competes, regardless of community.

The final tally (original list with 69 per cent reservation) released by the Directorate of Medical Education however shows that only 28 students from the `non-reserved' or Forward Caste (FC) have got into government medical colleges, representing about 2.3 per cent. In fact, in the top 400 rank holders only 31 are from FC. In the top 100 rank holders only six are from the FC, 79 from BC and 13 from MBC.

High marks

Of the 395 candidates called for counselling under the open competition, 315 were from BC, 45 from MBC and five from SC category, clearly showing that these candidates have succeeded in getting very high marks that were good enough to get them into the much sought-after MBBS course without the benefit of communal reservation.

Even SC candidates have done better. A total of 231 candidates (18.9 per cent) got into government medical colleges, much higher than the 226 (18 per cent) seats normally reserved for this category.

BCs benefit

Salem-based consultant Jayaprakash Gandhi, who analysed the results, agrees that the BC candidates have really benefited.

There is every chance that a substantial number, say 80 per cent or more of those who benefited from the `improvement scheme' are BC and MBC candidates.

He wonders as to why FC candidates are not there. "Is it that they are no longer as competitive as they used to be? Or is that they are preferring other courses such as those in the Indian Institutes of Technology or all-India level engineering courses in Birla Institute of Technology and Science, Pilani."

Pointing to the tough competition among the different sets of people, Mr. Gandhi says the last ranked FC candidate got an overall score of 295.74 (in the first list); the last BC rank was 294.26, the last MBC rank 292.13, the last SC rank 287.56 and the last ST rank 274.13.

"The first FC rank was 15 in the main rank list and even that candidate did not turn up, as per the records available. Now the 19th ranked person is the first FC candidate to get into MBBS this year," he says.

Of the 28 persons from the FC, only three each were in the two top-ranked colleges — Madras Medical College and Stanley Medical College. In the Kilpauk Medical College, nine FC candidates have got into MBBS, four in the Thanjavur Medical College, two in Coimbatore, one in Chengalpattu, three in Madurai, one in Tiruchi and two at Tirunelveli. There are no FC candidates in the Tuticorin and Kanyakumari Medical Colleges.

Self-financing colleges

Mr. Gandhi notes that in the self-financing colleges (PSG Medical College, Coimbatore - 56 seats and IRT Medical College, Erode - 34 seats), the FC candidates have secured 18 seats, which again shows that BC/MBC candidates have outperformed their FC peers

Source: http://www.hindu.com/2004/08/23/stor...2308900400.htm