Astrological Knowledge for better and meaningful life

[Sandeep]

We have not been able to prove the scientific validity to UFOs as well as Astrology.

But there is nothing wrong in studying/researching about either of them. Because if you dont allow research how can these be proved scientifically.

Astrology (If you believe in it or not) is going to stay here for long. So why not research on it. After all it is older that most other subjects that we research on today and still remains popular.

[geno]

That author clearly states that he does not believe in UFO abductions.

That is my view too! I have stated that UFO's may be or may not be alien ships.

SETI (Search for extra-terrestiral Intelligence) project has been setup by the combined efforts of various leading nations - to identify and "communicate" with any "alien" intelligent beings.

SETI isn't some "obscure" research facility which is located in just one "highly guarded" location in US. It is a Joint-Ops by various observatories(Radio and optical telescopic) in variousl locations of the world.

There would have been a HUGE alert if they had found any REAL alien signals emanating - from distant galaxies.

I dont think they can miss an "Alien" UFO which enters the atmosphere of earth. Even if we accept such a probability - until clear proofs are presented in this regard in a transparent manner - "Alien" landings would continue to remain in the "unexplained" realms of science and not as conclusive incidents.

[Sandeep]

Thanks for the clarification and I agree with you on UFO. I also agree that Astrology has not been scientifically proved.

But I dont agree that Studying/Researching Astrology is wrong or should not be funded. Same with UFO.

[geno]

We have not been able to prove the scientific validity to UFOs as well as Astrology.

Ok we know that! But just because "Both" havent been proved by science - would that automatically mean that astrology has the same "theoretical" basis for a scientific study as the UFO phenomenon.


This clubbing of the 2 things is a malicious and clever attempt to give "scientific" credence to astrology!

But there is nothing wrong in studying/researching about either of them. Because if you dont allow research how can these be proved scientifically.

"Black Magic" too has been in vogue ever since the advent of "civilisation". Infact black magic, and sorcery etc. have been practiced by almost all anicient civilisations - and even now - almost all countries of the world have their own "variety" of black magic stuff!!

So, shall we make "Black magic" as a research paper in universities and better offer PH.Ds in that subject?

Astrology (If you believe in it or not) is going to stay here for long. So why not research on it. After all it is older that most other subjects that we research on today and still remains popular.

Astrology is based on the Communal and fundamentalist philosophies and thinking of the prevalent religious dogma - of any given nation.

SO, introducing "astrology" course in india - would mean only one thing :

Communalising indian higher education and thereby destroying secular and rational thinking and take us backwards to the archaic religious dogmatic time periods - which is nothing but a scandal!

And to think of funding this scandalous attempt of communal education with public exchequer funds is nothing but preposterous and atrocious and a retrograde step to anarchy and chaos.

[Surya]

India is a democracy.
India is the largest democreacy in the world. Astrology ought to be an elective, if people wish to take it.
Even if you think that Astorlogy is just superstitious, there are many people who belive in it. And there are many fake astrologers, who have no clue about this "superstition", and making tons of money by calling themselves astorlogers. If there was a degree that a person could get, then the rate of uneducated frauds calling themselves astologers would decrease.

Psychology isn't a Science, because there aren't many things that can be proven in them. Freud was called a perverted, dirty writer, when he first started. But now Psychology can be taken in College as an elevtive, if a person wishes. Same should be with Astrology.

[Sandeep]

This clubbing of the 2 things is a malicious and clever attempt to give "scientific" credence to astrology!

"Hey look he believes in god and supports it he is a fanatic, his intensions are malicious."

But there is nothing wrong in studying/researching about either of them. Because if you dont allow research how can these be proved scientifically.

"Black Magic" too has been in vogue ever since the advent of "civilisation". Infact black magic, and sorcery etc. have been practiced by almost all anicient civilisations - and even now - almost all countries of the world have their own "variety" of black magic stuff!!

So, shall we make "Black magic" as a research paper in universities and better offer PH.Ds in that subject?

Actually lot of research have been done on black magic around the world . Because if you dont research how will you know if it is right or wrong

Astrology (If you believe in it or not) is going to stay here for long. So why not research on it. After all it is older that most other subjects that we research on today and still remains popular.

Astrology is based on the Communal and fundamentalist philosophies and thinking of the prevalent religious dogma - of any given nation.

SO, introducing "astrology" course in india - would mean only one thing :

Communalising indian higher education and thereby destroying secular and rational thinking and take us backwards to the archaic religious dogmatic time periods - which is nothing but a scandal!

And to think of funding this scandalous attempt of communal education with public exchequer funds is nothing but preposterous and atrocious and a retrograde step to anarchy and chaos.

Your ideology seems to be "He wears thilak so he is communal"

I already made it clear that astrology was part of Modern Indian education before Joshi came in (I had given the list of indian colleges already). So you cannot blame him for "introdusing" astrology.

Then regarding public exchequer also I already told. There are more tax payers (especially the big payers) who believe in astrology that those who dont. If students want to research on any subject then it is goverments responcibily to support that.

Nobody seems to be that much conserned with research on "Shariath Law" or money spend on studying Biblical topics.

[Sandeep]

India is a democracy.
India is the largest democreacy in the world. Astrology ought to be an elective, if people wish to take it.
Even if you think that Astorlogy is just superstitious, there are many people who belive in it. And there are many fake astrologers, who have no clue about this "superstition", and making tons of money by calling themselves astorlogers. If there was a degree that a person could get, then the rate of uneducated frauds calling themselves astologers would decrease.

Psychology isn't a Science, because there aren't many things that can be proven in them. Freud was called a perverted, dirty writer, when he first started. But now Psychology can be taken in College as an elevtive, if a person wishes. Same should be with Astrology.

Exactly, if one wants to learn about astrology teach him that. Its that individuals right as a citizen of this country. If somebody tells me that I cannot study what I want to because someone wants to prove his "secular" credencials, then that is not what the constituition of India gives me as right. Since in India govt still keeps enormous control to itself it is the governments reponsibility to fund that.

I dont think there is anyone here who says that Astrology as a subject has no takers. As long as there is a powerfull desire to learn that subject the government has to provide facility for that.

[geno]

>> "Hey look he believes in god and supports it he is a fanatic, his intensions are malicious." >>

Now now! no need to get jumpy sandeep!

Clubbing of UFOs and astrology - as if they both share the same level of & same kind of "Scientific" basis - is malicious for sure!

Why are you "cutting & pasting" my opinion expressed in the context of comparitive scientific merits of UFO theory & astrology - to the "belief" of divinity??!!

You sure are fast becoming the "twister" of the forum sandeep!

First you said - Joshi did not try to introduce "astrology" as "Scientific" discipline and he did that only as a Arts subject.

Then when loads of links were given to disprove that contention, you then said - Joshi did not try to make "astrology" as a State-funded subject - and when that was also shown to be a wrong info - you started justifying state-funding of "astrology" teaching!

Your examples of "astrology" education prior to JOshi's malafide attempt - doesnt hold water since - they were part of the "Sanskritic" language teaching and also were purely private endeavors NOT funded by the state or the UGC.

But when people wanna fund the communal astrology mumbo-jumbo education - with Public funds - it is unacceptable.

As long as there is no "claims" of vedic Astrology being modern and scientific, and it being merely a part of the private expeditions of the sanskrit "reserchers" - and it being a purely private funded affair - we dont care about that.

Your theory of "most number of tax payers" being astrology believing people is a bad analogy.

If "Most number of tax payers" want to change any particular defence or foreign-policy or any other national policy - can that be done "per se" directly????

NO! it cant be! there are elaborate process and procedures involving these Nationally important and defining issues - and these cant be decided based on brute numbers on paper.

Your theory of brute numbers should decide issues goes against the very essence of democratic ethos and basic pillars on which a multi-cultural diverse society like india should function!

There needs to be a debate over the "credence" in the claims of these "vedic astrologic" claims - and it should stand the scrutiny of that public debate and enquiry.

It cant be just like that thrusted upon people without any attendant discussions in a democratic and secular spirit.

>> Nobody seems to be that much conserned with research on "Shariath Law" or money spend on studying Biblical topics. >>


Now where did that come from?!

This is exactly the problem with the sangh parivar lingo!

Jumping the "saffron" gun in haste!

[pradheep]

There is first of all a very wrong notion about astrology that planets control life of human beings. This is not the basis of astrology. Astrology is based on a pure science of experimentation, observation and inference of the fact that human life has similar pattern as the movements of planets. This means that by observing the movements of planets we can predict information about human life, because the ancient masters have seen the truth that, as is the human body so is the cosmic body (Yatha pindae thatha brahmandae). It took so many years for modern scientist to understand this. Just because modern science has no means to scientific validation does not mean that astrology is a superstition.

Look at this evidence....

Parry-Hill, Matthew J., and Michael W. Davidson , Florida State University. http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/j...f10/index.html.

View the Milky Way at 10 million light years from the Earth. Then move through space towards the Earth in successive orders of magnitude until you reach a tall oak tree just outside the buildings of the National High Magnetic Field Laboratory in Tallahassee, Florida. After that, begin to move from the actual size of a leaf into a microscopic world that reveals leaf cell walls, the cell nucleus, chromatin, DNA and finally, into the subatomic universe of electrons and protons.

Notice how each picture is actually an image of something that is 10 times bigger or smaller than the one preceding or following it. The number that appears on the lower right just below each image is the size of the object in the picture. On the lower left is the same number written in powers of ten, or exponential notation. Exponential notation is a convenient way for scientists to write very large or very small numbers. For example, compare the size of the Earth to the size of a plant cell, which is a trillion times smaller:

Earth = 12.76 x 10+6 = 12,760,000 meters wide
(12.76 million meters)

Plant Cell = 12.76 x 10-6 = 0.00001276 meters wide
(12.76 millionths of a meter)


Parry-Hill, Matthew J., and Michael W. Davidson , Florida State University. http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/j...f10/index.html.


This supports the very basic of astrology that our as is the living body so is the cosmic body, only the magnitude differs. So by looking at the micro we can deduct information about the macro and viceverse. So looking at planets which has a rythmic pattern, information about human life can be intropolated. This is just a tip of the iceberg that modern scientists have understood.

Astrology is a science where using indirect inference we draw conclusions. Since ancient masters have studied throughly the human body and mind and the cosmic universe, they have developed Astrology on these facts. To conclude, we fail to see astrology as a scince when we wrongly understand that planets control human life. But when viewed with the right understandign that we can use planetery movements to deduct inforamtion about human pattern of life, astrology is like any other science which draws inference based on indirect evidences.

Probelms is with us when we see bits and pieces without understand the whole picture. We are getting more trained to become "Right Eye" and "Left Eye" secialists and loosing the wholistic picture.

[geno]

"vEdic astrology" is something that completely dependent upon "religious dogma" which is underlying the entire "vedic" edifice.

What these "admirers" - of the "vedic" astrology are saying effectively is that - the "vEdic" religious concept is the best concept and others are flawed!

It is communally-loaded and motivated right from the basic premise to the inference!

In order to accept "vEdic" astrology - one needs t ounquestioningly accept all the "concepts" of "cosmos" and "nature" that these "vEdic brigade" proposes!

It's an elaborate hoax to fool the people and impose the "vEdic aryan theology" as the "best" in the world!