ISRAEL - Who have real right to it ?

**kannannn** · 20th July 2006, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Nakeeran

Originally Posted by kannannn

Thatcher was also against sanctions against SA.

Vested interests no ? For centuries , Britishers have dominated SA & it took a 24 year imprisoned Nelson Mandela to set things right !

Vested interests, because Communism was threatening to spread across Southern Africa and Brotherly Love. Thatcher even called ANC as terrorists.An interesting letter in the current 'Time' by a white South African: For decades there was propaganda that these people were terrorists, planning to kill us and today we are governed so well by the same people who have shown how racial relations should be..

Originally Posted by crazy

why cant hezbollah just release these isralis soldiers

Simple! Israel has scores of political prisoners in its jails. Hezbollah wants their release. Such prisoners were earlier exchanged for a kidnapped Israeli bussinessman. Of course, the soldiers' families don't have that kind of influence..

Originally Posted by crazy

f.ins. my palestinian friend she was totally glad that hamas came into power!
i asked her why and she said "whats the point in ceasifire, we dont need ceasefire............we need our land, the independent palestine. we dont want to live under the control of israel"

The irony is, the western powers (read UK and US), who shout about establishing democracy in Ukraine and Iraq, don't want to deal with Hamas, a democratically elected party. And Israel's reaction is all the more puzzling. They were the ones who encouraged the growth of Hamas to undermine PLO and Arafat's influence and now they want them to be disarmed.

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**kannannn** · 20th July 2006, 04:45 PM

-repeated post-

**crazy** · 20th July 2006, 04:45 PM

HOW PATHETIC?!

**podalangai** · 20th July 2006, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by manuel

It is said that the very next day after the formation of Israel as an independant state all the 7 Arab countries jointly went on War against Israel, is that true ? and were Arabs Justified in doing so ? can anyone who knows the issue through some light on it.

The background is that the UN came up with a plan to divide the area into two, one half for the Jews and one half for the Palestinians. The Arabs refused to accept partition, and all Arab countries declared war on Israel. Because of this, the partition plan was torn up and when the Arabs lost the war, the chance of having a Palestinian state disappeared. Most Palestinians fled Israel and became refugees in neighbouring Arab countries which forced them to live in refugee camps and refused to let them get citizenship or integrate into their society (except to some extent Jordan and Iraq).

**crazy** · 20th July 2006, 04:50 PM

USA AND UK........................the very democratic country

what they or what USA says is right, is democracy,is fair, is truth!

GOD BLESS AMERICA

**podalangai** · 20th July 2006, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by crazy

Israelites............i donno, iam not sure either, but they always has this idea of being "GOD CHOSEN PEOPLE", Good Lord, i dont get it at all.

Thangachchi, that is their religion, but the majority of Israelis are secular and don't take this idea so seriously.

Israel really wants a two-state solution today, with the Palestinians getting Gaza and a portion of the West Bank. This is not just because they are feeling generous. Most Israelis feel that if they do not do this, Palestinians will in some decades become the majority.

Palestinians, however, are not happy with getting just a portion of the West Bank, and they want the right to return to their ancestral homes in Israel proper. Many ordinary Palestinian people are prepared to give this up if they get something concrete in exchange, but because there is so much mistrust negotiating is difficult.

**podalangai** · 20th July 2006, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by dsath

If the P people want liberation, they should stop all this suicide bombing (which takes away the sympathy factor) and organize, equip and fight as an army one on one with the Israelis and defeat them.

dsath, this will never work. If it looks like Israel will be defeated, the US will intervene to save it. So much for being an unbiased mediator.

Originally Posted by kannann

The irony is, the western powers (read UK and US), who shout about establishing democracy in Ukraine and Iraq, don't want to deal with Hamas, a democratically elected party.

Kannann, what they say is that they do not want to deal with a democratically elected party whose ideology they dislike. This is not completely hypocritical. They applied the same standards to Austria when they had a racist party in power and excluded it from many EU institutions.

But it is still wrong to apply it to the Palestinians. The Palestinians did not vote for Hamas because they support its ideology that Israel must be wiped off the map. They voted for it because Fatah was completely corrupt and Hamas was the only option. The West should realise this and make some allowance for it.

**crazy** · 20th July 2006, 05:01 PM

whatever ANNA iam getting sick of this topic!

iam leaving

**podalangai** · 20th July 2006, 05:08 PM

Anyway, it is very easy for us to sermonise and moralise about what should or should not be done. I don't think we're in a position to pass judgment unless we actually live through the pain which Palestinians go through every day under Israeli occupation, or vice versa.

**kannannn** · 20th July 2006, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by podalangai

Israel really wants a two-state solution today, with the Palestinians getting Gaza and a portion of the West Bank. This is not just because they are feeling generous. Most Israelis feel that if they do not do this, Palestinians will in some decades become the majority.

Palestinians, however, are not happy with getting just a portion of the West Bank, and they want the right to return to their ancestral homes in Israel proper. Many ordinary Palestinian people are prepared to give this up if they get something concrete in exchange, but because there is so much mistrust negotiating is difficult.

Israel has never entertained the idea of the return of Palestinians displaced by previous wars. And the West Bank situation is serious. So many Jewish settlements have propped up in West Bank, that removing them will be one heck of a task for Israel. And Shimon Peres goes on TV and says that they are prepared to give most of West Bank back. Why most? Why not full West Bank? Until this attitude changes, Hamas will find supporters for its campaign.

Originally Posted by podalangai

Kannann, what they say is that they do not want to deal with a democratically elected party whose ideology they dislike. This is not completely hypocritical. They applied the same standards to Austria when they had a racist party in power and excluded it from many EU institutions.

Right. But the BNP still contests elections. Jean-Marie Le Pen does so too. What I meant was, they wouldn't have dealt with any government that didn't tow their line.