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[Akash]

I dunno if its rite channel to ask this!!

what is "Sevvai-thoosam" and y sevvai-thoosam ppl should marry to other "sevvai-thoosam" ppl..... i remember some one said that there will be a different component will be there in their bloods!! is it true??

[Rohit]

I shall apologise in advance if anybody finds what I am going to post below against his or her beliefs in astrology, believed to enhance human lives.

Why astrology is not a science proper but pseudo science, relying on post hoc fallacy and built around coincidental concurrences of events that occur at differing rates?

Astrology is a proven fallacy of associating two independent but concurrent events. Average human beings have superstitious tendencies of associating some observable facts that occur before or at the same time with the occurrence of events whose probabilities of occurrence vary depending on the nature of event but affect human lives. Otherwise occurrences are totally independent of one another but coincidental due the probabilistic nature of their occurrences.

Let us explore:

Let the events that affect human lives be H1, H2 H3, H4, H5, H6, H7, H8…Hn which represent naturally occurring events or phenomenon like earthquakes, floods, lightening strikes, births, deaths, love affairs, failures, successes, accidents and so on.

Let the associated probabilities of occurrence of these events be P1, P2 P3, P4, P5…Pn

Now let us assign some realistic values to these probabilities

P1= 0.5%
P2 = 4.0%
P3 =15.0%
P4 = 30.0%
P5 = 30.0%
P6 = 15.0%
P7 = 4.0%
P8 = 0.5%
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Pn = 0%

Now as we all know the fact that scientific laws of physics govern the planetary motions and orbital positions of our planets and their moons and thus also the special events involving them in eclipse, clustering etc. All these events occur at regular time interval and let the time of their occurrence in various combinations be denoted as T1, T2 T3, T4, T5, T6, T7, T8…Tn

If one attempts to sample all events H1, H2 H3, H4, H5, H6, H7, H8…Hn that effect human lives and then look at those planetary events that preceded in time or happened concurrently, one is bound to find all high probability Hns coinciding with some planetary events. One would easily find good correlation between high probability events on earth like earthquakes, financial problems, love affairs, work-related etc. and those events occurring in our solar system. However, one would severely struggle or fail altogether when one tries to associate or correlate very low probability H events like heavy floods, volcanic eruption, tsunami, massive meteorite hitting the earth etc. The reason is simple, all the Ps that occur at relatively much faster rates than the observable events in our solar system are easily correlated. Therefore, one would find it very agreeable to correlate the two events that are essentially independent but differ in their rates of occurrence when faster occurring events are being used for sampling.

The situation gets even worse if events were considered really synchronous, happening at different rates, one occurring at twice the rate than the other was. In that case, one should succeed in sampling the entire sequence of events, which occur at slower rate, but that is not what astrology is all about, it is all about finding reverse correlation. The sampling function itself becomes the sampled, which is carried out at 1:1 rate when their associated probabilities are essentially independent of the events in our solar system. Since, most probabilities involved are high enough for some one to formulate a seemingly predictive system that is purely based on post hoc fallacy.

[Sudhaama]

Dear Akash"

//.. what is "Sevvai-thoosam" //

What all I speak about is Indian-Astrology... so called Vedic-Astrology.. a part of Atharvanha-Veda... further codified and elaborated by Varahamihira ... as Jyothisha-Sasthram... a part of Ancient Indian- Heritage... irrespective of Religion.

There are several MISCONCEPTIONS as well as wrong interpretations or unfounded aspersions and the like... by various individual or group of Astrologers... thus making this highly Rich Human-Knowledge-Treasure.. into a Subject of Controversy.

One such Controversial Topic is this Sevvay-Dhosham... which is so seriously deemed.. as a DEFECT... only by Tamilians and Malayalees mostly

In fact I would like to hear from the Astrological-Scholars.. on this phenomena. But basically I explain here in the Common-man's angle.

You know Astronomically ... the Horoscopes are worked out on the basis of Time and place of one's birth...

...And one cycle of 360 degrees is divided into Twelve equal Sub- divisions or Segments of 360 / 12= 30 degrees .Such Segments are called "Houses" in Astrology.. Starting from the Lagna-House or the so called Ascendant-location as the First House..

Each house is pertinent to different aspects of Human-Life .. Like, Education, Occupation, Children, Marital-Life, Overseas-links, Health, Enemies, Sins, Virtues, Happiness, Gains , Losses.. Properties... and so on and so forth.

Each Planet is considered to influence a Horoscope by its inherent Character also... alongside its location

Out of all the Planets.. Mars is called as EARTHLY-PLANET... so to say Maximum relevant to Mundane Life... compared to all other planets...

...mainly for Earthly-pleasures... Properties... attitude of Boldness, Valour and courage to Combat the Vagaries and Challenges in Life by Reality ..etc

So.. in the Horoscope... if the Planet MARS is placed in any one of the following houses.. it is named as a Defect... CHEVVAAY-DOSHAM.

2nd House (Dhana=Money / Kudumba = Family / Naethra= Eye)..

4th (Sukha=Happiness),

8th (Maangalya=Long Marital-Life / Kashta=Difficulties),

7th (Kalhathra=Marital-match, Husband and Wife- Reciprocation),

12th (Bhoga= Earthly-Pleasures / Vraya = Losses / Moksha = Salvation)

Kataka- House... its Neecha-Sthaanam

// and y sevvai-thoosam ppl should marry to other "sevvai-thoosam" ppl...//

Here only there is Controversy and dispute... even amongst Expert- Astrologers .

But as a Common man... being an Open-minded Client... I am convinced on the Positive-side advocation...

... that it cannot be GENERALISED as a Dhosham at all ... just because Mars is placed in a particular House.. whatever it be... Because it is just one factor of approach to start with... but not to be concluded on.

Since there are several other factors too like the ownership, afflictions, aspects by other planets and their mutual relations etc....

I have seen several cases of Persons... especially Ladies... condemned as of Chevvaay-Dosham...

... but were Quite Contrary by Reality... being Happy without any such problems as contended to be as Defect... even pertaining to its placement in Horoscope..

I have found most of such couple matched on the basis of Same- Dosham of Chevvaay...

... practically seen..constantly at LOGGER-HEADS... all through Life... ever since Marriage..

Can we say that the Astrologer has helped by Chevvaay-Dosham factor?.

In my opinion, such half-baked arguments as DHOSHAM.should be condemned...

My personal recommendation is.... not to marital-match the Horoscopes on the basis of Chevvaay-Dhosham... which cannot be so generalised just because Mars is placed in a particular House... which can be a Subha-Yoga (Good-Luck) in certain aspects....

...and even if Mars is weak in a Horoscope.. due to its Debilitation as Neecha... it can be considered as the CONTRARY one to Dhosha...

... if it denotes NEECHA-BANGA-RAJA-YOGAM... a Royal Good-Luck.

In my Opinion... Chevvaay-Dhosham... should be treated as INSIGNIFICANT .

...and that we should consider the Horoscopes... on the individual overall character of the Horoscopes ... by the dint of PROPENSITIES, ATTITUDES, other Mind-Characters ... innate Strengths and Weaknesses by each planetary-placements, Planetary- mights, Aspects, Yogas (Lucks or Ill-lucks in different aspects) . etc...ONLY.

Mars... basically being a Warrior planet... INVARIABLY in every person employed in the Filed-forces of either the Police or Military ... we can find the INFLUENTIAL POSITION of Mars in their Horoscopes..... Incredible!!! ... but True.

So we have to remember that..

... TWO WARRIORS Cannot Ride on a SINGLE-HORSE... so called Family.

//.. i remember some one said that there will be a different component will be there in their bloods!! is it true??//

Even though Mars is called as a Violent-planet... connected with Injury, Surgery etc....

.. in my opinion... What you say...... CANNOT BE CORRECT .

However... I am anxious to know the Experts Counsels on these matters.

[Nichiro]

Hello Hubbers,

I was keeping away from Astrology topics on purpose.
When I posted my predictions that came true, I was ridiculed and hounded by some friends.
If you are interested, I can post my research papers in astrology which draw a parellel with modern science.

My research revolves around much maligned Rahu.

Nichiro

[Rohit]

r_kk,

Keep it up ! and keep posting more and more questions and enlighten us. There are lot more people like me out there, who dont rely on such false beliefs. And your questions are indeed food for our thoughts and make us think and not blindly believe. Please continue.

If I may add to what Roshan has contended.

One just needs to apply what one has; and soon one will gain what he or she doesn’t have. In the process, what one doesn’t utilise what one has, would soon get demolished and no questions would remain afterwards as, of course, nothing would be left that has the capacity to question.

And exactly that was and still is the precise plan behind the philosophies of non-thinking human machines and robots.

[Nichiro]

Dear Sudhaamaji,
I agree with you about chevvai dosham.
It is a much hyped dosham that has served the astrologers to make some money in propitiation poojas.
In my experience, Kuja Dosam people , generally have excess hormonal activity and are prone to quick temper.
7th Kuja and Lagna kuja are two places (12th Kuja also) where marital life is not smooth.

I have not read the whole thread so I cannot comment much.

Of course some intelligent usage of my signature has not escaped by attention.

Nichiro

[Sudhaama]

..... BLIND-SCIENCE ...and... LAME-RELIGION... for Life. ??? !!!

Dear Mr."Rohit"

Well-said...

//One just needs to apply what one has;//

Yes...Hidden-God... behind Nature.... has provided the Humanity abundant Means and Treasure EXTERNALLY...

... so as to exist and advance meaningfully ... worthy enough towards the purpose of Life...

... as also...INTERNALLY... SUPREME EARTHLY-MIGHT... Human-Wisdom

... so as to to DISCERN and chose the best amongst various options available to Mankind..

... as also chose the proper approach through the APT-DOOR suited to his Individual-Life- Principles.

//.. and soon one will gain what he or she doesn’t have.//

Yes.... One will REAP ... what He / She has SOWN... Gain or Loss the Outcome.

//... In the process, what one doesn’t utilise what one has, would soon get demolished//

Yes... but Not Demolished... (since the Demolishment is done by an outer power other than the Object)

... but will go in vain similar to a Milky Cow.. unmilked..leaving it waste...

//.. and no questions would remain y to question //.

Yes .. Mostly... Since Yet there are Several Questions of Human-Wisdom YET unanswered in Religion as Well as in Science too...

.. On which the Search and Research by the respective Scholars... persist.

// And exactly that was and still is the precise plan behind the philosophies of non-thinking human machines and robots.//

Yes... Yes... Yes... But behind such Non-thinking Artificial-Brains... there is an Organiser cum Monitor in a form of unseen Human-wisdom either pre-stored or working concurrently

To alleviate such confusions on the Wisdom-application.. the "Great Father of the Scientists".. Mr. Eisteine... has laid out a Formulae...

... a Science-Thirukkurlalh Proverb .. ( Seven-seas extent of HIGH SENSE condensed and micro-packed within a Tiny Mustard- Seed)...

Science without Religion is BLIND.
Religion without Science is LAME..

I still maintain the above statement by Einsteine as the CORRECT Original Version...

... unlike some people who advocate in the other way for Lame and Blind.... on which there was a volley of arguments by the then Scientists with Einsteine after his utterance... but finally reiterated by the Originator confirming as above.

There are points to argue on both ways... But for those who know the context under which the aforesaid proverb emanated... I need not elaborate ... nor clarify

Because they can easily understand and appreciate the practical- sense intended for application in Human-Life... ETERNALLY.

In brief... a BLIND-Science (being a subject entirely based on Reasoning... palpable within the bounds of Mankind)

... cannot proceed further... beyond certain Stage ...getting blocked... being DEPENDANT on others even for Self-care-needs...

Religious approach can only SEE and SHOW... the Goal... but cannot Reach it.... being LAME.

There arises mutual helps of Lame and the Blind.

...the Religious approach of Optimism based on Faith and Confidence (which may sometimes be UNFOUNDED bereft of Reasoning too)...

...Yet... still... by the support of MIND-POWER more than the Brain-power...is QUITE IMPERATIVE and Inevitable..

....beyond such a stage... of LOGICAL- stagnation in the course of the process

Ultimately a BLIND-Science is able to cross a River.. carrying a Religious LAME on his Shoulders.... as Guide to Science..

...ensuring BOTH the Lame and Blind.. TO GET THEIR NEEDS SOLVED

So, the ASTROLOGY . a "Religious-Science (being coupled with Divinity)"... lacks Scientific Resoning beyond certain stage...

... such a Subsequent content being of Religious- nature...

..can be PERCEPTIBLE only by MIND POWER of Faith and Confidence, Enthusiasm, Dynamism

... and the like Human-Mind- Supremacy ... more than the BRAIN-POWER

In brief... in case of Astrology too... the Mind-Power by Faith and Confidence guides the Mankind

... being carried forward by Reasoning Brain-power... coupled with Physical Energy

... to IMPLEMENT the Guidance -plan directing towards the Goal by Mind

[Sudhaama]

... Vasishta's PREDICTION on Rama- Pattabhishekam FAILED?

Why? and How? ... in Ramayana... the Scholar- Sage Vasishta's prediction and his chosen Muhoorththam for Rama-Pattabhishekam utterly failed?

No.. it did not Fail... One important point we have to remember on Ramayana... that the whole Life-History of Rama was PRE-WRITTEN by its author... the Hunter-turned Sage Valmiki.... which was enacted strictly conforming to the Events and Utterances by all ... rather each and every character... including Vasishta-maha-rishi.

So Vasishta duly plays his role effectively... ENACTING as the Kula-guru... chose the best possible time... the next day... available within the impending week.... for Pattabhishekam.

In the course of the previous week, Dasaratha laments to Vasishta... (his most trusted person and also Guru).... on his inauspicious oft-repeated Night-dreams in his sleep... indicating his near-future Death... alongside separation from his affectionate Son Rama.

Vasishta cooly replied... "Whatever is One's Fate... he has to confront"

Then Dasaratha says..." If so before I leave the Earth ... let me complete my duty of entrusting the Throne of the Kingdom to my Son Rama... lest it may lead to turmoil after my death.

Saying so he called for the Advisory-Eperts meet... and feels happy and elatedto know of ther unanimous support for Rama... totally concurring with Dasarathaon the urgency too.

Then Vasishta was called to choose a Muhoortham. Accordingly the Guru keenly studied all the Horscopes of the Ayodhya-Country, Dasaratha, as well as of Rama too... and declares...

"Alas... Dasaratha... a very bad period is forthcoming for the country as well as you and Rama too... His Horoscope shows that he will leave the Kingdom to Forest as a Sanyasi"

"Oh! Is it so.. then let us crown him at the earliest so that such inauspicious events can be prevented by the luck of Rama... since his Horoscope is the luckiest ever in the world. Find out the eraliest Muhoortham"... Dasaratha.

"Although ... "NOT THE BEST AND APT".... Right tomorrow early morning prior to Sunrise... seems somewhat better than all other forthcoming days of three full months..."

"Then Go ahead"... commands Dasaratha to all concerned.

Vasishta knew well... that the Muhoortham he fixed was NOT FOR THE PATTABHISHEKAM...

... but an Auspicious time to commence the 14 year Vow of Forest-Stay by Rama ....

... Which No doubt FAILED TO THE LEAST... but successfully FULFILLED.. conforming to the Purpose of Ramayana.

[r_kk]

Dear Mr. Sudhaama,
your responses are again based on mythical stories. Why can't you take up some verifiable incidences.

[sangai_j]

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