Maestro ilaiyaraaja news & titbits

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Thanks Sunil

r_f,
Sari sir unga vazhikke varen.

Cheran - Desiya geetham was his second film after Bharathi Kannama. Yes, Bharathi Kannama was quite successful with songs also becoming hits. It was a film about 'paasam' between brother and sister. In his second film, Desiya Geetham, he opted for a political subject that too it was little bit against the then Chief minister MKK. We even know the history how this film was abused by the political party. So there itself lies the problem. Still he got Filmfare award for Best director. What can Maestro do here? After that he went back to other MDs like Bharadwaj for Autograph (again a love and safe subject), Sabesh Murali for Thavamai thavamirundhu. He was very successful as a director then. As per your jinx thing, after he came to Maestro for his second film, he should not be a successful director after that, right? And that again in 1998 where Maestro was past his peak (according to you all). But after that only his two biggest hits came. Can I take this positively because he worked with Maestro in his earlier film, that's why he got his biggest hits in his career.

Again he came to Maestro for Mayakkanadi. The film bombed because it was recap of all his earlier films, again Maestro cannot help there. That was in 2007. After that he started acting in more film like aadum koothu, pirivom santhippom, raman thEdiya seethai. May be there he lost the steam as a director. When he directed again in 2009 for Pokkisham, it bombed because the film was too slow (I liked that film). Again Maestro did not score for the film. Don't blame Maestro here. Now again, he is into acting more seriously. We have seen that in Yuddam sei, Muran etc.

So please don't blame/think Maestro for Cheran's career and his plot of films.

Do you want to talk about Agathiyan. OK
His only hit film was Kathal kOttai and to some extent gokulathil seethai. Both was in 1996. Just imagine if a director is having confidence in his music director, why is he jumping to another one? He already saw hits in these two films. Still he opted for IR for his next film, Kathal Kavithai because he thought for that script he needed IR. IR didn't disappoint, we know still everyone loves those songs. Unlike you said, this film was declared hit. You can browse through. After that he remade Kathal Kottai in Hindi named Sirf Tum. Everyone wants to get recognized in bollywood immediately right. Fame, money. Even after this loss, he wanted to do another Hindi film. Hum Ho Gaye Aapke. That was his decision, again why do you want to bring IR jinx here?

Do you still want to talk about Mysskin. I am ready. Please let me know. Please remember he gave super hit Yuddam Sei after his Nandhalala. He never disappeared.

I feel we are thinking too much negatively while there are so much positive avenues to think about Maestro. Whenever we are trying to dig and nitpick about IR (not his music), Why we are not thinking about how many producers, directors, actors have got their life because of Maestro. Even now, Maestro is behind every small producers and new directors. How many films he did for free. After his so-called past prime how many new directors like Bala, Balki, Susheendran have approached him and become successful. Even take Sathyan Anthikaad. He was with another director, after he came to Raja, he never went back. The period when he joined Maestro was in 2001 again past his prime, right? Suseendran also worked with other MDs before coming to Maestro. After that also, he is still there. Same way GMV too. No worries. They all are clever guys.

Also regarding GVM, his last film already bombed or atleast it was not a hit. Please don't bring jinx here saying that since he already thought about Maestro for his next film while he was doing nadunisi naaygal, that's why NNN bombed.

[Plum]

The judgement about IR not living up to hit-status of GVM is not a doubt on I'm but the lower standards demanded by today's youththu and even seasoned TFM fans - who, basically have an urge to sound "I am moving with times; open-minded; not fan boy; hence I I will accept any trash that comes out now and establish my still I am yeng credentials". This crowd has lower standards and goes with the trend and dismisses ir as uncool. We have seen clear examples in this very forum recently. Therefore, mozart's 25th symphony mAdhiriquality and catchoiness IR kuduthaalum indha gumbal will say uncool only. Indha gumbal is the dominant consumer these days. Therefore the fate of this movie is pre-detewrmined to be flop. Hidden gemsngaradhaiyE insultnu ninaikkum indha gumbal irukkaRa kAlathula namma TFM fansO irukkOmE adhu namma thalai ezhuththu

[V_S]

"Hidden gemsngaradhaiyE insultnu ninaikkum indha gumbal irukkaRa kAlathula namma TFM fansO irukkOmE adhu namma thalai ezhuththu"
Well said and very well put Plum! Can't believe this but.

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adadA, why this negativity?

I'm 200% sure of getting at least a veRRi vizhA if not a agni natchaththiram

IMO, en iniya pon nilAvai ippadikkoNdAdum oru ALAl rAsA kitta irundhu class+mass vAngAmal irukka mudiyAdhungOv!

Plum, who knows, with the kind of acoustic guitar inclinations of Gautam, we may even get some eeravizhikkAviya stuff!

Contrary to many here, I'm increasing my expectations full ekiRal!

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makkaLE, from the continuous blues from 1992 of people leaving IR, we got a tremendous reversal of a "HJ-ARR" loyalist coming to IR fold!

That too not a loser - someone riding on success!

Time to celebrate yAr - enna ippadi orE pulambals

[RR]

Curiosity question - how many TF directors have come to work with IR AFTER they did a movie with ARR?

And who are they?

(To my knowledge, there is none...the directors who left IR and went to ARR never came back, even when ARR was not available or wasn't interested anymore to work with their duds, they went to Deva / VS / GVP kinds but never back to rAsA. Same case with people who started with ARR.)

That way, is Gautam taking a rare step

App,

I think few already tried. There was grapevine that ManiRatnam asked IR for Iruvar but he refused. So it could be the case that IR was not keen on these parties.. In that sense, it may be IR who is taking a rare step..

raja_fan, On films flopping, there are so many factors influencing it. Can't blame just music for that.

Anyway I'm only interested in great music (not just 'good' ones like Dhoni) - which will hopefully become a chartbuster. As you guys said, both GVM & IR should know what's at stake, so let's be open-minded and hope for the best.

[Bala (Karthik)]

I think apart from (or rather than) the "i'm cool/yeng" syndrome, it's an attempt to be "i like good music no matter who gives it", or to be perceived as someone with that attitude (athichuvadi). Actually i don't necessarily mean "attempt" in a dismissive tone, as in some people might actually keep trying to like or find good aspects in all music - akin to fan-boys (including IR's) trying to repeatedly listen to their idols album and kind of force themselves to like it.
To me, the problem with such kind of "equanimity" is that it betrays a lack of passion in music appreciation. Vithuvaan thathuvaan-a irukkanum nu avasiyam illa. Aaruvakkolaarum, isai pasiyum irundha podhum. Usually, with passion comes a natural tendency to discern. And it is this discernment that separates an HJ composition with the Maestro's (at least for us). I'm not talking about mere fan-boy positions which summarily dismisses every "other" there is. Not to say all HJ compositions are bad. IMO, some HJ comps might even be > than some of Raaja's, adhu vera vishayam but degree nu onnu irukkulla? If you can't identify that signature that sets your favorite apart, then the loss is yours - whether it is Raaja or MSV or Rahman. Apparam fan nu eppadi sollikka mudiyum? avanga signature, style, technique (big word but namakku purinja varaikkum), impact - idhellaam unaraama "all are good/equal", "i'm neetral" nu solradhula enna perumai?

The judgement about IR not living up to hit-status of GVM is not a doubt on I'm but the lower standards demanded by today's youththu and even seasoned TFM fans - who, basically have an urge to sound "I am moving with times; open-minded; not fan boy; hence I I will accept any trash that comes out now and establish my still I am yeng credentials". This crowd has lower standards and goes with the trend and dismisses ir as uncool. We have seen clear examples in this very forum recently. Therefore, mozart's 25th symphony mAdhiriquality and catchoiness IR kuduthaalum indha gumbal will say uncool only. Indha gumbal is the dominant consumer these days. Therefore the fate of this movie is pre-detewrmined to be flop. Hidden gemsngaradhaiyE insultnu ninaikkum indha gumbal irukkaRa kAlathula namma TFM fansO irukkOmE adhu namma thalai ezhuththu

[Plum]

Bala, I meant the latter part of your post only. Neetral statuskavendi kaNdadhaiyum rasikka manasa pazhakkikkaRadhu. DiscriminationgaRa important attribute-a negativeA pAkkaRadhu.

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Bala, I meant the latter part of your post only. Neetral statuskavendi kaNdadhaiyum rasikka manasa pazhakkikkaRadhu. DiscriminationgaRa important attribute-a negativeA pAkkaRadhu.

wow! exactly, Plum nuch'nu solliteenga

[P_R]

If you can't identify that signature that sets your favorite apart, then the loss is yours - whether it is Raaja or MSV or Rahman. Apparam fan nu eppadi sollikka mudiyum?

vaasthavam dhaan. konjam munaippA contemporary music kEkkaNum. Mainstream-ai vittu vilagi irukkuRa current IR albaums thodarndhu kEkkaNum. michchadhum kEkkaNum. appo dhaan uruppadiyA opinion form paNNa mudiyum. Highly popular, TV-FM repeat based hearing mattum irundhA oNNum solla mudiyAdhu. Basically I am sOmbEri.