The Golden Era of Dr.IR and Dr.SPB

[kiru]

V_S ..agreed on the orchestration.. must be the lyrics that is misleading us ..even if you think the tune is modern..
Here is an excerpt from Dire Straits' lyrics's - replace trumpet with accordion

"And a crowd of young boys they're fooling around in the corner
Drunk and dressed in their best brown baggies and their platform soles
They don't give a damn about any trumpet playing band
It ain't what they call rock and roll"

[genesis]

Can we have this liberty with other composers? Please think about it for a moment.

Yes I do. I not only reject some songs of most composers; I reject most songs of few composers (I do not even give it a try).

There is nothing wrong in going for the best!! Just because I declare myself an IR fan, I do not have to take everything he has to offer. If I do, there is no difference between me and the followers of political leaders who blindly trust their leaders. This kind of "unquestionable" loyalty will lead to disaster in most cases.

[V_S]

I think you quoted only the portion you want to answer. But the main question lies in what you have not quoted. I am not even talking about his unknown/rare songs. That's why I told even if we skip more than half of the songs, we have enough to enjoy. Still we complain even from his best compositions (chinna thambi, a case here) which was hailed all over, is only possible only for IR and his fans. That's what my point is. I never told you have to blindly follow all that he offers. Even I cannot do that.

[V_S]

kiru,
Here is the lyrics. I am not sure what you found as misleading. The challenging part of the lyrics is you cannot put longer words as the structure of the tune is little uneven and short. The uneven part gives the sweetness in the tune also. You can find this in charanam portion. Given this challenge the lyricist has come out well with rhythmic words with good meaning fitting the sandham perfectly. I sounds well with the tune. The sandham, meter'kku matter, matter'kku meter ellam ellam perfect . Please let me know what else is contradicting/mis-leading in the lyrics, which you cannot enjoy fully. The interludes again are just fabulous.

கேளடி என் பாவையே
ஆடவன் உன் தேவையே
மோஹம் கொண்ட போதும்
தாகம் வந்த போதும்
ஆண்மை தானே காவல் காக்க வேண்டும்
ஆசையோடு அள்ளி சேர்க்க வேண்டும்
ஆண்மை தானே காவல் காக்க வேண்டும்
ஆசையோடு அள்ளி சேர்க்க வேண்டும்

தன்னை தானே சுற்றி வாழும் பூமி போலே (beautifully written)
என்னை நானும் சுற்றி வந்த வாழ்விலே (beautifully written)
நித்தம் பூமி சுற்றி ஓடும் சூரியன் போல் (beautifully written)
பாவை உன்னை நானும் சுற்றி வந்ததேன்
ஒன்றில் ஒன்று சேர்த்து வைக்கும் சாமிதான் அம்மா
உன்னை என்னை சேர்த்து வைக்க கோபம் ஏனம்மா ஹஹா
ஒன்றில் ஒன்று சேர்த்து வைக்கும் சாமிதான் அம்மா
உன்னை என்னை சேர்த்து வைக்க கோபம் ஏனம்மா
என் சொந்தம் நீ
என் சொர்க்கம் நீ
இணைந்திட வா
கனிந்திடு
கலந்திடு
இன்பம் பொங்கும் என்றுமே

கானம் பாடும் வீணை நாடும் வாடலாமா (beautifully written)
மீட்டும் வேளை ராகம் இன்றி போகுமா (beautifully written)
வானம் பார்த்த பூமி போல ஆகலாமா (beautifully written)
தென்றல் தேடும் பூவை போன்ற பூவையே
சேவல் இன்றி பெட்டை ஒன்று வீணில் வாழுதே
காவல் இன்றி கன்னி இங்கு கானம் பாடுதே
சேவல் இன்றி பெட்டைஒன்று வீணில் வாழுதே
காவல் இன்றி கன்னி இங்கு கானம் பாடுதே
நினைத்தது
நடந்தது
தொடர்ந்தம்மா
சிலிர்த்தது
சிலிர்ந்தத்து (I doubt this word)
இன்னும் இங்கு வெட்கமா

[genesis]

Still we complain even from his best compositions (chinna thambi, a case here) which was hailed all over, is only possible only for IR and his fans. That's what my point is.

Sorry V_S - I have to disagree about CT. It may be better composition than most Deva songs or all SAR songs, but I have no doubt in saying CT is NOT one of his best!!

[Plum]

Mr Genesis - don't change the goalposts and take the high horse. Neither is V-S a blind worshipper nor are you an englightened music (loving) messiah. You clearly questioned the hit status of Chinna Thambi in your initial posts - not the quality of it. Later you backtracked with the intellectual dishonesty typical of such claimers - and something that annoys me to the core in people. Now you are throwing smokescreens about blind worshipping. Abominable!

[jaiganes]

Yes I do. I not only reject some songs of most composers; I reject most songs of few composers (I do not even give it a try).

There is nothing wrong in going for the best!! Just because I declare myself an IR fan, I do not have to take everything he has to offer. If I do, there is no difference between me and the followers of political leaders who blindly trust their leaders. This kind of "unquestionable" loyalty will lead to disaster in most cases.

illai oru paechukku kaekkaren.. appdi enna disaster nadandhudum? avanavan rasippu avanavanukku.. hubbai dhaan kattam katti kodu kizhichu pirichaache..

[Plum]

1. App - youtube keladi en paavaiye. It is the surprise mumbai song that MS alluded to. Trust us and enjoy the surprise 2. I agree with aff_eng - this song is somewhat unIrish. The accordions and arrangement in genral sort of refer Hindi composers that IR normally doesn't do reference of - Viz. Shank-Jai and OP Nayyar. 3. The tune is very weak and lacks melodic attraction, all of which add up to an average song by IR standards, especially when placed next to Kaadhal Kavidhaigal, Thaalattum Poongatru and the under-rated naadham ezhundhadhadi, which app is not going to discuss in this thread

[Plum]

Not to mention a riotous Devadhai Pol, which withstood murderous attack from the inside from Mano, Arunmozhi etc.

[genesis]

Mr Genesis - don't change the goalposts and take the high horse. Neither is V-S a blind worshipper nor are you an englightened music (loving) messiah. You clearly questioned the hit status of Chinna Thambi in your initial posts - not the quality of it. Later you backtracked with the intellectual dishonesty typical of such claimers - and something that annoys me to the core in people. Now you are throwing smokescreens about blind worshipping. Abominable!

Never questioned the hit status of CT songs - please do not misquote.