World Cricket II

[wizzy]

Philandavar would be a good start

[Plum]

No, AF. As you say, Phil, Devon, Gladstone etc were immigrants from the Carribean. In the sense, their parents/grandparents immigrated so there can be no doubts about their quallification to play for England.

Obviously, any good black/coloured South African will be gobbled up by the affirmative South African Board so they have no need to emigrate to England. This is unlikely to happen in the near future.

But, to their credit, England did play Basil D'Oliveira, a coloured South African, who, in tune with apartheid in his country, was denied by his board and emigrated to England. Dont imagine that he was welcomed with both hands, though. He wasnt selected for a Saffer Tour in due deference to the Saffer government but was later selected to play after a lot of controversy from maNNin maindhars of England. But, to their credit, a small bunch of Englishmen were courageous enough to give him the chance. This kind of corroborates Feeyar's point - and he probably doesnt know this story - but I am fair enough to give him the artillery that he doesnt know he has.

[wizzy]

avru mixed ache..any other true blood Afrikaans represented Eng?

[P_R]

Let's wish ECB some initial success in this so that they go with the arasan T20 abandoning their purushan Test Cricket. appO indha feeyar, English test cricket loverslAm epdi behave paNdrAngannu pAkkalAm. oNNu nadakkAdhunnu(England will give preference to T20)-nu nenaichu neRaiya extreme position eduthuttAnga - let's see epdi thirudanukku thEL kottinA mAdhiri nadandhukkaRAnga when the chicken come home to roost

Will drop like a hot potato. Simple.


Kiumble, Dravid. Sachin ellAm T20 aaduradhai ellAm oththukkavE mudiyalai. idhellAm oru format-nu kaari thuppittu varavENdaamA.

[P_R]

Oh...next allegation racisaumA
adhAvadhu Tsotsobe thangachchiyai eduththaalum thappu, edukkAttiyum thappu.
nallA argue paNreengappa

[P_R]

But, to their credit, a small bunch of Englishmen were courageous enough to give him the chance. This kind of corroborates Feeyar's point - and he probably doesnt know this story - but I am fair enough to give him the artillery that he doesnt know he has.

sabaas...nallavarundreenga.
(oru aLavukku kadhai theriyin)

aanO bhadhrahA krathavO yanthu vishvathahA - let good things reach us from all directions.
adhaan England hiring policy

[Plum]

Adhaavadhu naanga veLLakaaranai hire paNNa koodaadhu. Ninga yaarai vENA hire paNNikkalaam. Idhula "we take good things from all directions"-nu perumai vERa pEsuvInga? . Allow us to hire veLLaikAra fast bowlers. appuRam nAngaLum "aanO bhadhrahA krathavO yanthu vishvathahA" sollikkaROm


Other points to ponder: it was sat that time imply not possible for a Saffer coloured to get respect and a top position in England but Oliveira was absorbed. By your defn, that is odd. Since there was not much record of Coloured saffers pozhaippukkAga England vandhing and rising to the top, by your logic Oliveria shouldnt have been absorbed in the national team but he was - and you seem to be proud of the fact today. Yet you argue against a similar situation in India.

Adhu nadakkalaam - India shouldn't recruit de Lange? (You thought I was giving you a free hit with Oliveira ? ). Englishmen who weren't doing great in Britain coming to India in search of fame and fortune - idhellaam 18th centurylErundhu nadakkaRadhu dhaan. Enna oru 64 varushamA konjam koRainju irukku. So idhuvum natural dhaan. VaralARRai puratti pArungaL amaicharE!

[Plum]

Also, there was huge resistance to Oliveira in England, which corroborates my and wizzy's and AF's point."Unnatural" things keep happening and then become natural over a period of time. So, do you want to be like the small Englanders who resisted Oliveira in the name of Tradition or like the minority honourable Englishmen who fought for his inclusion, and changed the thought process of a society? Today, England has far more liberal men who think - or possibly, publicly show like they are against; i.e possibly keep their dark desires to suppress black men to themselves - of apartheid as evil than otherwise. This wasn't the case in the 60s - Oliveira's inclusion was looked at as a snub of their Saffer white brethren by Little Englanders. It was really a few Englishmen who made the difference. Today, you are talking like those little Englanders.

[Plum]

Actually, nobody was unhappy with Defreitas etc playing for England. Infact, let's take Strauss. We don't object because he moved to england as a kid and was a product of the English Cricket system. In talk of natural immigration etc, you forget notions of fairness. T20 vishayathula unfairA iruppinga sari. TestslaiyumA? It is fair for a player whose parents or grandparents or ancestors or he himself migrated before his formative years to play for England - but what England is doing is cynically exploiting this to steal players from other countries. This is just like corporate and club culture - which you think should not be mixed with Test cricket. You are actually going against your own ideals in your England Cricket mOham. You don't subscribe to your own notion of fairness. That's how pathetic your state of mind is.

[ajithfederer]

Yov yov . Unake overaa illa.

That was just line of thought. Idhu varaikkum argue pannadhukellam neer ozhunga vilakkam kodutha madhiri.

Oh...next allegation racisaumA
adhAvadhu Tsotsobe thangachchiyai eduththaalum thappu, edukkAttiyum thappu.
nallA argue paNreengappa