Sindhanai Selvar Dr.Kamal HaasaR - favourite movies,scenes 2

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

Was the movie released in telugu simultaneously

Of course, and it also had a good run there

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

Can we change the title as Discussion on Mahanadhi & Hey Raam?

[equanimus]

venki, by commercial ppl here mean the ideas which sells the moviel/ which the viewers can buy...

Simple as that.

Equa:

Sakala mentioned : the Calcutta riots and the one which happens during cerfew

I just stopped at "Calcutta riots" and responded that.

Could you guys explain me the Calcutta riot scene in detail by the commercial aspect of it? Pretty interesting!

I wish you would continue reading (not just Sakala's post but also the other posts that has been written) rather than refusing to engage beyond your question on Calcutta riots. You haven't responded to any of the larger questions raised/points made!

But if you insist, it's not simply about how serious or heart-wrenching the scene is! To say something is a mainstream trope is not at all tantamount to doubting the artist's intentions as you seem to assume. You've been repeatedly arguing that it's disgusting to think of these as commercial elements, but the flaw is in the prism through which you view anything called "mainstream" or "commercial." Nobody said the riot scenes or the rape scene or what have you is inserted there as a commercial element or for commercial reasons. What is being said all these scenes are conceptualised using some mainstream conventions. Where there is an initial chase, suspense, shooting and so on. All Sakala says is that he found the sequence leading up to the rape engaging in a familiar way. I think this is readily understandable.

Anyway, the larger discussion is about the film. If you don't think it's a film that employs mainstream conventions, it's alright. My proposition here is, it's only by acknowledging the mainstream nature of the film and freeing oneself from superficial or downright silly constrictions (a la "oh but why does this sort of thing happen in what must really be a realistic film?"), one can truly get into the heart of the film.

[SoftSword]

Could you guys explain me the Calcutta riot scene in detail by the commercial aspect of it? Pretty interesting!

simple... andha scene ungalukku paakka interestinga irundhadhaa? perunpaanmayaana target audienceku oru scene interestinga irundhaa adhu commercial... by which ppl here just mean keeping the viewer engaged to the scenes...

[P_R]

Unlikeliness 'eeswaranOda leelai' illaama drama-vE kidaiyAdhu.
namba mudiyAdhadhai namba mudiyira maadhiri tharradhula dhaan kalaignan nikkiRaan 'ngREn

[venkkiram]

Calcutta riot scene koduththa impact-ai vida inge athai commercial enRa peyaril dissect panrathu payangara impact kodukkuthu!

[P_R]

Commercial-nA yEn 'ketta vaarthai' 'nRa range-layE maindain paNreenga?
To use another bad-word in the ilakkiya circuit- suvArasiyam.

padam suvArasiyamA irundhuchchA illaiyA? adhaan vishayam. Kamal is always striving to earn the audience's interest. He does not assume it is readily available.

[SoftSword]

super catch ya - swarasyam/interesting

[lydayaxobia493]

P-R...usually people r thinking commercial movie means masala movie...

[equanimus]

All this doesn't mean (to clarify what should be obvious) that I am suggesting that Hey! Ram is anything remotely like a full-on commercial film like Dhool or Ayan (or kAkka kAkka to intentionally include the likes of Gautham Menon who often tend to get a "clean chit" in this regard). It is indeed a serious, offbeat film but nevertheless one made in the mainstream format. Other than that, its failures at an obvious level to reach out to its audiences is well known to all of us. Which Sakala and PR have also captured here...

ஆனா எனக்கு, நான் சொன்ன இரன்டு காட்சிகள் தவிர்த்து, போரடிக்கவில்லை என்றாலும், ஏதோ ஆர்ட் ஃபிலிம் உணர்வு வந்தது. கடைசியில் என்ன சொல்ல வருகிறார் என்பது பளிச் என புரியவில்லை. ஆனாலும் சரித்திரம் இதில் எல்லாம் சற்றே ஆர்வம் இருந்ததால் கவலையில்லை.

'ஹே ராம்' ஓடும்னு நெனச்சு தான் எடுத்தேன்' ந்னு சொல்ல்லிருக்கார், ஆனா ஒரு தலைமுறையை தயார்படுத்தவில்லை என்றும் சொன்னாரே. ஒரு சரித்திர படத்தில் கூட, சண்டை, பிரம்மான்டம், ராஜா காலத்து அரசியல் என மக்கள் விரும்பும் விஷயங்கள் இருக்கும். ஆனால் ஏனோ இந்த ப்ரீ-இன்டிபென்டென்ஸ் காலம் நிறைய பேருக்கு பிடிக்குதா என சந்தேகமாகவே இருக்கிறது. இதுவே படத்தின் தோல்விக்கு காரணமாகவும் படுகிறது.

But I do believe he was let down in Hey Ram. My diagnosis has been the language. It had to be multilingual. Ad far as possible he had overcome that. MCC connection, thanjAvur maratha, Marina hotel waiter, Birla house servant -idhukku mEla oNNum paNNa mudiyAdhu.

I can imagine many people being confused about what's going on.

There is only one man responsible..Barrister Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi.
ai sabaas...nallavarundra

Yes, the subject itself is quite muddled for Tamil with a catastrophic event that doesn't resonate all that much with people in this side of the country, the multiple languages involved and so on. And Kamal did reserve some bit of primacy to his Tamil identity, so it couldn't be made a proper Hindi film either. In that sense, he perhaps intended a truly pan-Indian film that he hoped would succeed.