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[V_S]

Musical contributions by Maestro cannot be and should never be compared with others. In a way we are diminishing his talent by doing this. Whatever he is doing/has done is not something humanly possible at all and comparing his work with another human will never give a true picture. When we are talking about Jazz, if it hits you on face like it is Jazz, then there is no compliment to the composer (IMHO). Even I am including NEPV here. If it is straight from those genres, I may not like it, but I am very confident that Maestro will never do that. Just take that wonderful article by Vicky in solvanam. How brilliantly he showcased Maestro's skills in Jazz by just taking the rhythm aspect alone. Even in that rhythm, he only focussed on Waltz rhythm (3/4 time signature). With just rhythm aspect alone he could come with around 30 tracks (but it is not restricted to that). All done in 80's itself. Even in that 30 tracks, see the variations. Some were achieved with Tabla, some were with Drums, some were achieved with keyboard/piano (Jazz->rhythm->Waltz->Tabla, Jazz->rhythm->Waltz->Piano, Jazz->rhythm->Waltz->Drums). If you just change the time signature from Waltz to normal 4/4, you will get as many. But none of these compositions are tuned in Jazz (main melody). He always keeps these western influence away from the main melody, only supporting it in the ludes. All this is done without compromising on the nativity that is the biggest asset which many ignore.

Same way if we take his melodies composed in any particuar raagam, how many shades he has given in the same Kalyani or Natabairavi, which was already explored much in Pre-IR days itself. This is the real pushing of the envelope. He does not escape saying this raagam is already done. He believes there is still lot more scope to show the beauty/perspectives of this raagam. That's the confidence of any composer. Because we are composing only for Indian films. Same way if you take this instrument selections, with the same flute, violins and guitar, how many different interludes we have seen for various moods. He didn't shy away saying, I have used it many times. You take any perspective, you are bound to see his authority and the class. For all this, you need ample quantity of contribution to showcase any composers work and to prove the autority towards any genre, not just few here and there only to say he also did it. Just this quantity alone speaks of the biggest pushing of a smallest envelope. Just how a small seed containing everything it needs to become a giant tree. Once it is out of the earth it can take whatever direction it needs to expand without any limit. The trunk, every branch, every leaf and every flower has its own beauty, but we use it just for the shade and leave, not even looking at the tree.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

V_S, nobody compared. Compare pannura height layaa avar irukkaar?!? The opposite camp, and even the neutrals too may be disliking Ilaayaraja as a person but his Musical talent is like Sun and Stars whereas the other MDs of his and next gens can maximum be a light house.

There was no comparision, we just posted some striking examples of his jazz and other genre-based talents. When it comes to the other MD, I still have some precise questions to ask. Before that they locked the thread which is unfair.

Mods shud atleast open the NEPV-Digs Thread. Lets run a open poll. Those interested in re-opening the thread(may be with filtered content, which is OK) raise ur hand now! Me the 1st!

[KV]

Just how a small seed containing everything it needs to become a giant tree. Once it is out of the earth it can take whatever direction it needs to expand without any limit. The trunk, every branch, every leaf and every flower has its own beauty, but we use it just for the shade and leave, not even looking at the tree.

only v_s possible! kavitha kavitha

[prasad_subbu]

V_S,

Only from people like you, I could understand Raja has done so much. Or else, it is a normal listening for a commoner like me. I like his music and I know he has given them effortlessly and is naturally gifted. Other MDS work hard while for IR it comes easily with class.

But talking about IR so high, not humanly possible and all, I don't know how much it is true. Leave the current crop of MDs. The earlier MDs which IR himself admire like Naushad, SD Burman, MSV, Salilda.. should have done also great work for IR to admire them. Is it not true?

Then why IR is considered God. This I don't understand. To me he is alongside of those greats.

Continue sharing greatness of IR for a commoner like me in this thread.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

But talking about IR so high, not humanly possible and all, I don't know how much it is true. Leave the current crop of MDs. The earlier MDs which IR himself admire like Naushad, SD Burman, MSV, Salilda.. should have done also great work for IR to admire them. Is it not true?

Raja attributes his talent to the seniors u mentioned, no doubt. But Raja goes beyond comparison from even those seniors in lots of areas. It is kind of tough to explain that in words, but not impossible. It takes effort for somebody to make ppl like you get convinced. Actually those who attempt for that are ones who already have realized, not understood. But again it is very much possible to make ppl like u understand. Just one single album NEPV is not going to be enuf for that, inspite of that album being expected of great quality.

There are even composers who crossed 1000 films borders but nobody is being celebrated as Raja. But mask my words, one day will surely come, where most of those ppl( irritated by the feeling that Raja and his fans are too arrogant) too will understand the monstrous, incomparable, impeccable talent Mr.Raja possess.

As Prashan Jayatheepam (and few others, incl me) puts it, Raja is Somebody like Mozart Beethoven Version 2.0. No Single doubt in that!

Finally, the person who attempts to explain the masses the greatness of Raja will be one having both great musical tastes and technical knowledge of what music is. Only such a person can accomplish this.

[V_S]

But talking about IR so high, not humanly possible and all, I don't know how much it is true.

You know all this, I don't know why this question arises.

The quality and quantity speaks for himself and us. Has any human (leave alone composers) all round the world not just in India, could compose 60 whopping films with major hits and melodies and an average of 40 films per year for continuous period of 15-20 years covering multitude of moods, genres and painting drastically different picture of the task being taken in every possible minute opportunities. On top of just songs, add the Background scores of another 950 films which constitute of alteast 950 hours of music. This 950 hours of music if we divide by 30 minutes (as the average time of a soundtrack), it comes to 1900 films soundtrack. Add to 950 films, we get almost 3000 films. Assuming only 4 songs per film it comes to 12000 songs. Again these are not just another background scores, it is the benchmark in composing film scores. These are just about his film songs/background score alone. If we add his private albums, it will take you to around at-least 13000 songs. He is the only composer whose work has been analyzed by many.

Mind you, in every song of Maestro, you can find atleast minimum of 5 songs, with multiple genres. I will leave it you to calculate the total. You name any WCM technique, it is there in his composition. It is so complicated, very dense and throughly weaved, just like the thread in a silk saree. No diluted music. The genres he covered in his compositions is beyond anyone's imagination and in every genre he has not just tasted, he has ploughed deeply and thoroughly. He is equally talent in folk and classical in the same way he is talented in western genres. He is the only indian composer who is extremely thorough in WCM. He is the only music director who is so rooted and knows about each and every region, its tradition and music, without he needing to go to their places. It is all born inside him, before he was born.

He can write lyrics, compose, arrange, conduct, sing with absolutely no help from anyone (except for playing). All the ideas is contained in his single brain and he is the only composer (in the world) who is so spontaneous and prolific. He can write music directly without needing to play. He can even write the music in reverse mode. Since there is a time delay for his music to flow from his brain to his hand, during that gap much music is lost. All this is done in just a matter of 35 years and still going on strong. If this is human, I don't know what to tell. He is the rarest breed, you will never find one like him.

The earlier MDs which IR himself admire like Naushad, SD Burman, MSV, Salilda.. should have done also great work for IR to admire them. Is it not true?

Definitely true. He never forgets his forefathers and the path they have shown him. Even the same above music directors appreciated IR and his works so much.

To me he is alongside of those greats.

With due respect to yesteryear music directors, Please read above, on why he is different and stands apart. That's all I can say.

Those were just random thoughts, I have left lot many of his credentials. But let me stop and conclude stealing kiru's wordings (Thanks kiru). To beat a man like Ilaiyaraaja in music, it has to be another Ilaiyaraaja or a big team of composers/musicans/technologies all together, not just one single brain.

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

V_S, take my bow Sir

[app_engine]

There are even composers who crossed 1000 films borders

Who is this?

Please tell (and please expect the next requirement - the list of films to prove that claim )

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

It is all born inside him, before he was born.

If this is human, I don't know what to tell. He is the rarest breed, you will never find one like him.

To beat a man like Ilaiyaraaja in music, it has to be another Ilaiyaraaja or a big team of composers/musicans/technologies all together, not just one single brain.

This is why an Rationalist like Kamal Haasan openly says that he will accept God Concept, if that God is Mr.IlayaRaja.

This is why A.R.Rahman said that if Ilayaraja got his due compensation for his Compositions, he would have got enuf money to buy the Whole TamilNadu Real Estate Land.

This is why, a small, stupid human like me believe that God is There! கடவுள் இருக்கார்!

[sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar]

Who is this?

Please tell (and please expect the next requirement - the list of films to prove that claim )

Recently read there is a MalayaLam MD who crossed 1000 films and his son Madhu had done music for a recent tamil film. Movie Yet to release i guess, but album released. Even that album was lauded by some, as a good one for a debut MD. I even posted this in Songs of Open Road Thread. May be 2/3 months before. Don't remember exactly. But my post shud lie in that thread