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21st June 2012, 04:08 AM
#361
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genesis,
One composer's dominance can never take another's exit. That's where we differ. If we go back in history, during 80s, there are around 100 films made every year (and it was only increasing). IR started with just 30-40 films during late 70s till 80s (but gradually increasing). Only during years 1984, 85, 86, 92, 93 he crossed over 50 films. Other years it was only above 40. Considering 100 films made, there are 50% (that's plenty) of space (films) available that time for other composers every year during that time. That's why even Suresh ji was citing Shankar-Ganesh/Deva were making more films. He didn't hold others from composing, just that he didn't deny any offers went his way. Even after 50% of films available to others, we only say 80s is Ilaiyaraaja's period (so, it's not only about the quantity), just because they were more popular than others. IR dominated agreed, but he didn't deny others to dominate and he was not the reason for MSV's exit. MSV's songs were not that popular even though he did more number of movies in 80s (till mid-80s) than in 70s (if you observed closely). So, only MSV sir and people's taste (even if it is good or bad) should be the reason for his exit, not Ilaiyaraaja's dominance. I just quoted 1994/95 only because of your space concern. Because from that period till date, the number of movies by Raja came down drastically. It created more space for others according to you for any composer to come including MSV sir.
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21st June 2012 04:08 AM
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21st June 2012, 04:42 AM
#362
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That's right V_S. MSV could have continued to work on "unimportant" Tamil movies and some Kannada / Malayalam movies, as IR chose to do. For some reason MSV did not. May be, after 25 years, the next generation fans may claim IR exited in 90s, because his influence through the 2000s has been very limited on larger audience. (Even though HCIR fans keep coming with list of movie names...some of these names not even known to the wider audience).
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21st June 2012, 04:44 AM
#363
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After honestly replying you, this is what I don't like about your posts. I wasted my time replying you.
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21st June 2012, 05:38 AM
#364
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Last edited by genesis; 21st June 2012 at 05:57 AM.
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21st June 2012, 05:57 AM
#365
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Originally Posted by
V_S
After honestly replying you, this is what I don't like about your posts. I wasted my time replying you.
Well, I think we came back to the original issue (whether IR is the new MSV) and I told why I consider that way. And you disagree, that's natural.
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21st June 2012, 09:28 AM
#366
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Originally Posted by
genesis
That's right V_S. MSV could have continued to work on "unimportant" Tamil movies and some Kannada / Malayalam movies, as IR chose to do. For some reason MSV did not. May be, after 25 years, the next generation fans may claim IR exited in 90s, because his influence through the 2000s has been very limited on larger audience. (Even though HCIR fans keep coming with list of movie names...some of these names not even known to the wider audience).
wow - what a correlation genesis!!!
Two things that worked in favour of Raaja continuing well after the supposed "de throning" that ottu moththa thamizh naattu music lovers did to him after August 16th 1992 was his health+discipline and his dogged and anachronistic attitude of gracefully helping anyone who thought their movie needed his music. MSV OTOH was not having age on his side or health - otherwise he could have well continued making music and reclaiming the throne on which Raaja was unjustifiedly occupying. idhu eppdi irukku?
also your response shows your simple ignorance of the facts that raaja has been doing other language movies all through - not just after unceremonious drubbing in the match up to "throne of thamizh film music king". For your kind info MSV also has done his fair share of telugu and malayalam movies . eyes seem to be stitched tight - surgery dhaan pannanum.
Last edited by jaiganes; 21st June 2012 at 09:32 AM.
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21st June 2012, 09:46 AM
#367
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Yov stop respomdimg to 80s vayitherichal parties. Appo kavignar oruthar vaanginma Appu innum avangaLa baadhichitturukku - andha mana bRAndhila innum uLarikittrukkanga. Idhukku bheesmaru, dhronarlAm edhukku mallu kattaRinga. Indha uththara kumarargaL thangaL shadow pArththE bayappaduvArgaL. Leave them in their misery of decades and ARAdha vadukkaL.
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21st June 2012, 10:35 AM
#368
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Hypocritesa hypocritenu sonnA warningA? Ipditta foruthula post pandradhai va ban AgaRadhE nEl. How is it that gormless, agenda base illogical, venting posts by vested interests are allowed? Pongayya ningalum unga forumum!
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21st June 2012, 11:25 AM
#369
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21st June 2012, 07:01 PM
#370
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Originally Posted by
aakarsh
We need another movie by Manivannan (who used to buy gems of songs from such "in cans" movies)!
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