Vaazhappala Kaamedy Kalagam HO: NiRuvanar VaLLal Goundamani

[HonestRaj]

Kavunder and manivannan is quite a combo.

how can we forget.. "kabhiii.. kabhiii... mera dhillu mEin" ..

[tifosi]

watched this movie's comedy scenes few times earlier... it has the famous quote "appO enna ____'kku da neE nOoRu varusham vAzhanum.. ava avan 35 vayasuleyE vAzhndhu anubavichittu pOittirukkan..."

Yes that's a very famous dialogue. My favorite consulting scene is the token number previous to this patient where patient mentions about a problem and then Gounder takes the lead from there to quote 3 other symptoms (Kannu tappu tappunu adichikudha, mutti valikudha... etc). He builds up the expectation in such a way that patient is quite confident that doc will provide cure for all his ailments, now kounder does a complete u - turn (like Soru illa poda) and then says... 'idhellam enakku irukku... onnum panna mudiyaadhu'.


Digression

As I typed this, it reminded me of explanation of laughter (from a evolutionary context) provided by Dr.V.S. Ramachandran in a book by name Tell tale brain.


Any joke or humorous incident has the following form. You narrate a story step-by-step, leading your listener along a garden path of expectation, and then you introduce an unexpected twist, a punch line, the comprehension of which requires a complete reinterpretation of the preceding events. But that's not enough: No scientist whose theoretical edifice is demolished by a single ugly fact entailing a complete overhaul is likely to find it amusing. Deflation of expectations is necessary, but not sufficient. The extra key ingredient is that the new interpretation must be inconsequential. Let me illustrate. The dean of the medical school starts walking along a path, but before reaching his destination he slips on a banana peel and falls. If his skull is fractured and blood starts gushing out, you rush to his aid and call the ambulance. You don't laugh. But if he gets up unhurt, wiping his expensive trousers, you break out into a fit of laughter. It's called slapstick. the key difference is that in the first case, there is a true alarm requiring urgent attention. In the second case, it's a false alarm, and by laughing you inform your kin in the vicinity not to waste their resources rushing to his aid. It is nature's "all okay" signal. What is left unexplained is the slight schadenfreude (pleasure derived from misfortune of others) aspect to the whole thing."

End Digression

[P_R]

tifosi, adikkadi vandhu pOnga..

What is left unexplained is the slight schadenfreude (pleasure derived from misfortune of others) aspect to the whole thing

Exactly!

indha 'puNpaduthAdha nagaichuvai' aasamigaL-ta sollaNum.

[raajarasigan]

Yes that's a very famous dialogue. My favorite consulting scene is the token number previous to this patient where patient mentions about a problem and then Gounder takes the lead from there to quote 3 other symptoms (Kannu tappu tappunu adichikudha, mutti valikudha... etc). He builds up the expectation in such a way that patient is quite confident that doc will provide cure for all his ailments, now kounder does a complete u - turn (like Soru illa poda) and then says... 'idhellam enakku irukku... onnum panna mudiyaadhu'.

another dialogue on similar lines..

kaNda nErathula kaNda edathula nikkAthEnga.. kAthu karuppu aNdum... (a micro second pause here) "adichirathInga" we can very well dig more on this from annan..

[P_R]

thamizhnaattule indha maadhiri speaker reNdu dhaan irukku. oNNu en kitta irukku. innoNNu <pause> adhuvum en kitta dhaan irukku.

[SMI]

tifosi, adikkadi vandhu pOnga..
Exactly!

indha 'puNpaduthAdha nagaichuvai' aasamigaL-ta sollaNum.

Nathaan sonnEnla

I think your rasanai is close to PR's


http://www.mayyam.com/talk/archives/...nnan_Goun.html

And you said this:

Can imagine P_R saying... en range enna... avan range enna.... ennaiyum avanaiyum.... naan adhul illa da.....

"just before the above scene, GM will show reluctance to enter the house, however SR will cajole him to enter the house. Now GM shows his brilliance... with reluctance he will take two steps forward and immediately returns to SR and conveys him that they have agreed to evacuate. Sheer brilliance."

My top pick from the movie is the above scene. Only GM fossible....

Inga yaarukkum endha range vithyaasamum kidayaadhu , wanted to respond to this earlier itself, but some how got delayed

[SMI]

Thiyagu: ஏன்யா தனியா பேசிட்டு வர்ற
GM: கூட யாரும் வரலீங்க சார்

[SMI]

yaaru eversingh Ekaambaramaa
illa... innikku nursing naagaraajan aayittan

[tifosi]

tifosi, adikkadi vandhu pOnga..
Exactly!

indha 'puNpaduthAdha nagaichuvai' aasamigaL-ta sollaNum.

P_R... daily I am ஆஜர் ஆயி mute spectatora ella posttayum padichittu poven... inume post pannavum முயற்சி pannaren.

(அண்ணே முயற்சி பண்ணி பாருங்கண்ணே... பழனி சில நேரங்கள்ள நல்லதும் பண்ணற..., moment I used the word muyarchi...annan's dialogue flashes across.. words fail to express how his comedy has become integral part of my life)

If people don't look beyond GM's slapstick, then I really pity them. I am sure a threadbare discussion would have happened about his style of humor, but I haven't gone thru it yet. In my point of view, slapstick is used right from Tom/Jerry to what not... Charlie Chaplin/Vadivelu used themselves (self inflicted) to evoke laughter and our man used Senthil.

In essence, the brand has universal appeal, so why bother even to discuss about it...

More importantly, Charlie Chaplin uses the way he falls/hurts himself to invoke laughter, however, it has seldom been the case in GM/Senthil. It's always.. konjam thirumbu and then a KICK. Actually, we are more interested in the context of the 'kick' rather than the kick itself.

[SMI]

The dean of the medical school starts walking along a path, but before reaching his destination he slips on a banana peel and falls. If his skull is fractured and blood starts gushing out, you rush to his aid and call the ambulance. You don't laugh. But if he gets up unhurt, wiping his expensive trousers, you break out into a fit of laughter. It's called slapstick. the key difference is that in the first case, there is a true alarm requiring urgent attention. In the second case, it's a false alarm, and by laughing you inform your kin in the vicinity not to waste their resources rushing to his aid. It is nature's "all okay" signal. What is left unexplained is the slight schadenfreude (pleasure derived from misfortune of others) aspect to the whole thing."

Thanks for sharing. The above theory takes the right to laugh beyond what PR explained earlier (below). Those who dont like such comedy may need to respond to Dr.V.S. Ramachandran

இன்றைக்கு மட்டும் அல்ல. என்றைக்கும் பெரும்பாலும் நகைச்சுவையின் மூலமாக வலி தான் இருந்திருக்கிறது. வாழைப்பழத்தோல் வழுக்கி விழுபவரை பார்த்து நாம் சிரிப்பதில்லை. ஏன் என்றால் அந்த கஷ்டம் கண்கூடாகத் தெரிகிறது. ஆனால் பிற இக்கட்டுகளை இந்த அளவுக்கு பொருட்படுத்துவதில்லை. கிட்டத்தட்ட எல்லா சிரிப்புக்கும் பின்னால் "butt of the joke" ஆக இருப்பவரின் அவமானம் உண்டு. தோல் வழுக்கி விழுவதை விட பெரிய வலி அது. மறக்க விரும்பியும், மறக்க முடியாமல் நிலைத்து நிற்கும் நினைவு.

ஒரு சில கஷ்டங்களுக்கு மட்டும் நாம் சென்சிடிவ்'ஆக நாகரீகக் கோடு இழுத்துக் கொண்டு சிரிக்க மறுப்பது, சில கோணங்களில் பார்த்தால் நகைச்சுவையானதே. அப்படிக் கொள்வது கூட ஒருவரின் (பார்வை) குறைபாடுகளை நகைப்புக்குரியதாக்குவதாகும்

Konjam oodaala poondhu oru veLambaram:

வாழைப்பழத்தோல் வழுக்கி விழுபவரை பார்த்து நாம் சிரிப்பதில்லை. ஆனால் அந்த தோலை எறிந்தவர், வாங்கச் சொன்னவரிடம், கையில் இருக்கும் ஒரே பழத்தை காட்டி, மற்றொன்று, அதாவது எறியப்பட்டதுவும் இது தான் எனச் சொல்வது சிரிப்புலகின் உச்சங்களில் ஒன்று. வாங்கச் சொன்னவர் வலியை உணர்வார். தோல் வழுக்கி விழுவதை விட பெரிய வலி அது. மறக்க விரும்பியும், மறக்க முடியாமல் நிலைத்து நிற்கும் நினைவு. அதே நேரத்தில் மக்கள் மறக்க முடியாத ரசனை மிகுந்த ஒரு நினைவாக அது திகழ்கிறது.

சரி, இந்த கருத்து பரிமாற்றம் எங்க நடந்தது, லிங்கு ஏதாவது?

In another way these are justification for the thread title