Khan Saheb Kamal Haasan's Jamaat/Jeba Koottam/Devasthaanam - Part 8

[sathya_1979]

enna false self portrayal?

naama kadandha oNNarai naaLaa edhai paththi pEsikkittrukkamO adhu

[Bala (Karthik)]

How can you accuse Kamal of false self portrayal just because you want exactly equally weighted criticisms, kindals against all religions in his films? It is your problem, not his. That does not make him a "lesser" atheist by any means. Of course you can be disappointedand angry with him for not being equally vociferous, adhu vera vishayam. I, being a believer, find theists more problematic than atheists and agnostics. The posts by Cinefan and irir exactly prove my point and I hopeand I'm reasonably sure that those on the right will find Viswaroobam problematic. I just hope what PR (and I) fear will not happen (double sided mathala adi) - I don't have to be a fan of everything Islam, terrorism and regression to say this

[sathya_1979]

"him for not being equally vociferous" - avLodhaan naan solla vandhadhu. BTW, why I should not allege based on the line which I quoted from ur post? I NEVER mentioned about atheism here. That is entirely out of scope for me. It's about the balance WRT criticizing religions. avLodhaan.
periyavar: "I, being a believer, find theists more problematic than atheists and agnostics.".
adiyEn: I believe in exactly the opposite. Opinions are like "you know what", everybody have one. Everybody is biased and select points which suits them / which helps them do business. Nobody is balanced, nobody is rational.

[Bala (Karthik)]

I will reverse the argument. I haven't seen a single convincing or heart felt condemnation of "our" shameful practicesfrom the groups which question periyar, kamal - not one, online or anywhere else. First adha seri pannittu apparam kamalagasanukku varalaam. For starters (this is not aimed at specific individuals here), practicing Brahmins have no locus standi in any of these matters. Zilch. Mum by default. Those who shed that identity completely can talk (applies downwards accordingly)

[Bala (Karthik)]

I hope my tone is not misunderstood. In a way it is self critical too

[sathya_1979]

I will reverse the argument. I haven't seen a single convincing or heart felt condemnation of "our" shameful practicesfrom the groups which question periyar, kamal - not one, online or anywhere else. First adha seri pannittu apparam kamalagasanukku varalaam. For starters (this is not aimed at specific individuals here), practicing Brahmins have no locus standi in any of these matters. Zilch. Mum by default. Those who shed that identity completely can talk (applies downwards accordingly)

I guess you are not the authority to define who should question what. I am proud that I touched ur nerve BTW, discrimination ellaam ellarum seiyyaradhudhaan, paramakudi thuppaakki soodu and kalavaram year after year - pooNal pOttavangaLaa munna ninnu nadaththaraanga? Let all those who did a crime / mistake / blunder apologize - and then expect apology. illaatti thappE seiyyaadha oru group vandhu thappa sutti kaattatum, mannippu ennaa kaalla vizharadha paththi kooda pEsalaam.

[sathya_1979]

BTW, thanks to you too for ur time and posts. Helped in understanding counter POV. But, as always, this will not go any further as pointers and counter-pointers are not going to change.
adhanaala natpaa bye bye sollittu indha discussion close seiyyalaam. What say?

[Bala (Karthik)]

Sathya
Why this confrontational stance? You didn't touch my nerve but missed the point I'm trying to make. Mobile la detailed-a type panna kashtama irukku...

[kid-glove]

The way I see it, Kamal's films are too seeped in Hindu identity/culture to be anti-Hindu. At a minimum, one should qualify his films as Hindu in some ways. That's my basic point here.

Just like how atheists qualify as 'theists' in some ways to Gray, fellow skeptics and homeless people.

[Bala (Karthik)]

"applies downwards accordingly", "in a way self critical too" ......^
This is about caste *identity*, the mere existence of it, which in my opinion should go. and it starts with my kurupp.