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12th September 2012, 08:48 AM
#2001
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Originally Posted by
V_S
That small roll of hi-hat is such delectation to hear. How minute we hear that sound, may be first I am hearing this very clearly. I used to rewind this piece 'n' number of times.
V_S, Awesome write up. I guess the roll is on the cymbals on not hi-hat. This one roll is enuf to explain the talent this drummer is...amazing.
I don't remember when I posted in this forum the last time but I've been a very active reader of all the posts. I've enjoyed and learnt a lot from all of you regular folks here (RS, Suresh65, V_S, Jai, thumburu, Shank, Kamesh, vel, kiru, raagas, etc etc...the list goes on.) Thank you Guys... NEPV sure has made me come out of the shell to post something...as it did with few others too...this is a magical album and sure to be cherished by generations to come. I would call it "A Study of Raja's Genre".
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12th September 2012 08:48 AM
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12th September 2012, 08:48 AM
#2002
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Originally Posted by
sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
Dhoni ellaam, as a subject, avarai konjam kooda excite pannirukka vaaippillai. ASK et all, NEPV maathiri new blood illai.
. No Sakala. Dhoni and ASK - Both have good plot and songs. NEPV - we cant comment until the plot revealed.
சொல்லிச் சொல்லி ஆறாது சொன்னா துயர் தீராது...
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12th September 2012, 09:07 AM
#2003
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Wanted to vote multiple, but felt its not right. Voted for Pengal Endral.
" நல்ல படம் , சுமாரான படம் என்பதையெல்லாம் தாண்டியவர் நடிகர் திலகம் . சிவாஜி படம் தோற்கலாம் ..சிவாஜி தோற்பதில்லை." - Joe Milton.
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12th September 2012, 11:26 AM
#2004
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Originally Posted by
V_S
[FONT=verdana][SIZE=2].. One of the biggest contrasts of this song compared to pengaL yendraal is the way he arranged and orchestrated both the songs. We should even add Satru Munbu here to see all three solos with almost similar situation carrying contrasting styles. One is purely based on rock genres, this one is based on rock classical while Satru munbu is based on opera classical.
I think this is a pretty accurate characterization. Muthal Murai I think is basically a rock song (as V_S says the "genre is same as" later on). The man has switched out the electric guitar for the string section in a lot of places. This helps the song to be more palatable to the mainstream audience. But the drumming gives away what genre it is . (similar switch out is done in vaanam mella oboe in place of the standard celtic electric fiddle).
Awesome writeup V_S .. great song. I am unable to rank songs in this movie. I would go with a "stack ranking" model and put saRRu munbu, muthal murai and vaanam mella in the top stack.
Last edited by kiru; 12th September 2012 at 12:02 PM.
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12th September 2012, 11:43 AM
#2005
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Originally Posted by
venkkiram
. No Sakala. Dhoni and ASK - Both have good plot and songs. NEPV - we cant comment until the plot revealed.
So true..I think a lot of songs of raaja over the years have been equally fresh and good. The only difference is this movie is purely for a mainstream movie, for the youth and urban taste. Sadly just shows the commodatisation / urbanisation of the taste for music. For the FM generation the first 4 lines should be catchy..no care about interludes, charanams or the song as a whole. Not many seem to enjoy different songs like kudhikira from ASK (i still remember one person saying look how ilaiyaraja has a spoilt voice without even linking the character and song ) or Kurangu kayil from ME or Vanngum panathukku from Dhoni...These are brillinat songs, peppy numbers but need a different taste and doesnt go with the usual taste of youth. Thats the only difference
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12th September 2012, 12:11 PM
#2006
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V_S missed out your posts, will look for it when I get time.
" நல்ல படம் , சுமாரான படம் என்பதையெல்லாம் தாண்டியவர் நடிகர் திலகம் . சிவாஜி படம் தோற்கலாம் ..சிவாஜி தோற்பதில்லை." - Joe Milton.
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12th September 2012, 03:49 PM
#2007
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Suresh65, senthilv.com, app_eng, V_S
Thank you for the beautiful reviews.
இந்த இசையைப் பற்றி ஓரிரு வார்த்தை எழுதலாம் என அமர்ந்தேன், ஒன்றும் எழுத வரவில்லை; விழியோரங்களில் ஈரம் மட்டுமே மிஞ்சியது....., இந்த நிலையைத் தான் இவர் இப்படி சொன்னாரோ ??
Music expresses that which cannot be said and on which it is impossible to be silent. - Victor Hugo
இந்தக் காட்டில் எந்த மூங்கில் இசைக்க வல்லது என்று மயங்கிய பொழுது
இறைவன் தேர்ந்தெடுத்தப் புல்லாங்குழல் தான் நம் இசைஞானி !!
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12th September 2012, 07:17 PM
#2008
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'saRRu munbu pArththa mEgham mARippOga'...
Sureshji's write-up possibly accurately describes this as the color-change of the clouds, from a brightening silvery white to sudden darkness, followed by lightning and thunder that depict the shattering of the dreams of the girl ("nenjaikkeeRippOga").
While musing on that, a slightly alternate thought came up in my mind. It may be incorrect (going by the thundering orch), but still another thought, on the pallavi lines.
The west often romanticizes sun, equating cloud with gloominess / depression. ("I saw sunshine on a cloudy day, when it's cold outside I got the month of May, I guess -you say- what can make me feel this way? My girl! "). If we go along that west-style thought, cloud-rain is a shattering of love and dismal end. In other words, a tragic 'saRRu munbu'.
OTOH, from a TN POV, cloud / rain is often romanticized.
For e.g., while westerners try to escape from the snowy north to warm and sunny Florida for vacation, we TN-ers in hot Madurai / Chennai / Trichy long to go to Ooty / Kodaikkanal to kiss clouds and enjoy. Most part of TN being 'vAnam pArththa bhoomi', rain is often linked to blessing & prosperity. In turn, clouds that bring rain are seen as a refreshing change from the fiery sun and are mostly welcome 
Occasionally, even our TFM poets appreciate this fact. ('rOjAvaiththAlAttum thenRal, en mEgham un koondhal'...'mEghamE, thoodhAga vA, azhagin ArAdhanai' are quick IR song examples that come to mind).
That way, the mEgham that came up 'saRRu munbu' may be some sort of a rain cloud that appeared on a dry hot day. The dryness can be attributed to the lack of love / lover for a long time ('pAlai') and suddenly there's an appearance of him back again in her life. Like the refreshing rain cloud. Rekindling the old romance. (Remember 'sAindhu sAindhu', the first love, too happens in rain).
Unfortunately, that refreshing rain cloud, that appears 'saRRu munbu' is so brief and got swept away by a powerful wind
'mARippOga', could mean another sudden turn of events - i.e. after briefly, temporarily giving hope of good times coming back again, there's sudden change and the cloud disappered...only to expose the scorching sun again.
veRumai. thanimai. Again.
We'll have to wait and see how Gautam shows the song on screen
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12th September 2012, 07:38 PM
#2009
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Among current directors, I rate selvaragavan higher for picturisation of songs. But while Gautham climbing up HJ -> ARR --> IR, selva is going down.
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12th September 2012, 07:39 PM
#2010
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Thank you very much venkki, dakaltiz, kiru, punnaimaran for your appreciation.

Originally Posted by
venkkiram
சற்று முன்பு, முதல் முறை இரண்டிலும் பாடல் வரிகள் ரொம்ப கச்சிதமா அதே நேரத்தில் காதலின் பிரிவை, சோகத்தை, வலியை, இயலாமையை, வெறுமையை ரொம்ப தீவிரமாக வெளிப்படுத்துகிறது.
ரம்யா, சுனிதாவின் குரல் ஏற்ற இறக்கங்கள் - இந்த ஆல்பத்தை எங்கேயோ போய் நிறுத்துகின்றது. ஆமாம். சாகா வரம் பெற்ற பாடல்கள்.
venkki,
Yes I totally agree with everything you said.
Best female solos we ever heard in recent times. Thanks for your recommendation, I will listen today.
dakaltiz,
Thanks for the correction on hi-hat/cymbal. Great to see you post after a long time. All credit to Maestro and NEPV. Please post often, ungaL sEvai engaLukku thEvai. 
grouch,
Please take your time.
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