Yes. The statistics are all there for people to see. Just cornering Sachin just because he's 39 is not fair. Accepted that he's not getting runs and has been in wretched form of late. But the others, save for Pujara are no better.
Good one Cedy sir ! Another opportunity for Sachin today or tomo to show his importance. I expect him to do well today. Interesting to see Sachin struggling on Indian pitches ! something he owns
Mr. Nambi nobody here is saying Sachin should play forever or saying he is doing well. There are other problems in the team that are not being talked about because Sachin is not performing.
Sachin was the best test player last year but that doesn't mean or guarantee his place. Here is the average over the last three years.
Sachin - 78,47,25( for 2010,2011,2012)
Sehwag- 61,29,33
Gambir- 32,31,31
The openers have been consitently underperforming and putting pressure on the middle order, if anything its because of Sachin, Dravid and Laxman we had some sense of what test cricket is, now that Dravid and Laxman are not there and Sachin is not doing well we are losing very badly.
If there is someone whose place should be questioned its Gambir, then Sehwag and then comes Sachin. Sachin was one of the few players who was confortable playing the Aus bowlers in Aus this year.
When Australia comes here its better to have him than a rookie or these openers who even refuse to acknowledge there is problem (have you seen a statement about their forms considering they are averaging in the lower 30's for over two years?) The only statements they give are we are the best and thats how I play.
Scoring fast 60-70 as a pair in 15 overs and keeping an avergae of 30 is useless and detrimental if you keep exposing the middle order within 15 overs everytime.
FYI, Sehwag averages less than Harbhajan outside the sub-continent. (not for the past few series, but in the past 3 years) and the less we talk about Gambir better. Maybe they should only be selected for matches in India?
There is nothing to defend about Sachin, everyone knows even if he scores in the next match he is not a long term prospect, but this hatred of Sachin is blinding the glaring truth for most people that the root of the problem lies elsewhere. The truth is there are players there are players in the team who haven't performed for well over 2 years and this is being overlooked because of 1 bad year from Sachin.
You are actually downgrading Sachin by comparing the stats with mortals like Gambhir ! Scale him with likes of Ponting, Brian, Kallis and assess. Again, these average business has no sense actually . I will give you one classic example. When India toured Aus in2003-04 under Sourav, Sachin was a flop in the entire series compared to his standards but came good in Sydney and ended unbeaten with 250 plus ?? So, by virtue of scoring a big one at the end with not out, the average for that series will show everyone that he did very well unless someone goes indepth to see what he had actually performed on crucial occasions.
And dont ever compare Sachin with Viru. Sehwag is in a league of his own. He had redefined or had given new dimension to the job of an opening batsman. But, for him may be another 2-3 years of cricket left out I think.
You are actually downgrading Sachin by comparing the stats with mortals like Gambhir ! Scale him with likes of Ponting, Brian, Kallis and assess. Again, these average business has no sense actually . I will give you one classic example. When India toured Aus in2003-04 under Sourav, Sachin was a flop in the entire series compared to his standards but came good in Sydney and ended unbeaten with 250 plus ?? So, by virtue of scoring a big one at the end with not out, the average for that series will show everyone that he did very well unless someone goes indepth to see what he had actually performed on crucial occasions.
Analysts are not fools to use a "useless" stat like average as a measure, average is useless if you consider 4 or 5 matches but over a period of a year or over 3 years it is a very good indicator of what is happening.
When we are talking about the failure of a team you need to compare with people who you have....are we having the same conversation?
Originally Posted by Rangarajan nambi
And dont ever compare Sachin with Viru. Sehwag is in a league of his own. He had redefined or had given new dimension to the job of an opening batsman. But, for him may be another 2-3 years of cricket left out I think.
You are the one who is under estimating Viru, based on his "form" in the last 2 years he is fit to play for 10 more years but not at international level.
IMO, Sehwag should be dropped for 1 or 2 series so he can think about what is wrong, the new ball is not a problem for him he gets out even after 20 overs, its the attitude, he is a better test player than what his stats show. He can be tried in the middle order but as I said new ball is not the problem so I am not sure it will make a difference, He needs a warning.
Sachins year has been nothings hort of horrendous, I have a problem when people call for his head without thinking. It was this knee jerk reaction that pushed VVS out. We haven't got a replacement for Ganguly yet, Kohli and Pujara have been good only in small patches (not making any judgements here, there is a lack of experience and these guys should be given more time), and we have fragile top order. I would rather see Saching play against Aus to have someone more experienced. After the Aus series team needs a long term plan and Sachin is defenitely not in it.
Analysts are not fools to use a "useless" stat like average as a measure, average is useless if you consider 4 or 5 matches but over a period of a year or over 3 years it is a very good indicator of what is happening.
When we are talking about the failure of a team you need to compare with people who you have....are we having the same conversation?
You are the one who is under estimating Viru, based on his "form" in the last 2 years he is fit to play for 10 more years but not at international level.
IMO, Sehwag should be dropped for 1 or 2 series so he can think about what is wrong, the new ball is not a problem for him he gets out even after 20 overs, its the attitude, he is a better test player than what his stats show. He can be tried in the middle order but as I said new ball is not the problem so I am not sure it will make a difference, He needs a warning.
Sachins year has been nothings hort of horrendous, I have a problem when people call for his head without thinking. It was this knee jerk reaction that pushed VVS out. We haven't got a replacement for Ganguly yet, Kohli and Pujara have been good only in small patches (not making any judgements here, there is a lack of experience and these guys should be given more time), and we have fragile top order. I would rather see Saching play against Aus to have someone more experienced. After the Aus series team needs a long term plan and Sachin is defenitely not in it.
Average doesnt make sense if you review the series and will realise that the concerned cricketer would have failed miserably at crucial moments and might have scored when everyone would have scored heavily in those tests ! Take another example of Pakistan tour when India won for the first time under Sourav( Dravid ) . Everyone scored heavily and our man also benefitted. However we lost a test there and our man didnt score much . IN one of the tests , Sachin was not out thanks to Rahul's horrible decision to recall ! again the average soured ! Thats why I gave an example of 2003 series. Again, these so called averages will look healthy when you get opportunity to amass against 2nd( 3rd grade ) grade teams like Bangladesh, WI, Newzealand . Somehow Sachin missed out against Newzealand ! . In the series in England, we expected Sachin to perform well in the initial tests as they will give the momentum/ confidence to other members. Unfortunately, he failed but was scoring when we had reached the last 2 tests and by that time, we were truly beaten.
What is the value add of our man ? He should ask his conscience .
Though I agree with you on Sehwag, this is a Sachin thread and not worth talking about Viru here. Actually Viru can score more . The way he is able to get into the 30s and 40s so seemlessly but gets out there is puzzling ! May be , Viru and Gambhir must have had a game plan to pull down MSD . These guys score some 40s and 50s which leads to a confusion that you cannot take action against them .
We dont need Sachin for the Aus series here. After all they will be without Ponting . So why not we bring someone in his place ? Virat Kohli can come at 2 down and his place can be given to raina or Rohit or Robin or some deserving guy.
If i were sachin, i would continue to make myself available for test and ODI selection knowing i am just one good session away from regaining my batting form. i know i have invested all my life into playing cricket for india. and whatever i do post retirement would never ever give me the same satisfaction. so, just like i never allowed all the over-the-top accolades during my peak to go to my head, i would not allow unfair criticism to pull me down too. i would continue to ignore the lesser mortals around me and continue to play to the best of my ability knowing my team will only benefit from my individual success. still, if the selectors find a better replacement for me they can drop me. i didnt beg them to select me as a kid. they needed me. similarly they will select me as long as the team needs me. once i am redundant they can drop me, them i am through. till then, i dont give a damn about others. it is me and my cricket.
Coming to think of it. It is the selectors job to decide if Sachin needs to be in the team. Not Sachin's. He's still in love with the game fgs and that is a good enough reason for him to not retire. For once let the selectors take a stand if they want to. Summa oru manushan pottu vaatti eduka vendiyathu. Unlike earlier times I feel there would not be a huge public uproar if sachin is dropped. So let them take a stand.
Well there goes the possibility of me watching another ODI..Was planning to go for the India-Pakistan match in Chepauk this month. Was hoping for SRT to play...but paatha he's announced his retirement...Ada pongada...
Thanks for some of the best moments in Cricket Even though T20 has helped me get used to the Indian team without him I'll still feel like watchin a different game.. No matter what anyone says, I still want him playing in the test team unless he feels it is time.
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Originally Posted by lscain605
Even though T20 has helped me get used to the Indian team without him I'll still feel like watchin a different game.. No matter what anyone says, I still want him playing in the test team unless he feels it is time.
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