Ilaiyaraaja's Athiradi Albums Version 2009

[app_engine]

http://tamil.galatta.com/entertainment/livewire/id/Jagan_Mohini_gets_the_facelift_29413.html

கொஞ்சம் டூ மச்சா இருக்கே? :?

Can't believe IR asking for Hungary musicians for such movies...

May be I will listen to the songs and see how's the score...haven't bothered till now...

[Sureshs65]

raja_fan,

I haven't heard 'kolaikili' earlier. So thanks for pointing to the song!! A nice one.

I am really puzzled as to which Hindi song you are talking about. It seems to be based on 'Pahadi' ragam. (I am not very sure about it and maybe someone like vel or thumburu can help.) There have been many tunes in this raga in Hindi. I definitely can't think of any Hindi song which I can say this is a blatant lift from. There are lot of songs in this scale like 'tere Ankhon ke sivA', the Madan Mohan composition for Rafi (and Lata) and 'aadha hai chandrumA' from a Santaram film. As I said, at most I can only see some passing resemblance (or inspiration) based on the raga. I am more than sure no Hindi MD (probably with exception of Salil Da) would have come close to what Raja does with the interludes in this song. You can ask your Northie friends and I am sure they will be puzzled!! :)

[Sureshs65]

a_e,

Toooo much I would say :D Especially after seeing the scenes they showed on TV.

app, this is only for the BGM. He has not used the Hungarians for the songs. You can listen to the songs though. They are fun.

[Fliflo]

raja fan,

Konjam ithayum padiyunga

http://www.tamilcinema.com/CINENEWS/Hotnews/2009/August/250809.asp

[raja_fan]

Wait friends..I will somehow find that song..
And it is not any passing resemblance..atleast the pallavi is exactly the same.

And I have heard this Hindi song played by AIR years ago..

[app_engine]

Sureshs65,
Yes I understood this is for re-rec and not songs, still it's not every movie that IR gets so much involved...so my new interest in the songs of a film which I've decided not to bother before :-)

[app_engine]

fliflo, r_f :

As per the current state of TF market, expecting Kamal to sign up IR for a new project is as unviable as expecting Kamal to sign up, say, MSV.

So, let's not get unnecessarily perturbed by what's going on with any new "mega" project in TF.

Those who are going to be launching any big project in TF belong to one of the two categories :

-directors / companies / stars that came up without IR as their AsthAna MD, mostly in 90's and later e.g. Shankar

-directors / companies / stars that have dumped him either as "cannot-get-along" or "no-longer-commercially-viable-அற்ற-குளம்" (may be a few even think his creative juices have evaporated) e.g. MR

Better to focus only on what IR actually signs up and delivers :-)

[Fliflo]

app_engine,

You have put it better. But still a big hope is there. Raja did a some successful Rajini & Kamal movies in the 90s after ARR's entry. This year, so far, has been a good one. The performance of Pazhassi Raja may fetch a few. Who knows!

[app_engine]

The performance of Pazhassi Raja may fetch a few.

Definitely not in TF.
May be elsewhere or may be even multilingual stuff.

Another problem is even when occasionally someone shows inclination towards signing up IR for a biggie, he'll get into some controversy ("theme is defaming God / Gandhiji / Karunanidhi / XYZ" or "I won't bend for big heroes" etc)

So, why expect anything?

Much easy to scan through what he actually ends up producing :-)

[vel]

[quote=Fliflo] Definitely not in TF.


Raaja is respected more in all other states than he is in TN. But the sky remains tall, even when no one is watching it.. :)

[raja_fan]

But the sky remains tall, even when no one is watching it..


ippadi usuppethi usuppethiye....




Raaja is respected more in all other states than he is in TN.


innumaadaa ooru nammala nambikkittu irukku..? :)

[Irene Hastings]

[quote=Fliflo] Definitely not in TF.


Raaja is respected more in all other states than he is in TN. But the sky remains tall, even when no one is watching it.. :)

வேல்,

நீங்கள் ரொம்ப நகைசுவை உணர்ச்சி கொண்டவரோ ? இந்த குசும்பு தானே வேண்டாம் என்பது :cry:

[vel]

[quote]
innumaadaa ooru nammala nambikkittu irukku..? :)

Aama, romba nambikittirukku...adhanaala dhaan avaru eppadi music potaalum ungalukku pudikaradhilla raaja fan...over expectation...and since the trust / expectation is high when compared to others, music edhuvanaalum, eppadi irundhaalum, namakku ok'vaa irukaadhu...sachin maadhiri...eppadi adichaalum, "innum konjam better'aa addiyirukalaamnu' solluvaanunga :D

[vel]

Irene Hastings, there is nothing comical in my post. It true. Sky is tall and blue even if there is no one watching it ! Naan sollala paa, aadhi sankarar sonadhu.

Aduthu 'aadhji sankarar' yaarunnu kaetaalum ketpeenga...appadi patta kusumbu pidicha forum dhaanae idhu...!

[Irene Hastings]

Irene Hastings, there is nothing comical in my post. It true. Sky is tall and blue even if there is no one watching it ! Naan sollala paa, aadhi sankarar sonadhu.

Aduthu 'aadhji sankarar' yaarunnu kaetaalum ketpeenga...appadi patta kusumbu pidicha forum dhaanae idhu...!

என்ன இப்படி சொல்டீங்க !! நம்ம ராஜாவோட ஜனனீ ஜனனீ ..பாடினவராச்சே அவரு...எப்படி மறக்க முடியும்..

[kameshratnam]

I remember attending a function i guess it was in the year 1998 or 1999..IR attended a felicitation programme for Dr S V Ramanan and there he said he has played guitar for Dr S V R..he then said he wanted to talk a lot but he could nt..the introduction by Va ve su was top of the world....he said...varuga isaiyae......neengal isayil piditha idathai inimel yaaraeleyum pidika mudiyathu

[Hulkster]

Vel sir vidunga, if there was a forum in 1980s, i doubt if this people will be singing sky-high praises about thalaivar. They will probably dismiss ramarajan movie songs as typical like how jaiganesh said once.

BTW Kannukulley and Jaganmohini are about to be released in september with the latter on 25th while kannukulley in the second week of sept. audio release is coming soon :D

[Fliflo]

Saw Ayyan Trailer today.

Give a different title "Isaithai" Ilayaraja

http://ishare.rediff.com/video/Entertainment/Ayyan-Trailer/721216

[Sureshs65]

Any idea when 'Ayyan' will be released and when is the audio to be released?

[Fliflo]

Any idea when 'Ayyan' will be released

..No idea. But the release of the trailer suggests it is around the corner.

[app_engine]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS/City/Thirupuram/Mammootty-has-huge-expectations-from-Pazhassi-Raja-/articleshow/4955445.cms

Film is getting censored today it seems.

Any news on the audio release?



"Since I'm the hero of the film, I will certainly be involved in all sort of promotion of the film. This is the first Malayalam film which will have a national release and of course, I'm excited. But I'm certainly being apprehensive too, because too much expectation is not a good thing"



"Resul Pookutty has designed the sound and we were together last week and he too appears to be happy. Any way, now we will wait"

[krish244]

Saw Ayyan Trailer today.

Give a different title "Isaithai" Ilayaraja

http://ishare.rediff.com/video/Entertainment/Ayyan-Trailer/721216

The trailer looks promising. Trailer music is good and very effective as well. The female humming is kind of new to hear in IR's music.

Did not expect the nice trailer.

thanks,

Krishnan

[kiru]

Saw Ayyan Trailer today.

Give a different title "Isaithai" Ilayaraja

http://ishare.rediff.com/video/Entertainment/Ayyan-Trailer/721216

The trailer looks promising. Trailer music is good and very effective as well. The female humming is kind of new to hear in IR's music.

Did not expect the nice trailer.

thanks,

Krishnan


Looks like IR also wants to do a la "Gladiator" soundtrack..Probably not a good idea while others (Yuvan, ARR) have taken a crack at this already..

[Sureshs65]

kiru,

Quite a few times the music in the trailer may not be that of the MD of the film and could be a cut and paste from some other soundtrack.

[ezy0265]

Yes Suresh,

I also feel that the music is not by IR. It could be from elsewhere. But somehow for a change the movie seems to be slightly better technically compared to some recent movies. We can expect good songs and BGM from Raja...that's for sure!

[kiru]

kiru,

Quite a few times the music in the trailer may not be that of the MD of the film and could be a cut and paste from some other soundtrack.
Suresh..you probably are right ( and ezy as well).

[krish244]

Ilaiyaraaja's album "Music Journey: Live in Italy" comes third in best indian music of 'Grassroot Grammy' held in the US. First place taken by ARR for "Godfather" music. Second place taken by Sri Krishna for "Antha Sai" album.

http://www.ptinews.com/news/260864_A-R-Rahman-wins--Grassroot-Grammy-

thanks,

Krishnan

[krish244]

Pazhassi Raja in Tamil:

http://sify.com/movies/fullstory.php?id=14908165

"One of the major highlights of the film is Oscar winner Resul Pookkutty who has done the Sound designing of the film which has music by Ilayaraja.

The re-recording was done by the maestro along with the Hungarian symphony in Prague."

Krishnan

[irir123]

Prague is in former Czechoslovakia and Budapest is in Hungary !!

basic geography koods theriyaama sites like Sify print whatever comes to their mind - kodumai!

[Sureshs65]

irir123

:) Maybe that's why they write at the end 'The views expressed in the article are the author's and not of Sify.com. ' Basically admitting that neither Sify nor people writing for them have any clue :)

[SVN]

To give them the benefit of the doubt, could the Hungarian Philharmonic Orchestra have conducted the recording in Prage, Czech Republic? ;)

[irir123]

SVN - from what I have learnt from friends working in symphony orchestras, most orchestras in Europe are 'bondi' aagi, yedho kaasu vandha pozhachchu pona podhum yengira nilamai! even in Hollywood, its cheaper for a studio to fly a composer to England or Austria, hire an orchestra and get a score recorded than hiring one in the USA, where most orchestras are ridiculously expensive to hire

idhula, its highly unlikely that the Budapest Symphony Orchestra, a relatively small-fry orchestra travelling to Prague to record a score for some obscure film made in India!

[kiru]

Prague is Rahman's hangout (yes, he records orchestras there)..while Budapest is IR's. I think the sify guys got it all mixed up.

[krish244]

[tscii:cbde7e4311]Looks like PA will also have recycled tunes!

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/entertainment/this-childrens-day-little-amitabh-bachchan-comes-with-paa_100242582.html

"Another ongoing leitmotif in Balki’s cinema is the music of Ilaiyaraja. “He’s God. He has been a major source of inspiration. I don’t think India has known a better music composer. Sadly one-half of India has not heard him enough.”
For Cheeni Kam, Balki specifically asked Ilaiyaraja for tunes from his Tamil films. “I wanted Hindi moviegoers to hear those times. Even in Paa, I’ve transposed some of his South Indian tunes into Hindi. It’s not that important to be original. It’s more important to do what you believe in.”"

thanks,

Krishnan[/tscii:cbde7e4311]

[krish244]

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/23326/mammootty-starrer-pazhassi-raja-ready.html

"The background score for the film is by the 'king of music' Ilayaraja. Hariharan said it took 90 days to finish re-recording. For the first time in Indian cinema, Hungarian symphony was used for it, he said."

thanks,

Krishnan

[raagas]

[tscii:02388e644b]Looks like PA will also have recycled tunes!

[/tscii:02388e644b]

In a way, i am lil disappointed. Ofcourse i enjoyed Cheeni Kum, but still. I thought Pa will have new compositions. And songs might be good, but still..

[raagas]

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/23326/mammootty-starrer-pazhassi-raja-ready.html

"For the first time in Indian cinema, Hungarian symphony was used for it, he said."
Krishnan

First time??? Oh boy! how many times will the repeat the same statement? for Guru,Hey Ram, Lajja.... i think they will say the same even if IR uses Hungary orchestra again and again...

[krish244]

[tscii:8eaf2e75b4]Looks like PA will also have recycled tunes!

[/tscii:8eaf2e75b4]

In a way, i am lil disappointed. Ofcourse i enjoyed Cheeni Kum, but still. I thought Pa will have new compositions. And songs might be good, but still..

Yes, the same here too. I am at least hoping that IR uses bombay orchestra/recording, because "Cheeni Kum"/"Shiva 2006" had very good recording quality compared to "Chal Chalein" (was recorded in Prasad studio). Also, not just better recording quality, the orchestra in mumbai probably inspires him to use them as well.

Krishnan

[Sureshs65]

Krish,

From whatever I have read (Guitar Prasanna's article and others) the orchestra in Chennai seems to be far superior to the Bombay guys. The only reason they may go to Bombay would be because of the recording quality or for some specific musicians.

I too was hoping for some new tunes in PA :( Let's hope not all of them are recycled and we get atleast a song or two which is original. Not sure if it will happen since Balki had only three songs in Chenni Kum (and didn't use them fully in the movie.) Lets wait and watch or shall I say, lets wait and hear :)

[app_engine]

http://www.samaylive.com/news/amitabh-starrer-paa-to-release-on-childrens-day/654350.html



Progeria is an extremely rare genetic disease of childhood characterized by dramatic, premature aging.


Like Vivek jokes in a movie, we hear/learn about so many rare kind of diseases only thru movies :-)

This news says that the movie could release on Nov 13, in just about 10 weeks.

[vem]

watched the trailer of Jaganmohini in chennaionline.com

My 2 cents: the film is full of silly tricks such as a man's head in a spider body etc - and unfortunately all these which could have been watched with wonder in the 60s cut no ice now. It is like watching the older version of the Fly movie (not the Goldblum one). If we don't have the imagination and the technical brilliance to produce all these whimsical and wierd creatures, we need to desist from making these since the movie becomes a kid's movie after all otherwise.

That said, the trailer atleast doesn't give us a hint on IR's BGM since the trailer itself looks so ameteurish.

In general, any Tom, Dick, and Harry cannot become a director - since a director needs to be qualified enough to become one.

It is disappointing to see many callow and yet-to-emerge directors are so renowned - for instance, in Vettayadu Vilayadu movie, the director shows the FBI in so bad shape that it is almost begging our famous Ragavan instinct to locate the body of a missing person. Moreover, a LAPD inspector gets killed since Kamal and he enter on the great Ragavan's instinct without a warrant - Imagine if it had been real, would Ragavan have been able to leave the country. Probably, more than those 2 culprits, he would have been in the most wanted list......


Hence, just to prop up the image of our local heroes, the directors, instead of doing ample research, just take a shitty movie catering to their lowly imagination. How sad.

[krish244]

... Let's hope not all of them are recycled and we get atleast a song or two which is original...

I love the fresh "Dheemi Dheemi" (original) from Shiva. Unfortunately it did not get noticed in NI. I just saw the picturisation on youtube. Just not matching. Nice melody wasted.

Curious to know what songs have got reused in PA.

thanks,

Krishnan

[irir123]

watched the trailer of Jaganmohini in chennaionline.com

My 2 cents: the film is full of silly tricks such as a man's head in a spider body etc - and unfortunately all these which could have been watched with wonder in the 60s cut no ice now. It is like watching the older version of the Fly movie (not the Goldblum one). If we don't have the imagination and the technical brilliance to produce all these whimsical and wierd creatures, we need to desist from making these since the movie becomes a kid's movie after all otherwise.

That said, the trailer atleast doesn't give us a hint on IR's BGM since the trailer itself looks so ameteurish.

In general, any Tom, Dick, and Harry cannot become a director - since a director needs to be qualified enough to become one.

It is disappointing to see many callow and yet-to-emerge directors are so renowned - for instance, in Vettayadu Vilayadu movie, the director shows the FBI in so bad shape that it is almost begging our famous Ragavan instinct to locate the body of a missing person. Moreover, a LAPD inspector gets killed since Kamal and he enter on the great Ragavan's instinct without a warrant - Imagine if it had been real, would Ragavan have been able to leave the country. Probably, more than those 2 culprits, he would have been in the most wanted list......


Hence, just to prop up the image of our local heroes, the directors, instead of doing ample research, just take a shitty movie catering to their lowly imagination. How sad.

The last of the original thinkers, creators IMO, was Mahendran - somehow I cannot think beyond Mahendran as far as Tamil cinema is concerned - Balu Mahendra, barring a Moondram pirai, gets inspired from and adapts European/english films, Mani Ratnam is either repetititve in form/content or embarassingly affected/ contrived

Kamal is really good when he pens a script like Hey Ram, but a combination of his unintentional over-indulgence plus our makkals rejection of his sincere attempts, sees him resorting to imitations of Hollywood films

The problem is a combination of our makkals overall standards plus, non-professionals getting into the film industry

[vem]

krish244
the entire Shiva movie was a porn movie for which IR was the MD. What a silly crappy cock shit that movie was. Who the hell is the Ram Gopal Varma - this guy has spoilt the purity of the Aananda ragam song that I can't even watch the tamil version since the Hindi version was extremely vulgar.

Now the Kadhal kadhai movie - How could IR be a part of this movie.....

I watched this Tamil movie after years just for IR. The first 5 minutes was enough for me and I switched it off. The director informs us that Westerners have inevented pins and pens and pencils, but when he shows us that Indians haven't invented anything, he shows famous temples and people praying to Gods. My question is if this is necessary ? Notwithstanding the ignorance of the director regarding our Rishis' conquerence of the SELF itself, this guy ridicules the practices of so many millions of people. What a pity. Such 1/2 baked duffers should not be allowed to release their movies.

[SVN]

Vem,
Unfortunately, such stuff has been forced down people's throats by these empty vessel 'intellectuals' in the film industry and also by popular magazines and tabloids for decades. The Tamil media in general also mostly consists of 'illiterate' (not in the literal sense) uppuma journalists with no talent, no quest for knowledge and no exposure, and poor taste. These are the types who have hyped up the Namithas and Mumaith Khans of the world as Tamilian benchmarks for 'sexy'! Look at the programmes on Sun TV these days! I think we were better off with the good ol' Doordarshan.

Happened to watch some Onam special programmes on some of the Malayalam channels. The quality of programmes, quality of interviews, knowledge, background research and professional presentation by the journalists was a sharp contrast to what we get to watch on Tamil channels. Some of the programmes that I especially liked were interviews with the likes of Jayachandran, Bombay Ravi, Mohanlal, Chitra and an up-coming singer, Durga (a talent show winner I think). I wish we had such quality in Tamil media!

[Sureshs65]

SVN,

Fully with you about the TV stuff. There was one interview of Janaki by P.Jayachandran. You can see both the respect the interviewer had for Janaki and the amount of research he has done even though he himself is a noted MD. I have never seen things like that on our TV. Jaya TV 'Tirunmbi Parkiren' is an exception.

[vssathish]

Hi

Visit Web site http://www.pazhassirajathemovie.com/

Raaja rulz with Hungary symphony orchestra

[krish244]

Music sounds good. Wish they had uploaded the sound in stereo mode.

thanks,

Krishnan

[krish244]

Yes Vem. I agree. I already saw the picturisation of "Sara ye aalam" and it was just vulgar. I thought "dheemi dheemi" was not picturised at all. Was surprised to know it was picturised, but did not expect RGV to spoil this song as well through his picturisation.

Krishnan

[Sureshs65]

Thanks for the link vssatish. Sounds very good.

[irir123]

the site simply ROCKS!!!

my expectations abt this film have magnified greatly after seeing this site - very very smartly designed and smacks of high production values!

I only wish they release the BGM tracks as an album as well

[MumbaiRamki]

Yes , the music rocks ! Hopefuly its by IR and not a symphonic music taken for the website :)

[Hulkster]

Its certainly by thalaivar, after intial symphonic swells, you can see the rhythm trademark of thalaivar take over. I think the most obvious part where you can conclude it is his is towards the end when the percussions come in and you can feel his sway. Even though its pure WCM, it always speaks the name of thalaivar :cool:

Wow the film is only a few weeks away, can't wait for things to explode :D

[kameshratnam]

the website is asking for an user name and password

[Hulkster]

Looks like they have blocked access. Initially was still accessible.

[app_engine]

http://www.dnaindia.com/entertainment/report_pazhassi-raja-will-remind-how-we-got-freedom-mammootty_1288513

Articles says the movie will release for Gandhi Jayanthi

[rooky]

Illayaraja's double Treat.

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=MIRRORNEW&BaseHref=BGMIR/2009/09/10&PageLabel=30&EntityId=Ar02900&ViewMode=HTML&GZ=T

[app_engine]

http://beta.thehindu.com/arts/movies/article18043.ece

[krish244]

Prem Kahani movie review from Rediff:

http://movies.rediff.com/review/2009/sep/11/south-kannada-movie-review-prem-kahani.htm

"However, the real hero of the film is music maestro Ilayaraja who has composed some melodious tunes and has also done fantastic recording work."

thanks,

Krishnan

[Plum]

BTW, there is a news today of Kamal singing under IR for Pankaj Kapoor
Which movie is this? It is not Pa.

[raagas]

BTW, there is a news today of Kamal singing under IR for Pankaj Kapoor
Which movie is this? It is not Pa.

whoa!!! whats that!! Is it SRK? just a guess!

[Plum]

"Happi", it seems.

[Plum]

http://mobilepaper.timesofindia.com/web/getpage.aspx?pageid=29&pagesize=&edid=MM&edlabel=MMIR&mydateHid=11-09-2009&pubname=Mirror+-+Mumbai&edname=Mumbai&publabel=MM

[app_engine]

BSO too ? Interesting...

[Sureshs65]

Hmm. The way it is going the BSO may shift to Chennai :lol: Hope this is a well directed film and not something like 'Chal Chalein'. And it releases :D unlike SRK which is still hiding!!

[Hulkster]

I think thalaivar is indirectly creating a CSO except the people are not indians :lol2:

[irir123]

if Pankaj Kapur is behind the script/story, then we are in for a treat!

this year has been progressively good for IR in terms of the projects he has been getting as well as the output!

[Hulkster]

Actor Prakash raj in his interview in Dinakaran today (11.09.09) saying his Own Production MAYILU - மயிலு Shooting is over. Recording is going on.

Lets hope MAYILU songs will be released soon. And expect movie will touch the screen within this year. After very long time MAYILU info is coming on Media.

[Hulkster]

Regarding PA(Hindi)



october 15 audio releasing in mumbai - offical announcment will be in end of sec

[AravindMano]

http://mobilepaper.timesofindia.com/web/getpage.aspx?pageid=29&pagesize=&edid=MM&edlabel=MMIR&mydateHid=11-09-2009&pubname=Mirror+-+Mumbai&edname=Mumbai&publabel=MM

Interesting. I have watched a Bhavna Talwar's film (Dharm) in a film festival, which too had Pankaj Kapur in it. It was a sensible film and won a national award recently. Hope this movie would also be good.

[Plum]

if Pankaj Kapur is behind the script/story, then we are in for a treat!

this year has been progressively good for IR in terms of the projects he has been getting as well as the output!
:roll:

[Plum]

Aravind, I was about to say. It is bhavna talwar. pArkkalAm. Adhu ennamO thalaivar kitta varachE, ellOrum sodhapparainga...

[rooky]

Illayaraja's double Treat.

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=Archive&Source=Page&Skin=MIRRORNEW&BaseHref=BGMIR/2009/09/10&PageLabel=30&EntityId=Ar02900&ViewMode=HTML&GZ=T

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/kannada/article/49803.html

Happened to see a program on the friday releases today and a happy viewing for any raja fan.trwo of the three releases by Raja, clippings and the fans out of theatre, all talking about raja's music, raja is ruling here for sure.

Looks like majority liked Baghyatha balegara movie and premkahani commented as good first half and climax,but not so good second half.

[krish244]

Another hindi movie by IR and this time BSO is also involved. WOW! This is really a pleasant surprise. Looking forward to this movie, songs and of course the BGM. Hoping for the best.

PA audio is also releasing and some news on Mayilu. Good news pouring from all sides :). My curiosity and eagerness has gone multifold!

thanks,

Krishnan

[vem]

Any reviews on Prem Kahani ?
I have been on a sabbatical and hence haven't been checking regularly. Now, I am with a second wind of energy since so many IR's albums are coming out -

Prem Kahani is already in musicindiaonline.com. I need to check it out.
Also, Pazhassi Raja sounds like a fantastic opportunity for IR to show his creativity.

[krish244]

Vem, Rediff has reviewed it. I had posted the link in earlier page. Anyway, here it is again.

http://movies.rediff.com/review/2009/sep/11/south-kannada-movie-review-prem-kahani.htm

"However, the real hero of the film is music maestro Ilayaraja who has composed some melodious tunes and has also done fantastic recording work."


thanks,

Krishnan

[rajasaranam]

Ada! Suddenly Raaja is becoming an 'Upcoming' Composer in Bollywood too :)

[irir123]

if Pankaj Kapur is behind the script/story, then we are in for a treat!

this year has been progressively good for IR in terms of the projects he has been getting as well as the output!
:roll:

Pankaj Kapur is one of the few talented, sensible artistes, who keep foraying into mainstream bollywood every now and then - he knows aesthetics of cinema, and can be considered a 'method' artiste

[raajarasigan]

Hmm. The way it is going the BSO may shift to Chennai :lol: Hope this is a well directed film and not something like 'Chal Chalein'. And it releases :D unlike SRK which is still hiding!!

at least this writer did NOT mention that BSO is being used for the first time in IFM.. :lol:

[Plum]

Ada I know pankaj kapoor, irir.
What hs he done about scripting, direction that makes you believe if he is involved script will be good?
He is no kamal, that's for sure, when it comes to scripting.he has his share of ordijary movies so him being there is not a guarantee of quality as you seemed to imply

[MumbaiRamki]

Today chennaitimes had a good ad of pazai raja (tamizh) . Neat !

For a loong time , we have been waiting for a good historic film - jodha akbar and Ashoka were just caricatures , esp the later !

[Fliflo]

Kamal sings for IR in Happi :P

http://www.planetradiocity.com/musicreporter/news.php?newscatid=1&newsid=1450

[app_engine]

என்னவோ சார்லி சாப்ளினுக்கு வேண்டி கமல் பாடின மாதிரி அள்ளி உடுறாங்க :-) அவரு ஜூலி ரீமேக்குல (ஓ மானே மானே) மோகனுக்கு 'பொன் மானை, தேடுதே'ன்னு பாடினது இவங்களுக்கெங்க தெரியப்போகுது, பாவம் - இவங்க கணக்குல தான் த.நா'ன்னு ஒண்ணு இல்லியே:-)

[raagas]

Interesting. I have watched a Bhavna Talwar's film (Dharm) in a film festival, which too had Pankaj Kapur in it. It was a sensible film and won a national award recently. Hope this movie would also be good.

Oh! i was wondering who Bhavna Talwar is. So, its the film-maker of "Dharm". Now this is an awesome news. Dharm was a very well made film. Not choppy like Chal Chalein, but really decently made film, with good production values. Now my hopes are high, because i think the director's taste(in music) will be good.She extracted an amazing performance from Pankaj Kapoor in Dharm. And i am sure, Happi will have better visibility than Chal Chalein.

So we have SRK, Pa, Happi in Hindi.

Pazhassi Raja coming up.

Thyagaraja in Telugu.

And some film in tamil, where the protagonist is a violinist (whats the name of the film?). and few more in Tamil.

Aaahaa!! Raaja.. I love you!

[SVN]

"Happi is Chaplinesque in its silences and is almost a silent film (two-thirds of it is dialogue-free) and the background score is being done in Budapest by Ilaiyaraja with the Budapest Symphony Orchestra."

No wonder they could not have had a better choice than IR to do justice to this 'almost silent' film!

[ezy0265]

app_engine,

Kamal had also sung for Karthik Raja for Ullaasam "Mutthe Mutthamma" which is more recent than Oh Maane Maane..

[MumbaiRamki]

he has sung in pudhupettai which is till more recent :)

[rajaalltheway]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/moviereview/5002334.cms
Bhagyada Balegaara gets ***

[rajaalltheway]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrMPtnF4kOg
Loved this song...

[krish244]

Rediff movie review of Bhagyada Balegaara:

http://movies.rediff.com/report/2009/sep/14/south-kannada-movie-review-bhagyadha-balegaara.htm

"But Maestro Ilayaraja has composed some classic compositions like Kannalle Kaaduvanu, Bhagyadha Balegaara and Minchulli. The director has taken a lot of care to shoot the songs. Ilayaraja's background score is also excellent. Other than that, there is nothing positive about the film."

thanks,

Krishnan

[Bala (Karthik)]

Kamal sings for IR in Happi :P

http://www.planetradiocity.com/musicreporter/news.php?newscatid=1&newsid=1450
:cool2:

[krish244]

Another review of BB!

http://entertainment.oneindia.in/kannada/reviews/2009/bhagyada-balegara-review-140909.html

"The music of Bhagyada Balegara is expected to break the records set by Janumada Jodi. Maestro Ilayaraja has composed music and a few songs are very melodious especially 'Ahha Minchulli...', 'Kannalle Kaduvanu...' and 'Bhagyada Balegara...' will haunt the audience."

thanks,

Krishnan

[krish244]

Kadhal Kadhai to be dubbed in Telugu:

http://entertainment.oneindia.in/telugu/top-stories/2009/kadhal-kadei-dubbed-telugu-150909.html

"The film was a big hit in Kerala and Tamil Naidu. We are confident that the magic would again repeat in Telugu as well."

"big hit" -> Nijamava :omg:

thanks,

Krishnan

[Sureshs65]

Krish,

They probably meant the producer got hit :lol:

[krish244]

Krish,

They probably meant the producer got hit :lol:

:lol:

Krishnan

[krish244]

[tscii:ec76c0520d]Another Prem Kahani review:

http://entertainment.oneindia.in/kannada/reviews/2009/prem-kahani-review-140909.html

"It is worth mentioning that editor AM Prakash could have bettered the movie Prem Kahani even more by doing little more trimming work. However, Ilayaraja’s music compensates this weakness. His music for four songs is very melodious and haunts the audience’s mind."

thanks,

Krishnan[/tscii:ec76c0520d]

[Fliflo]

Collections of Raja's BGM work is uplaoded by some Raja Fan in this site.

http://www.youtube.com/user/yowan1977#play/uploads/1/Xxe8uGs9exM

[thumburu]

September 11th TOI edition carries reviews of "Prem Kahani" and BB by GS.Kumar who is generally fair in his reviews. He gives average rating to PK and good rating to BB. Regarding music, PK's score is excellent and BB's is good

[rags141]

Kannukkuley - Album released.....songs sound very promising.....awesome orchestration.....preludes & interludes are too gud....

more later....

[rags141]

Songs List:

01. Vaanam Paadigal - Surumugi, Anitha, Priya, Febi
02. Enge Nee Sentralum - Karthick, Pelaa Hinto
03. Paattuk Ketka - Tippu, Rahul Nambiyar, Bavatharani, Prasanna, Murugesh, Velmuruga
04. Pachai Meni - Suwi
05. Puthu Pounami Nilavugal - Sriram Parthasarathi, Dharshini Kobi
06. Naan Pirantha Neram - Priya

[rags141]

Enge Nee Sendralum - Pick of the album - Very interesting preludes, beautiful melody, excellent interludes....on top gr8 singin by the lead singers.....

[rags141]

Paattu Ketka - Good peppy song....

Pachai Meni - Item Song.....above avg.....techno bgms....

Vaanam Paadigal - Fast melody.....good melody....

Puthu Pournami - Nice Melody....reminds of some song in kangalin varthaigal.....interesting interludes....

Naan Pirandha - Amma Song....small bit song.....good singing....

My pick of the album is still - Engey Nee Sendralum....just 2 gud....

[Sureshs65]

rags,

Thanks for the info. Interesting to see so many new singers in the list. No Bela Shinde or Shreya. Most of the female singers are new here. Waiting for some online links to listen to the song. The CDs are taking a long time to reach Bangalore!!! I am yet to see the Jaganmohini CD here!!

[Hulkster]

Vaanampadigal is the tamil version of hodadavne except its more melodious :omg: :notworthy:

[Hulkster]

Those who have not bought the album can listen here. :D

Kannukkulle Song Samples (http://sevenmountain.blogspot.com/2009/09/kannukkulle-song-samples.html)

[MumbaiRamki]

jegam mohini album maathiri irukkiRadhu - enge nee sendraalum , made me look for how to name it .

[krish244]

Thanks rags141/Hulkster!

Heard only "Enge sendralum". Fantastic song. What prelude and interlude! And those strings sounds to be very real to me! Pelaa Hinto voice sounds similar to Bela Shinde

Yet to listen to other songs.

thanks,

Krishnan

[Sureshs65]

Thanks Hulk for loading the samples. Will get the CD as soon as it arrives here. I will probably have to alert the guy here that such a film CD has been released !!!

Enge Nee and Puthu Pournami are top class. What fantastic melodies!! Need to give both of them a few more listens but I am sure these will go into the long list of great Raja songs.

Will post a detailed review after I hear the songs a few times. Currently loving 'Vanambadigal'.

[rajasaranam]

Here is an online link for the Album "Kannukkulle" (http://www.mediafire.com/?ynzmyyygnaj)

[Sureshs65]

'Bela Shinde' had earlier become 'Yeye Shinde'. Now she has become 'Peela Hinto' :D The cover image says 'Bela Shinde'. Her voice sounds very close to Sadhna Sargam.

[NagaS]

The CDs are taking a long time to reach Bangalore!!! I am yet to see the Jaganmohini CD here!!

I am not sure about 'kaNNukkuLLe', But Jaganmohini is available @ Landmark, Forum

NagaS

[Sureshs65]

Thanks Naga. Will check it out at Landmark.

[Hulkster]

Another treat for us, Pazhassi Raja Audio Release Function is today.



AUDIO RELEASE
http://www.nowrunning.com/news/malayalam/pazhassi-raja-audio-release-function-today/26100/story.htm

[Hulkster]

The songs of Kannukkulley are amazing, Orchestration is nothing like i heard before. Thalaivar has basically replaced his live instruments with synth, yet the style is always there. :clap:

Pachaimeni(the raunchy song) is my favourite, the rhythm in that song is wonderful. Paatu Ketkava has interludes trespassing genres but well ultimately it has to be thalaivar genre isn't it :lol2:

:notworthy:

[Hulkster]

My heart skipped beating because of the programmed rhythm in the below songs:

Did you notice/discover the genre of them???

Paatukkekka is based on the genre - House {Pallavi and 2nd saranam}/classical cross-over!

Pachaimeni is based on the genre - Dancehall {Pallavi} and saranam has rhythm of UK-garage loop.

Vaanambaadigal is based on Trance genre! {Lovely one!}

Have a good one!

always

~~Raaja rules!!!

[balaji]

"Enge Nee Sendralum" == Absolute gem

Best Violin usage in the last few years

Bala

[rajasaranam]

Listened to the songs once. Seems Raaja is completely in an experimental mode. Few albums released this year shows a promising Raaja who is re-inventing himself and still keeping himself strongly rooted into the genre 'Ilaiyaraaja'. Though the first few listenings doesnt show this when we get used to the songs its very much evident that all his songs have that strong flavor of 'Raaja' to which we are hooked onto from the 70's.
In Kannukulle he sounds very distant from the pattern we are comfortable with. This is the first album for me with such an experience. I would like to say This is not Raaja apart from the tunes which have his signature. Need more listenings to get used to this!

[Sureshs65]

RS,

Yo8u have put it correctly. The tunes of 'Pudhu Pournami' and 'Enge Nee Senralum' are absolute Raja but the orchestration is quite different in many of the songs. Definitely need a few more listens before deciphering what he is trying. As of now hooked to 'Pudhu Pournami' and 'Enge Nee'. Absolute gems.

[fan_ir]

His synth usage is getting better day by day....

The prelude of Enge Nee Sendraalum takes me back to Raaja Parvai days :D. An outstanding track.

Pachaimeni - Sounds similar to Pottu Vaitha(Singaravelan).

Naan Pirandha Nerama - Excellent version of Tum Bhi Dhoondna(Chal Chalein).

[Sureshs65]

fan_ir,

Very true. I too immediately recalled 'tum bhI doonDnA' when I heard 'nAn piranda nEramA'.

[Sureshs65]

The female singer has atrocious pronunciation in 'pudhu poUrNami' song.

[AravindMano]

Some info about the Pazhassi Raja songs. http://www.keralapals.com/2009/09/the-grand-audio-release-of-pazhassi-raja-exclusive-report/

[krish244]

AravindMano, the link throws some kind of database error. Can you tell what song info it talks about.

thanks,

Krishnan

[app_engine]

[tscii:cb7c88df8a]krish244,
The text is copy pasted below and there are some pictures as well :



Audio release of the most expected and expensive film Pazhasiraja was held in a grand manner on Sep 20 in Gokulam Park Inn, Kaloor. The stage was filled with many celebrities and the film unit and a real member of Pazhasiraja Family.

The big event started exactly at 7pm when actress Padmapriya started giving the introduction about Pazhasiraja. Following that MGS, Ressol Pookuti and Manjuri came to the stage to perform a song from the film. MGS sung a song ‘oru maapilla paatu’ from the movie and the video clipping of the same song was played after that. Next a song from the movie sung by Chitra was played in the screens and it’s definitely a good melody to hear again and again.

Yesudas sung the next song ‘Aadhi ushassandhya pootha pole’ and this song surely will be the best of all the songs in the film. Lyrics of the songs are composed extremely well. After the songs the most expected trailer was shown in the screen which was truly awesome with a Hollywood touch. Every bit of the 3 minute trailer was a masterpiece and was enjoyed well by the viewers.

Lalu Alex specially requested to play the trailer and the song ‘Aadhi ushassandhya pootha pole’ at the end of the event. After the trailer everyone were called to the stage to present the audio cassettes. Mammookka presented the audio cassette to Sarath Kumar who has played an important role Edachena Kunkan, the chief lieutenant of Pazhassi Raja. Then Lalu Alex, Gokulam Gopalan, Manoj K Jayn, Sarath Kumar, Mammooty and all of them in stage gave a good speech. The progrom got over by 10pm and Gokulam Gopalan presented the dinner to all. Pazhasiraja is the film made in a costly budget of 25 crores and it will hit the screens on October 2.

[/tscii:cb7c88df8a]

[rajaalltheway]

Listened to Kannukkulle samples...Ayya is having fun atlast.Is
this album too ill fated? Songs like Pachaimeni wont be out of place in any Viajy-Suriya-Vikram mass movies.God how much i wish Ayya got a chance to work with the young superstars..he
will rock for sure..

[Sureshs65]

OK. So that wait for Pazhassiraja starts now :D Hope they get it out soon. As irir123 had earlier desired, hope they also get out the background score of the film on CD.

Lets hope the movie turns out to be a success.

[irir123]

'Vaanambadigal' - IR's synth use is embarassing - some of the sounds wud have sounded outdated even in the 1980s - the lack of depth is jarring

'engey nee' and 'naan pirandha neramaa' are the picks

others are just abt ok

IR is trying something new, but IMHO, dabbling with the synth is not the way to go, since tats not his strength, which lies in the strong basslines, counterpoints, and live strings all of these combined with lilting melodies

what we need to hear from him is a totally different paradigm of music, that will take everyone by surprise - tats not happening with such albums

but 2009 has been a revelation so far, despite the minor synth glitches - Pazhassi Raja might be the peak we are looking for

any idea where PR audio is available ?

[kiru]

IMHO, this is not in the same league as the recent good ones like AM, Valmiki,BB, PK etc. Recording is crisp though. Maybe they put new synths in Prasad studios or maybe they just cleaned out years of oxidation/gunk in all those electrical contacts..IRs recording was sounding "foggy" all those years..even Deva's recoding sounded way better (eg. Batcha).

[krish244]

[tscii:84741ba590]krish244,
The text is copy pasted below and there are some pictures as well :
[/tscii:84741ba590]

Thanks much app_engine! Looking forward to the songs.

Krishnan

[ezy0265]

Kiru,

I don't think IR's recording standard and mixing skills has been that bad at all to even compare with Deva's recording.
If you have not heard Kathal Kavithai song "Thatthom Thagathimi Thom" I urge you to please give a revisit and listen in a good sound system. Even today it will impress anyone by any standards.......there is one simply mindblowing vocal percussion tried by IR himself....it is simply superb. When I first listened to it those days I had completely missed it and now I feel that such songs have always been there on a very regular basis. If the subject and script warrants it he is still very much capable of giving the country's best as he has still been showing with Naan Kadavul, Nanthalaala etc.

[raagas]

My take on Kannakkulle, after listening to it 4 times.

1. Enge Nee Sendraalum - Beautiful composition. How long has it been since we have heard solo violin in IR songs. Song has "Madhyamavathi" shades. Yet to ascertain if i am right.

2. Vaanampaadigal - Song is trendy..upbeat and all. but i cant associate IR with it.. except for few flute(real or synth) pieces. some of the lines in the song have IT tune stamp. I wont say the song is bad. But then.. not IR type.. not even the kind which i'd like him to experiment. Because i know this song wont linger for long, atleast in me.

3. Pachaimeini - The song is ok, has IR stamp for sure. so there is no deviation from his self, unlike the previous song. even this song relies on synth, but the tune and arrangements have his signatures. yet, i cant say if this song will stay.

4. Naan Pirandha Nerama - good composition. haunting for sure. I am glad IR did some good work, yet disappointed for keeping it so short.

5. Pudhu Pournami - Another brilliant composition. The opening tune is very familiar. guess where? Listen to the trackl "Illusions" from IR's "India 24". That small exquisite piece in Mohana has been replicated and improvised into a song here. In my opinion, this composition is one of the best, despite the synth usage. because the synth doesnt hurt or doesnt overtly encroach/dominate into the overall Ilaiyaraaja-ism the song carries (unlike other synth songs in this album).Truly a gem, just like Enge nee.

6. Paatu Ketkava - somehow this song didnt work for me. I can smell IR here and there, but this is not something i would revisit. it doesnt stay with me.

Recording quality is good. No issues.

Overall - Enge and Pudhu Pournami are nuggets. Naan Pirandha, is good. Pachaimeni is just ok, but i dont think i hear it again and again. Rest all dont work for me. Only regret is he shouldnt have used synth like the way every other composer uses today... there are some IR fans who criticize other composers just bcoz they rely a heavily on synth and hence call them un-intelligent..sometimes even i do so, if i dislike a certain song..or if it has enormous degree of synth usage that doesnt appeal to me..Now, Its disheartening to see IR also doing the same thing..it will be double standards if such hardcore fans appreciate this synth and criticize other composer's synth usage.

Anyways, My expectations from IR albums have been mixed (not qualitative meaning, but i mean his albums are having 2 very good songs.. 2 ok songs and 1 not so good song) these days. So, going by what i have been expecting, he didnt disappoint ME. Every album has atleast 1-2 fantastic compositions that will impress me anyday. Thats enough for me. :)

[rajasaranam]

raagas,

I patronize you :) After listening to the songs more than 5-6 times I could only relate with 'Enge Nee Sednraalum', 'Puthu Pournami' & 'Naan Pirantha'. The other 3 songs are incorrigible...Iam just not able to connect to these songs somehow :x totally unexpected from Raaja Because I've never found a song 'indigestible' from Raaja till date :|

[Sureshs65]

I too would second raagas (or should it be third?). My view is very similar to what raagas has stated.

To me, the recent Raja albums can be split into two types. One where I love almost all the songs. Each one may not be a classic but they still work and you enjoy listening to them. Valmiki, Azhagar Malai, Bagyada Balegara, Prem Kahani, Chal Chalein in the recent past fall into this category. (Bagyadevatha was full class). Then there is the other category where a few songs don't resonate at all while there are a couple of class songs in the album. Albums in this category would be 'Kangalum Kavi Padudhey', 'Dhanam', 'Nannavanu'. Songs like 'Dhanam Dhanam' or 'Ulagam Kidakude', or the synth dominated songs of KKP or the couple of synth songs in 'Nannavanu' don't resonate with me much. Still those albums have some amazing numbers. 'Kannanukku Enna Vendum', 'Malai Nila', 'Yenidu', 'Mudhalane Baari' are songs I keep hearing often. (I guess Jaganmohini falls somewhere in between. Of the 5 songs, I love 3 of them, Chitra song is OK and the other song 'Katikkita' is so so. )

In my opinion, 'Kannukulle' is better than an album like 'Kangalum Kavi Paadudhey' in the sense that we have two absolute gems which you can hear any time and another lovely short number. Probably not Raja's best this year but 'Enge Nee Sendralum' and 'Puthu Pournami' will give any of his other good songs a run for their money.

Reg synth usage, I don't mind it by any composer. What I generally have a problem is hiding the lack of imagination behind 'sounds' and 'samples'. To be honest some of Raja's synth songs aren't working. As rajaalltheway said, some of it may work if it is picturized on a 'big' hero. BTW, what are the chances that this film will be released?

[raagas]

Probably not Raja's best this year but 'Enge Nee Sendralum' and 'Puthu Pournami' will give any of his other good songs a run for their money.



Well, i would say those two songs ARE among the BEST for sure. btw Suresh, can you confirm if Enge is madhyamavathi (or brindavana saranga?)

and btw, is it only me who is feeling that 'puthu pournami' has been improvised from that track from "India 24 hours"? It was a moment of "Eureka" for me, when i heard it.

Did no one else find the similarity?

[Hulkster]

I have a feeling thalaivar is using synth in his own style, but we are not used to hearing in that sort of manner, like we have a defined set of style for synth.

Vaanampadigal certainly does NOT have embarassing synth, a classy piano 2nd interlude and a exotic mix of genres in the first interlude is certainly nowhere near embarassin :angry2:

It will take us abit of time to get used to the songs as there is a very forceful deviation from his original orchestration. Now it is like the mother of all complex notes. I do notice that the synth adopt different patterns at times indicating his style of rhythm change even using manual instruments. Pachaimeni is a strong example(listen to the backgrounds closely especially during interludes) and Paatuketkava has a amalgalm of genres in its first interlude.

Hidden joy waiting to be deciphered :D

[raagas]

In the song "Puthu Pournami"...i feel ilaiyaraaja could have used a better voice for the female. may be shreya ghoshal or bela shinde. or even swetha or manjari.. basically some thin voice with not much screech. i felt the same even in the case of kannda song "Enidhu" recently. composition is perfect.. just that voice could be better.. to make it more mellow-mood.

[Sureshs65]

Yes raagas. The 'engE nI' starts off as Madhyamavathi, though I am not sure if it follows Madhyamavathi all along.

Unfortunately I have not heard the India 24 hrs piece you are referring to but the start seems to be Mohanam based and the charanams have a scale change.

Hulk: While I too like some of the work Raja does on the synth and his ideas, what I feel is that this part of his work is not reaching a lot of people. On one hand it doesn't become popular or 'hit'. On the other hand it does not reach the hardcore Raja fan. (So it leaves only a few like us :)

[rooky]

looks like the movie kannukullae is releasing this Friday.

http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14911443

[Sureshs65]

raagas,

I guess I spoke too soon about 'engE nI'. It is indeed Madhyamavathi and I am quite sure the tune follows Madhyamavathi closely throughout and not as I mentioned.

The tune itself is superb. The prelude and interludes are excellent as everyone has opinioned. Along with the violin, it is the flute which gives so much joy in the interludes. More than the interludes, I was overjoyed by the way the accompaniment was setup for the charanam. The way the strings come in after the first two lines of the charanam, stay for two lines and make way for the rhythm loop. So seamlessly done.

I will forgive all songs of this album for this song alone :D

[Sureshs65]

raagas,

'pudhu pourNami' is another song for which we can excuse other songs of this album :) Initially thought it was Mohanam but now a bit confused on whether it could be 'Pahadi'. We will wait for someone like vel or thumburu to tell us.

Any raga doesn't matter (note: I said raga and not ragaas :lol: ) what matters is the sheer beauty of the song. I fully agree with you about the female singer. Doesn't look like the best choice. Someone else would have elevated the song even more.

[Sureshs65]

Hulk,

With you on 'Vaanampaadigal'. Nice work but as I said earlier, until picturized on a 'big' hero or heroine, I am not certain if this will reach the intended audience. (Which should be the 'youth' of today)

[raagas]

Unfortunately I have not heard the India 24 hrs piece you are referring to but the start seems to be Mohanam based and the charanams have a scale change.


India 24hrs is at http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00197.html

listen to the track "Illusions". the flute piece in that track is the basis for puthu pournami.

[irir123]

http://mp3musichub.blogspot.com/2009/09/pazhassi-raja2009-latest-mammotty-film.html

[MumbaiRamki]

irir123,
patta kanOm ...wait pannuvom :)

[12bums]

While we wait:

here is a sample:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3jbOKEla-w&feature=player_embedded#t=61

[jaiganes]

raagas,

I guess I spoke too soon about 'engE nI'. It is indeed Madhyamavathi and I am quite sure the tune follows Madhyamavathi closely throughout and not as I mentioned.

The tune itself is superb. The prelude and interludes are excellent as everyone has opinioned. Along with the violin, it is the flute which gives so much joy in the interludes. More than the interludes, I was overjoyed by the way the accompaniment was setup for the charanam. The way the strings come in after the first two lines of the charanam, stay for two lines and make way for the rhythm loop. So seamlessly done.

I will forgive all songs of this album for this song alone :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JimlHTxgsz8

This song from swarnakamalam is what I was reminded when I heard the 'enge nee ' song - This is pure vintage raja who can play with any raaga and shift the usage in his unique way while other composers would be wary of deviations.
Those kutti flutes(whose passages remind one of a flock of sparrows flying swiftly here to there) are back with the solo carnatic violin and violin ensemble and the 'bulbul tara' - that is a good good sign for my ears and heart. even if it is one song - this handiwork of raja is the most satisfying aspect of listening to music in my life.

[raagas]

While we wait:

here is a sample:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3jbOKEla-w&feature=player_embedded#t=61

The music is not from the film.

[krish244]

[tscii:5709418dad]Bala's next movie might have music by ARR. Its going to be a commercial entertainer. Produced by Kalapathy S Agoram.

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/entertainment/vishal-aarya-in-balas-next-film_100251038.html

"Unlike Bala’s previous films, this untitled flick will be a commercial entertainer with equal mix of comedy and action-packed sequences.
According to the closer sources, they’ve mentioned that for the first time Bala has plans about working with A.R. Rahman. In the past, Ilayaraja had scored music for all his films 
(except “Nanda’ that had Ilayaraja’s son Yuvan Shankar tuning melodies).
Bala seems to have already completed the script works and would start shooting for the film."

thanks,

Krishnan[/tscii:5709418dad]

[Sureshs65]

even if it is one song - this handiwork of raja is the most satisfying aspect of listening to music in my life

Very well put Jai. Couldn't said it better myself.

I guess as Raja fans we now want almost everything from him and the first thing that hits our ears is what we don't like :D It takes us some time to realize what is good in the album :) Two amazing songs in this album and I am happy with it.

[jaiganes]

[tscii:be64a073f5]Bala's next movie might have music by ARR. Its going to be a commercial entertainer. Produced by Kalapathy S Agoram.

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/entertainment/vishal-aarya-in-balas-next-film_100251038.html

"Unlike Bala’s previous films, this untitled flick will be a commercial entertainer with equal mix of comedy and action-packed sequences.
According to the closer sources, they’ve mentioned that for the first time Bala has plans about working with A.R. Rahman. In the past, Ilayaraja had scored music for all his films 
(except “Nanda’ that had Ilayaraja’s son Yuvan Shankar tuning melodies).
Bala seems to have already completed the script works and would start shooting for the film."

thanks,

Krishnan[/tscii:be64a073f5]

Bala making entertainer (commercial) .
I am expecting apocalypse any moment now.
Balavai innuma purinjukka mattengaraanga?

[Sureshs65]

Thanks for the link raagas. You are right. Raja uses the same flute bit to build the song and what a song he builds !!

[rajasaranam]

Bala making entertainer (commercial) .
I am expecting apocalypse any moment now.
Balavai innuma purinjukka mattengaraanga?

JG,

Aren't all Bala movies Perfect Commercial Entertainers? :)

Another News item on the same lines :
http://sify.com/movies/fullstory.php?id=14911618
If the Movie is made it will be a roller coaster laugh riot is for sure. Bala :notworthy:

[AravindMano]

Another News item on the same lines :
http://sify.com/movies/fullstory.php?id=14911618
If the Movie is made it will be a roller coaster laugh riot is for sure. Bala :notworthy:

Content please :) Blocked here.

[Sureshs65]

Araving,

Here is the content:

"Noted director Bala is trying to make a multi starrer. He is trying to move away from his dark and morbid tales and do a full length situational comedy film.

Bala knows that without stars he will not be able to get an opening, and there are no takers for his kind of films which takes years to make.

The grapevine has it that he has signed Arya and Vishal to do this comedy venture together.

The film is to be backed by a very big production house, and the shoot is likely to start in January after Arya and Vishal completes their present assignments.

Meanwhile Bala is giving finishing touches to his humorous script."

[AravindMano]

Thanks Suresh :) Its quite ironic that we are discussing it here, in IR thread ;) The other link says music might be by Rahman.

[Sanjeevi]

Kannukkule - disappointed :(

[krish244]

Some info about "Kannukkulley":

http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/tamil/article/50168.html

"Dwelling further on the film, the director says, "Illayaraja was so impressed with the story that he involved himself completely while scoring the re-recording. He was moved to tears after watching the climax. We have used 30 violins to score music for the climax"."

thanks,

Krishnan

[MumbaiRamki]

How many times have we seen such words from director ?

Raaja sir would have cried ' Indha paduthukka poi music pOtomae!!"

[Shankar]

Pazhassi is the only hope I have on Raja...kaNNukkuLLE, maNNukkuLLE ellAm vittuttu he should focus more on quality work...I dont understand this man...How can a velu prabakaran script make him say Yes ?!?!?!?!

[Shankar]

>>>>
We have used 30 violins to score music for the climax
<<<<
avan thalai...Ayiram pEr sollittAnga indha mAdhiri kadhaigaLai....we heard someone who said for Time he scored 100 tunes and he chose the best (except for niram pirithu pArthEn the rest were kuppai, IMHO...Guru kuduththa manushan eppadi indha kuppai ellAm compose paNrAr nu theriyalai)

[Hulkster]

Hulk: While I too like some of the work Raja does on the synth and his ideas, what I feel is that this part of his work is not reaching a lot of people. On one hand it doesn't become popular or 'hit'. On the other hand it does not reach the hardcore Raja fan. (So it leaves only a few like us :)

The part i believe in such a scenario, is unless the movie requires a live orchestra to elevate the situation, thalaivar will be using 80 percent synth for all his songs. And on current basis, he seems to be having fun experimenting in his own style. So its either we change our mindset of (live instrument+"pleasant" synth) or we use shift+delete for all his songs. :lol2:

[Hulkster]

>>>>
We have used 30 violins to score music for the climax
<<<<
avan thalai...Ayiram pEr sollittAnga indha mAdhiri kadhaigaLai....we heard someone who said for Time he scored 100 tunes and he chose the best (except for niram pirithu pArthEn the rest were kuppai, IMHO...Guru kuduththa manushan eppadi indha kuppai ellAm compose paNrAr nu theriyalai)

If this was thalaivar he would say, ungalakku thevai sapaadu, naan koduppethu full meal, anaal unga taste thaan maari pochu :lol2:

[Sanjeevi]

>>>>
we heard someone who said for Time he scored 100 tunes and he chose the best (except for niram pirithu pArthEn the rest were kuppai, IMHO...Guru kuduththa manushan eppadi indha kuppai ellAm compose paNrAr nu theriyalai)

I can't agree this. I am big fan of 'Thavikkren' song.

But yes what 'the Director' of time said previously was konjam over. But still the problem was director he was the only person who choosed tunes out of 100 IR gave .

[irir123]

Pazhassi is the only hope I have on Raja...kaNNukkuLLE, maNNukkuLLE ellAm vittuttu he should focus more on quality work...I dont understand this man...How can a velu prabakaran script make him say Yes ?!?!?!?!

Shankar - I ditto your thoughts! how can a man with such phenomenal talent let it go down the drain, repeatedly ??

[kameshratnam]

Kannukkule - the album rocks

Just listen Engae Nee sendralum .....what orchestration and music...Well rendered by Karthik

Brings back old magic ...IR RULES

[krish244]

I liked enge sendralum and pudhu pournami and also pachai meni to some extent (for its techno kind of sounds).

Enge sendralum captivated me right from the prelude and kept my attention till the end. It is indeed Bela Shende and at many places I just could not understand what she sings.

I loved the tune of pudhu pournami as well. As Raagas revealed, a nice adaptation of "Illusions" track from I24H. The music for the song matches well. For me the reason why "enge sendralum" captivated me more (than this song) was the "orchestration". Otherwise, both songs has equally good tunes.

thanks,

Krishnan

[Sureshs65]

Shankar,

I think that since our expectations from Raja are sky high, we turn out to be hyper critical. If you read the reviews of any of the other music director's album, you will find that if 1 or 2 songs are good, the album will be hailed as a major success. Infact, in most of the Hindi and Kannada albums that I hear, not more than one or two songs are good. Recently I read a review of an album wherein the reviewer rates it very high because 4 tracks out of 11 are good!!! Now 'Kannukulle' has definitely 3 tracks out of 6 which are very good and to us it is a failure!! Yup. We do expect a lot from Raja.

All I can say is that 'engE nI' is a track which will match any of his great tracks. What an orchestration. Do you seriously believe any other MD could have conjured up a track like this. The way the strings work in this song does conjure up the image of 'Guru'. There is still a lot left in this man.

[Sureshs65]

How can a velu prabakaran script make him say Yes ?!?!?!?!

I don't agree with you, the part about Velu Prabhakaran having a script :lol: I thought that movie had nothing, in every sense of the word :D

[Shankar]

Suresh :)

[Shankar]

Suresh,
>>>>
I think that since our expectations from Raja are sky high, we turn out to be hyper critical.
<<<<

Nope...I had given up after hey Ram. i don't have any expectation whatsoever from Raja. TbI was something I was looking forward to, and I was in tears listening to TbI (btw, I was the first guy to pick it up in Blr Planet-M...they opened the box in front of me :) )

In fact, when I listened to one valmiki number without knowing who the composer was, I knew from the synth that it must be Raja...It sux so much !!

I don't find any album, nay any number, that makes you say 'wow', that's vintage raja!...

I expect Raja to come up with a number like masakali, which again, I listened to without knowing the album/composer, and said "man ! this is classic!!".

The Raja of madai-thirandhu's freshness is dead and buried, IMHO.

[ezy0265]

Dear Shankar,

IR has been, IMHO, far more quality tracks than the crab 'Masakali' consistently even till his latest album. IMHO if you did not appreciate Kooda Varuviya from Valmiki or Enge Nee Sendralum from Kannukkule, just to name there are so many more, then IMHO you are one crab fanatic fan of some Madakkili type of composer trying to give your not so honest opinion (NSHO) here.

You did not give up after Hey Raam...you must have gone selectively deaf after Hey Raam. Maybe you have lost your musical sense after listening to too much crab music.

[ezy0265]

What the hell does a music launch means to these people who deal with IR's music???
Maybe it means they have launched it in their kitchen and brought it out to their living room????
I guess this is one music launch which had happened in the ghost world...where are the CDs and at least where are the reviews for the music of Pazhassi Raja????

[Sureshs65]

ezy,

ezy, ezy. :) Couldn't resist the pun :) I guess each person has a different expectation and Shankar's is different.

Shankar: What is TbI? BTW, I feel that some of the songs of 'Jaganmohini' are definitely in the 'Madai Tirandhu' class. I would say it is more in the 'Vikram' class. I love three songs from that movie.

[MumbaiRamki]

Pazhassi Raja????
'Pazahya' Raaja - so it takes some time buddy ;)

[Plum]

Tiruvasagam by Ilaiyaraja, Suresh.
ezy, suresh beat me to the pun but thats really it. Shankar is a long time IR fan here.
While on this subject, the biggest change I find in myself is that I am not going out of the way to hear IR new releases these days, unless it is a naan kadavuL. Something is missing - I cant put a finger on it but Valmiki, good as I found it, is not the same IR who did Madai thirandhu. I make peace with it but if Shankar cannot, you guys gotta appreciate him because he hasnt reduced his standards he expects of IR. I cant say that for myself and probably deserve more condemnation from you guys - sometimes things are not what they seem, isnt it? :-)

[ezy0265]

I am sorry, no offence meant to hurt anyone here. I am not familiar with some of the histories of fan, but you have to admit it that there is too much being said here. I have also come across many old time IR fans, who have switched camps to other composers and have some personal agendas when posting here. Anyway it is ridiculous to expect the so call Madai Thiranthu IR to be still churning out Madai Thiranthus, then obviously he would have been sidelined like a Chandrabose or Deva years ago. The mighty of it all is that IR is still evolving and giving us surprises, no matter what others say. When others are already fading away in a matter of few years, after 30 strong years he is still going strong and steady....

As long as these so called critics are for real and honest its fine. But if a crab other composer fan come here and give crab stories I won't have to accept it.

[Sureshs65]

Plum,

What you say is fine. Maybe the Raja who did 'Madai Tirandhu' is not present in the same avtar. He has changed and I am OK with the change. Whether the changed music equals his earlier output is a question which is difficult to answer but to me the changed music is good in its own way. So I leave it at that. Maybe a 'Mallepoovu' does not evoke the same feeling like 'Ramudu Anukoledu' but 'Mallepoovu' on its own is good.

In another way I am OK with Raja's newer sounds. It is when I compare his latest musical ideas with other current composers I don't find any other composer, no exceptions, giving me the same sort of feeling that Raja gives. While I listen to lot of the current and do like some of the songs, I very strongly feel that none of them in Tamil or Hindi, have the sort of musical ideas that Raja has. And that is why I keep listening to Raja's latest albums.

[Sureshs65]

[quote} While I listen to lot of the current [/quote]

I meant "while I listen to a lot of the current MDs output".

[rajasaranam]

Anyway it is ridiculous to expect the so call Madai Thiranthu IR to be still churning out Madai Thiranthus, then obviously he would have been sidelined like a Chandrabose or Deva years ago. The mighty of it all is that IR is still evolving and giving us surprises, no matter what others say. When others are already fading away in a matter of few years, after 30 strong years he is still going strong and steady....

Perfect! :notworthy:

...and Shankar is also a Fan of Raaja but he is just entangled in the web of 80's. I know exactly what he needs from Raaja and surprisingly even Raaja knows that. But he just don't want to keep repeating the same pattern over and over. After 33 long years this man is 'experimenting'.... That shows the true Artist that Raaja is. An Artists inner craving can never be understood by us fans. We may have 1000 expectations from him but an artist will keep crossing his own boundaries. Its our mistake to tie him down to anything. A sane and rational person will not do it.

Shankar,

So what if Raaja does a 'Kaadhal Arangam' ? What is so holy about a 'Heyram' With Kamal's over indulgence and 'Artistically' biting the butt of 'Rani mukherjee' and having a violent sex with 'Vasundardass'? The scene showing 'vasundara's lips biting the jalebi During 'Isaiyil thodunguthamma' was the height of porno-eroticism. So! That is Art and VP's Kadhal Arangam is not!.
I can assure you there is no Sanity around. There is Eliticism, There is Radicalism, There is Anarchism...Rationalism is missing.
I do agree KA is poorly made movie (With a Beautiful Theme music for the love making scenes..Making us wish to make love the way Raaja is visualizing through his music ;)) and HR is a well made movie. But trying to ban an artist from working is Fascism.

[app_engine]

rs,

I think Shankar's reference of 'madai thiRandhu' is more than the song or time-period but as a metaphor:-)

Something that comes off without a "labored - tired-feel", sounding extraordinarily fresh / different etc.

The last few weeks or so I went back from recent AM's and vAlmeeki's to KVG / IK and such and feel similarly (though not so vehemently).

However, you're correct that while we may have many expectations, these should not be the "musical" criteria for IR. Let him keep trying out different things (like he had always been doing) and we may get another guru and such in the future, though definitely not at the remarkable regularity as in his early days :-)

[Sureshs65]

app_eng,

Guess this debate will continue on and off. Here is my contribution :)

I understand what you are saying. The feeling that comes over us when the prelude of, say, 'pADa vanthathO gAnam' starts. Maybe the same feeling doesn't exist for the newer songs. I too used to feel that way sometime back but the songs that I had initially thought weren't probably 'upto the mark' give me great pleasure today. A couple of examples would be 'oru chiri kandAl' and 'sringArA bangArA'. The very prelude of 'oru chiri kandAl' gives so much joy. Same is the case with 'melle oNNu' as well and there are quite a few such songs in the recent past. Especially his Malayalam and Kannada songs.

I would personally agree with RS and Hulk in that Raja is still experimenting and he is doing a good job of it. 'rangu rangu' is not like anything you heard earlier. Neither is 'ennaDa pAnDi' nor 'hoDadavane' nor 'chenduli chenduli'. These are so 'non typical' Raja but once you get a hang of it, you can definitely appreciate them. Infact I would say that compared to the late 90s Raja in TFM, I prefer the Raja of the past few years. The synth has become better, the tunes are getting more complex and he is ready to take the fight into other camps. All I can say is what RS says. He is a true artist and all he probably demands from us is that we listen to him carefully.

Regarding Shankar's comment about 'masakkali', all I can say is that a song like 'sringArA bangArA' has the same sort of energy that a song like 'masakkali' has. It is just that 'sringArA' is a far more complex song which demands a lot from the listener, unlike 'masakkali' which is more easy on the ears. I enjoyed 'masakkali' and heard it quite a few times. But after some time the effect wore off. But 'sringArA' still captivates me. So this is probably a case of 'to each his / her own'. Unfortunately today everyone wants something like 'masakkali' and are not willing to invest the time for 'sringArA'. Maybe Shankar can give 'sringArA' a listen. You have nothing to lose but everything to gain :)

[writeface]

Suresh65,

>>I don't find any other composer, no exceptions, giving me the same sort of feeling that Raja gives<<

Echo that. Whether his albums work for me or not. I am not too enthusiastic about KannukuLLE, but I can't get excited by any other composer, however hard I try. However rare it may be, but when Raja does break out of the synth-rut to deliver something fresh it is goosebumps for me!

The quality of movies and those he associates with -- totally irrelevant as I am not in the business of promoting him. I simply don't care anymore.

Somebody in this forum a decade ago suspected that IR's music changed dramatically after the death of his mother.

I will never write him off as dead and buried. His music is way too special for that. His failures in music show that he, too, is human and not a god as he is made out to be.

Wf.

[Sureshs65]

Snatches of one song, very bad audio quality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhmWXMO09gw

[Sureshs65]

Didn't write that the snatches were from Pazhassi Raja.

[app_engine]

I understand what you are saying. The feeling that comes over us when the prelude of, say, 'pADa vanthathO gAnam' starts. Maybe the same feeling doesn't exist for the newer songs.

You spoke my mind :-)

Possibly my bias / nostaliga etc (nothing can be done about it).

However, objectively speaking, there're at least two serious flaws that IR need to take care of in TFM :

1. Singers - other than Shreya G, none of his current singers come anywhere close to SPB / KJY / PS / SJ / JC, why even SPS! I heard the lovely 'lAli-lAli-lAli-lAli-lAlee,lAlee,lAlee' in the interlude of Oh veNNilAvE of Anandhakkummi yesterday and wondered what she is doing now, it's so sweet! 'pAda vandhadhO' was again on repeat last evening and the ease with which PS / KJY deliver some of the tough portions is stunning. (Ofcourse, I can hear KJY breathing somewhere during nadhigaL-iNaindhAl-kadalum-vazhi-vidum and PS beats him with better breath control in the equivalent unadhu-madiyil-uRangum-oru-kiLi, possibly because she took an unidentifiable breath after thOzheee :wink: )

2. Lyrics - the very fact that most of the songs that you quote as "good recent samples" are non-Thamizh is telling a tale that I need not elaborate. Dismal is an understatement if we say about the Thamizh lyrics in general nowadays and IR's in particular.

[Sureshs65]

app_eng,

Agree with you on both counts. Reg the singers, well, where are they? :) Even those considered among the better singers today like Karthik are not upto the standards of the past greats. (Shreya is good, no doubt about that.) While in the lyrics department I will agree with you that some steps need to be taken by Raja, in the singers department I am not so sure. Who can he try? As I was saying earlier, his compositions are complex and require someone who is really good to deliver. Added to it, Raja doesn't seem too keen to modify the voice by giving some gimmickry 'effects' which seems to be the norm nowadays. (I remember one of our regulars, was it you?, who asked how can they give 'best singer national award' given that singers sing a song piece by piece and make use of all the available technology like pitch correction etc)

[app_engine]

I remember one of our regulars, was it you?, who asked how can they give 'best singer national award' given that singers sing a song piece by piece and make use of all the available technology like pitch correction etc

I don't remember whether it was me, but I definitely agree with that comment!

While sometimes deserving ones get NA, often it's questionable, at times even a joke! (மயில் போல பொண்ணு ஒண்ணு, கிளி போல பேச்சு ஒண்ணு was supposedly a consolation prize fought and got by the TN rep in the judge panel - because they didn't want to give IR award for Bharathy :-) )

[MumbaiRamki]

Snatches of one song, very bad audio quality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhmWXMO09gw

Quite haunting , whatever is audible !

[kiru]

All of us are getting scolded at by ezy these days I guess :-)
Shankar since you mention masakaLi. I have to talk about Rahman a bit.
Rahman ushered in film industry the equivalent of what in the high tech industry call as "disruptive technology".
One man's classic tune and orchestration is another man's cliche and this is what Rahman attacked.
He worked like an expert surgeon replacing often used musical instrument and phrases with different ones.
Even when natural instruments were used they were "post-processed" on the computer to have a different sound.
Tradition rhythm patterns were replaced from patterns around the world - either recreated, ripped or pre-made chords/loops.
When singers from nearby states were trying to learn tamil and pronounce correctly, new singers from different corners of
the country were used and their "cute pronounciation" of tamil was used as a cool feaure.
In sum total, Rahman's music, was a totally new package and breath of freshness to the audience who were listening to raagam derived tunes and
indian instruments and western classical orchestra recorded live playing along with the indian tunes since the advent of film music in India.
Suddenly, film music in India were comparable to the latest POP music from America/Europe in terms of "sound".

Now, this is something of a challenge to a composer like IR who is rooted in classic idioms both indian and western.
How can a boxer fight with a karate fighther ? Synthesizers used by Rahman were now adopted by all, but for IR whose songs
had to rely on the "vibrato"/"naadham" of the main voice and the minimal instruments and accompanying them the synths did not
really help (Meanwhile Rahman added "reverb" effects to the voices and added melodious backdrops to the tunes to accompany the synth beats).

So IR went to the source of synth artistes like Enya, vangelis and used similar techniques in some late 90s songs.
Still he was rooted in his indian melodies and (this is my opinion) did not click with the globally focussed new high tech generation listening to
music on their small computer speakers or ipod headphones.
IR continued to rely on the synths just for the "different" sounds of instruments. In recent years, (again in my opinion) he has reached a level of
maturity in the "rhythm programming" which still relies on his knowledge of drum playing that they are now a natural
accompaniment to his tunes. Music in IRs kitchen is still made the same way, every instrument phrase, rhythm written and played (probably programmed) from scratch.
He does not visit a chinese/italian/mexican restaurant, comes home and mixes it up to surprise the kids.
Still it is the same sambar, poriyal, koottu but served in disposable plates or plastic plate served with spoon and fork.
No more "second-cleaning" the vaazhai ilai and waiting for the piping hot rice to be served and eat it with some freshly thaluchified sambar...

I see people here alluding to the "freshness" of his 80s music. I was listening to IRs recent kannada and little older telugu output while a stray "thalaiyai kuniyum thaamaraiyai" showed up in the lineup.
How much do i yearn for the acoustic instruments and these sort of indian tunes !!!!!.
Then I visualized replacing the synth instruments in "malle poovulo" ..
my suspicion it would be exactly like those 80s many of us here crave for !!

Maybe synths are here to stay like McDonalds and Pizza Hut..those acoustic treats will be like a rare visit to a high-end restaurant (like Guru or Pazhassy raaja). How much ever I am enjoying muththura muththamma or karugumani to some extent, I do feel sad at this state...

[Shankar]

Dear Shankar,

IR has been, IMHO, far more quality tracks than the crab 'Masakali' consistently even till his latest album. IMHO if you did not appreciate Kooda Varuviya from Valmiki or Enge Nee Sendralum from Kannukkule, just to name there are so many more, then IMHO you are one crab fanatic fan of some Madakkili type of composer trying to give your not so honest opinion (NSHO) here.

You did not give up after Hey Raam...you must have gone selectively deaf after Hey Raam. Maybe you have lost your musical sense after listening to too much crab music.

Dude,
Ppl here know about my taste and my "musical senses"...Instead of giving some smartalec comments and wasting hub-pages, say something substantial.

[Shankar]

Tiruvasagam by Ilaiyaraja, Suresh.
ezy, suresh beat me to the pun but thats really it. Shankar is a long time IR fan here.
While on this subject, the biggest change I find in myself is that I am not going out of the way to hear IR new releases these days, unless it is a naan kadavuL. Something is missing - I cant put a finger on it but Valmiki, good as I found it, is not the same IR who did Madai thirandhu. I make peace with it but if Shankar cannot, you guys gotta appreciate him because he hasnt reduced his standards he expects of IR. I cant say that for myself and probably deserve more condemnation from you guys - sometimes things are not what they seem, isnt it? :-)

Plum,
>>>
the biggest change I find in myself is that I am not going out of the way to hear IR new releases these days, unless it is a naan kadavuL.
<<<

oru vAsagam sonnAlum adhu thiruvAsagam....I cudn't have put it better. Exactly my thoughts. Of course, nAn kadavuL was excellent.

[Shankar]

Anyway it is ridiculous to expect the so call Madai Thiranthu IR to be still churning out Madai Thiranthus, then obviously he would have been sidelined like a Chandrabose or Deva years ago. The mighty of it all is that IR is still evolving and giving us surprises, no matter what others say. When others are already fading away in a matter of few years, after 30 strong years he is still going strong and steady....

Perfect! :notworthy:

...and Shankar is also a Fan of Raaja but he is just entangled in the web of 80's. I know exactly what he needs from Raaja and surprisingly even Raaja knows that. But he just don't want to keep repeating the same pattern over and over. After 33 long years this man is 'experimenting'.... That shows the true Artist that Raaja is. An Artists inner craving can never be understood by us fans. We may have 1000 expectations from him but an artist will keep crossing his own boundaries. Its our mistake to tie him down to anything. A sane and rational person will not do it.

Shankar,

So what if Raaja does a 'Kaadhal Arangam' ? What is so holy about a 'Heyram' With Kamal's over indulgence and 'Artistically' biting the butt of 'Rani mukherjee' and having a violent sex with 'Vasundardass'? The scene showing 'vasundara's lips biting the jalebi During 'Isaiyil thodunguthamma' was the height of porno-eroticism. So! That is Art and VP's Kadhal Arangam is not!.
I can assure you there is no Sanity around. There is Eliticism, There is Radicalism, There is Anarchism...Rationalism is missing.
I do agree KA is poorly made movie (With a Beautiful Theme music for the love making scenes..Making us wish to make love the way Raaja is visualizing through his music ;)) and HR is a well made movie. But trying to ban an artist from working is Fascism.

RS,
oru classic-aiyum soft porn ayium compare paNNreengaLE..njyAyamA :)

I'm not entangled in the 80s...I cudn't have loved Mumbai express had I been stuck in 80. Raja is sleepwalking thro' his composition sessions, and I know it...what we call great compositions in valmiki etc must've been done in 5-10 mts by him...I've listened to him for a good 25 years to know this :) That's what irks me...ellA padathulayum oru iLamkAthu veesudhE vandhA nAn yEn complain paNNa pOrEn :)

[anegan]

All of us are getting scolded at by ezy these days I guess :-)
Even when natural instruments were used they were "post-processed" on the computer to have a different sound...

Kiru,
What a coincidence. I was just think about "post-process" just before opening this thread. I don't think IR will ever do that. If he got a new idea or a correction, may be he will use it in his next attempt. That is one of the reason that I think, certain Raaja songs are not so impressive.

Who else can give so many new tunes like he did. Just look at 2008-2009 Uliyin Osai, Ajantha, kangalum kavipadudhe, Naan Kadavul, Nandhalala, Azhagar Malai, Valmeeki, Kadhal Kadhai, Jagan Mohini, Kannukulle. What more can we expect.

I care for his music. His popularity, awards etc. who cares? Neither he does.

[Bala (Karthik)]

I think Shankar's reference of 'madai thiRandhu' is more than the song or time-period but as a metaphor:-)
Something that comes off without a "labored - tired-feel", sounding extraordinarily fresh / different etc.

:exactly: Why is this so hard to understand :roll:

[Bala (Karthik)]

I'm not entangled in the 80s...I cudn't have loved Mumbai express had I been stuck in 80. Raja is sleepwalking thro' his composition sessions, and I know it...what we call great compositions in valmiki etc must've been done in 5-10 mts by him...I've listened to him for a good 25 years to know this :) That's what irks me...ellA padathulayum oru iLamkAthu veesudhE vandhA nAn yEn complain paNNa pOrEn :)
Shankar,
Ungalaala sila pala paadalgala rasikka mudiyalenna inga sila peru "adhu unga thappu Raaja enna pannuvaar? Avar maarittaar, avar music maariduchu, unga taste maarala, taste pathala. Onnu Raaja pottadha rasikkanum (unconditionally), illenna shift-delete pannanum, inga vandhu post panna koodaadhu" nu thuppaakki munai la mirattitu povaanga!

[app_engine]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/regional/news-interviews/Pazhassiraja-had-a-big-audio-launch/articleshow/5051662.cms

rAsA on foreign trip...

[irir123]

app_engine - that foreign trip is most likely to Budapest for "HAPPI" - IR edho left, right, center varra athhanai padathukkum Budapest Orchestravai pottu use panni thallraaru! aanaa appadi potta padamum release aaga maatengudhu (nandalala), appadi release aanaa, BGM tracks potta effortskku yetthha madhiri release aanna they will be very handy (for blokes like me for my purpose!) - adhuvum nadakkara maadhiri theriyala - orey kaduppu thaan michcham!

[irir123]

btw, listened to 'Shrungara' from prem kahani - dont know how could I have missed out on this gem - oh boy, IR simply runs riot!

could the 60 lakhs for this film have something to do with the output (since he gets only 25 lakhs in tamil ?) - is IR kind-of pissed off, of late, tat for the effort he puts in, he is not getting paid enuf, while lesser composers are getting equal pay for lesser stuff ? could money be the motivating factor - 'dei kaasu kuduthhuttu sarakkai yeduthuttu pongada' kindof thingy ??

[Hulkster]

Have you guys read the letters to his fans way back in 1970 with one of them being the husband of mdm usha who moderates SOTD here? They question his commitment for some of the movies but he replies that he gives in 100% effort regardless of what the movie type is.

You can never question thalaivar over his commitment to music. Once he is committed he will give the best output for that movie. Alot of fans mix this and that for evaluating what might be the reason for his "poor" output. He still gives the required commitment, it is us who cannot digest that he is scoring for this type of movie and that type of movie.

The question now is what do you guys want thalaivar to prove? It is certainly a mockery of his talent when we still want him to repeat something he has done infinite times over the years yet we dunt realise it. Its also not very good when you use that fustration to judge his songs straight away and give them a minus. There is always something special even in the "worst" of his songs.

[Sureshs65]

To an extent I agree with kiru. That though the synth is used, the musical ideas are equivalent to that of the natural instruments. Maybe that is why I still like his songs since to me the ideas matter and those ideas of his on the synth are not gimmicks. That is why 'mallepoovu' still captivates me and I consider that album a lovely one. Maybe the times are such that Raja is left with no option other than use the synth. All I can say is try removing the synth block and check out the ideas. You may find that rewarding.

Bala: What has been happening with Shankar is that there has been some counter arguments. While I don't agree with asking Shankar to do the shift delete the songs, I also don't agree with the statement of Shankar that Raja is sleepwalking through his compositions. The recent output shows a lot of thought and I guess you can definitely get irked with such statements and asked the person who made the statement whether he was sleeping while listening to the songs!!! (What I have noticed is that posters who attack Raja and his music have more supporters here than Raja himself :) )

Anyway, in such debates some extreme statements do get thrown up, 'he is sleep walking', 'your taste is not good enough' etc. We need to ignore it and continue with the discussion. Maybe both sides can see something more than what they have been seeing earlier.

[Sureshs65]

irir123,

I can understand your anguish when I watched a part of 'Lajja'. What a background score!!! But no one other than Raja fans know about it :(

[raagas]

Kiru,

I agree with you. And i think ARR's music is much more beyond the mere sound or pop-ness of it, atleast to me. One thing i do when i listen to his music is to de-link from other styles and listen to his music as standalone piece. Like if i listen to Madan Mohan's music, i dont look for a Salil Chaudhary there. If i listen to a S.D.Burman, i do not look for a Naushad there. Even in other forms, like say.. If i listen to L.Subramaniam, i dont look for Shakti there. I dont look for even L.Shankar, who plays same instrument as L.Subramaniam. Likewise, if i listen to ARR, i do not look for IR there. Having followed IR's music and ARR's music (in which i have my own likes and dislikes), i dont think its fair to compare IR & ARR, because approaches are radically different. I dont know why people still compare them. For me, a Shrungara Bangara is IR and thats the way i enjoy it. And a Masakkali is ARR and i enjoy it too.

ARR never set out to do what IR did and does. His approach is more of an amalgamation of experimental tunes. IR also does amalgamation, but it is more traditional amalgamation, in which he freaks out. Hence we have Indian Classical + WCM. And even when he did fusion, with rock or jazz, they blend and stick to their genres. ARR's amalgamation is a bit of everything, creating a wholesome ambience. like a bit of afro sound, with ghatam with some jazz and then few violins and an aalaap and a latino feel with accordian and so on, beautifully packaged. I still see ARR as a fusion experimentalist artist (like a Zakir Hussain, L.Subramaniam, L.Shankar, Louis Banks etc), who is just having fun in films. he makes every album sound like its a single piece by itself, good or bad. IR, on the other hand, has precise templates set, for treating each film according to theme. Now, if we have Pazhassi Raja coming up, we are already expecting a Guru or Hey Ram, because thats the template he has prepared our minds.If the film has classical music in it, we already have the template, that the songs could be in the range of Rudraveena or Uliyin Osai or like those classical songs from Ivan.

Both are good.. to have a template and live up to it(IR). and also to deviate from the expected styles(ARR). Else, whats fun in life?? :)

And its not just about technology, because similar technology today is available to almost every composer around. The reason i enjoy both IR and ARR is that i feel they are mutually exclusive and yet, there is an element of perfection in both. I think the same applies even to Shankar-Ehsan-Loy or Vishal Bharadwaj. Everyone has their own kingdom of music. Today, its unfair to compare composers, especially if each is doing some good work in their own way. A new Hindi/English film named "The Great Indian Butterfly" has music by various artists. The album is a nice listen with a combination of English songs, Hindi classical(shreya ghoshal stuns), Hindi folk. its like a good potpourrie of different styles. What i mean to say is.. there is lot of good music happening around. no point looking for one in another. :)

[raagas]

And after many deviations... Can we again get back to the topic - "Whats the update on Pazhassi Raja?"

And any news about SRK, the film that has been lying in cans since long?

[kiru]

Hulk..IR is very human..surely a big paycheck will make a difference in the output..whatever he says or even wants to be.
Suresh..good to know I am not alone with this opinion.
raagas - I like ARR for cool, fun songs.. but I relisten to IR songs more than ARR's.
Somehome I feel IR's "build from scratch" approach has less chances of getting a hit. So I am okay if he gets only one or two hit songs in a movie.
I dont know what Shankar was or not listening. Surely, IR was not sleeping through those kannada song compositions or even for those telugu songs I and Suresh are referring to.

[rajasaranam]

RS,
oru classic-aiyum soft porn ayium compare paNNreengaLE..njyAyamA :)


I hope You understand that Iam not against HR :)

which is classic which is soft-porn will be judged and decided only after the artist is allowed to present his work for our eyes. From the past records, hoping to get only crap works, rejecting an artist is not 'just' in my books. Even Raaja's thought process is on the same lines AFAIK. Raaja Quoted verbatim "Ammi kutha theriyatha sirpi irukrathaala samoogathukku enna payan".

We should come to accept that these soft porns are always existing in our society and they sometimes get into mainstream culture also. Read some poems from kamba ramayanam, aalvaar paasurams or study some Dance mudras in Bharathanatyam.
We can reject them completely like the Dravida Iyakkam saying they are porn-literature, Titillating porn-movements or, as a 'rational' (Which DK is advocating ironically) person try to understand the underlying ethos, psyche or the literary & cultural values of those verses and move along.
This should also not mean that we take a stand of eliticism in accepting Kambars poems as literature and rejecting the vernacular 'Madini madini machaan illaya ippa veetula'.

Raaja too is a person who is not judgmental about ART. he clearly knows that both are art forms and doesn't restrict himself or define his boundaries. The same person who sings a 'Kaamatchi Karuna Vilasini' can sing 'Intha Ammanukku Entha Ooru'. Raaja accepting to work with VP or KH is not a matter. He works with the same passion for KA and HR is sure. The end product should be more important for him or Us. and I don't find a difference in his dedication towards his work in both movies. The difference lies in the creative abilities of the person who commissioned Raaja for their movies.

Romba neelama irukrathaala konjam surukkama solraen 'Pronography'nnu sonna ithayum othukku(HR, Kambar) athayum othukku (KA, Madini Madini...) We not be hypocrites with double standards. Raaja is not!

[rajasaranam]

I'm not entangled in the 80s...I cudn't have loved Mumbai express had I been stuck in 80. Raja is sleepwalking thro' his composition sessions, and I know it...what we call great compositions in valmiki etc must've been done in 5-10 mts by him...I've listened to him for a good 25 years to know this :) That's what irks me...ellA padathulayum oru iLamkAthu veesudhE vandhA nAn yEn complain paNNa pOrEn :)

Being Entangled in 80's means many more things. Its the complete culture is what Iam talking about. Just think about how many times you would've listened to 'Madai Thiranthu' in those days in the Tape Players, Street Side Players, Television channels etc.,.. etc.,, That was a period when we were constantly getting exposed to Only Raaja and his songs and a period when Raaja was giving music loaded with extreme 'Romanticism' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanticism) (Hmmm....Another study matter in regards with the philosophies of Art movements and their Existence/Expression in Raaja's music...He is the only Composer who cannot be tied down to any single movement) in it. As a Metaphor I can compare 60's acting of Shivaji with 80's music of Raaja. Both are heights of Melodramatic expressions of Emotions. (80's la Shivaji illaendra kuraiya theerthu vechathey Raaja'thaan :D) Nowadays he is becoming more of a Post-Modern composer (We can listen to shades of this theory emerging in his early compositions itself) Though sometimes he does indulge in Romanticism like 'Elankaathu Veesudhey'.

[Sureshs65]

raagas,

I fully agree with you when you say that we need to listen to a composer / composition on its own merit and not worry about another composer at that point in time. I do listen in the same way and I derive a lot of enjoyment.

Having said that, I also have to disagree with you regarding the other point. It is a major myth that has been created in recent times that Rahman experiments and Raja does not. Or that Rahman has no rules and Raja has rules / templates. I don't agree to this at all. It is just a matter of perception. Let me explain this using your own experience as an example. It is not Raja who is having a template. For example, when Jaganmohini came out it was you who were expecting another 'Uliyin Osai' and you were puzzled with the music of JM. In an album like 'Nandalala' you did not expect a song like 'kai veesi' and expressed your amazement. You have similar thought why Raja should give that 'kuthu' type of song in 'Shiv Shankar'. In spite of being surprised more than once, you still feel Raja is more template driven :D That is what I call as perception. It is we fans who are expecting Raja to tune to our preconceived notion. You were expecting 'Uliyin Osai' for 'JM', someone would have been expecting a 'Karagatakaran' for 'Bagyada Balegara'. (Who would have thought there could be a 'chendulli chendulli' in a folk based story?) Who ever expected 'Mumbai Express'. So saying that Raja has a template to live upto is simplification at its best and an insult to his creativity at its worst!!! While we all love to analyze, oversimplification is a major danger that we must avoid. (As an aside, let me tell you that my experience with Rahman's music has been quite different. Many a times when I listen to his tunes, including 'masakkali', I get the 'I have heard this before' feeling. Whereas in many of Raja's newer tunes, I am wondering how did he conjure this up?)

To give you another example of perception, when 'Uliyin Osai' came out, the more 'modern' sounding songs were criticized as being not suited for the period movie. At the same time, when lot of modern instruments were used for 'Jodha Akbar', it became, 'Rahman has no rules'. :D

All I see as a template from Raja is that if a song is a happy song, the tune must communicate that happiness, if it is sad, it must communicate the sadness. The newer MDs don't seem to feel that needs to be true. As Plum had noted earlier, a song like 'Anjala' from VA (Harris J) is supposed to be a sad song but the tune no way communicates that. If a sad song is tuned like a disco number and if that is 'experimentation', more power to the MDs :D

[rajasaranam]

I think Shankar's reference of 'madai thiRandhu' is more than the song or time-period but as a metaphor:-)
Something that comes off without a "labored - tired-feel", sounding extraordinarily fresh / different etc.


Avar Eppadi sonnalum The songs being quoted by most Raaja fans are from 80's and Iam taking it as a time-period of insanity (in a +ve sense) of the fans being constantly bombarded with the music of Raaja (40-50 movies per year). we wont know from which direction the song is going to hit you. We wouldn't even had time to sit and analyse this much like now. Oru maathiri moga or Pitha nilai. I've given some explanations on the type of music theory that Raaja followed those days in a previous post.



:exactly: Why is this so hard to understand :roll:

nemba kastam, Mozhi Puriyala.

[Sureshs65]

Well, well, this thread is becoming like an essay writing competition what with RS, raagas, kiru and I writing lengthier and lengthier posts. I just saw my own post and was horrified at its length!! So let us for some time 'stop meesic' :lol:

Getting back to the title of the thread, why is Pazhassi Raja, who bravely fought the British, hiding from us still :)

[rajasaranam]

Shankar,
Ungalaala sila pala paadalgala rasikka mudiyalenna inga sila peru "adhu unga thappu Raaja enna pannuvaar? Avar maarittaar, avar music maariduchu, unga taste maarala, taste pathala. Onnu Raaja pottadha rasikkanum (unconditionally), illenna shift-delete pannanum, inga vandhu post panna koodaadhu" nu thuppaakki munai la mirattitu povaanga!

Hope its not indirectly directed towards me and Iam trying to have a meaningful dialog with Shankar.

Aiee.... Yaaruppa athu inga thuppakki ellam eduthuttu vanthu meratrathu :think:

[raagas]

raagas,

I fully agree with you when you say that we need to listen to a composer / composition on its own merit and not worry about another composer at that point in time. I do listen in the same way and I derive a lot of enjoyment.

Having said that, I also have to disagree with you regarding the other point. It is a major myth that has been created in recent times that Rahman experiments and Raja does not. Or that Rahman has no rules and Raja has rules / templates. I don't agree to this at all. It is just a matter of perception. Let me explain this using your own experience as an example. It is not Raja who is having a template. For example, when Jaganmohini came out it was you who were expecting another 'Uliyin Osai' and you were puzzled with the music of JM. In an album like 'Nandalala' you did not expect a song like 'kai veesi' and expressed your amazement. You have similar thought why Raja should give that 'kuthu' type of song in 'Shiv Shankar'. In spite of being surprised more than once, you still feel Raja is more template driven :D That is what I call as perception. It is we fans who are expecting Raja to tune to our preconceived notion. You were expecting 'Uliyin Osai' for 'JM', someone would have been expecting a 'Karagatakaran' for 'Bagyada Balegara'. (Who would have thought there could be a 'chendulli chendulli' in a folk based story?) Who ever expected 'Mumbai Express'. So saying that Raja has a template to live upto is simplification at its best and an insult to his creativity at its worst!!! While we all love to analyze, oversimplification is a major danger that we must avoid. (As an aside, let me tell you that my experience with Rahman's music has been quite different. Many a times when I listen to his tunes, including 'masakkali', I get the 'I have heard this before' feeling. Whereas in many of Raja's newer tunes, I am wondering how did he conjure this up?)

To give you another example of perception, when 'Uliyin Osai' came out, the more 'modern' sounding songs were criticized as being not suited for the period movie. At the same time, when lot of modern instruments were used for 'Jodha Akbar', it became, 'Rahman has no rules'. :D

All I see as a template from Raja is that if a song is a happy song, the tune must communicate that happiness, if it is sad, it must communicate the sadness. The newer MDs don't seem to feel that needs to be true. As Plum had noted earlier, a song like 'Anjala' from VA (Harris J) is supposed to be a sad song but the tune no way communicates that. If a sad song is tuned like a disco number and if that is 'experimentation', more power to the MDs :D

I do agree Suresh. By meaning that IR has templates, i dont mean every film. And I liked JM songs(3 of them) precisely because they were out of template.Ponmani Theril is kicky, because IR did what i thought ARR would so - going against the expected frame. Even Mumbai Express for that matter, i liked it a lot. Infact most of the releases this year are extremely satisfactory to me, because IR struck a fine balance between his brand of music and the unexpected brand. We had Oil Tharum, which is his brand and yet a Ponmani theril (where innate ideas are yet his brand..) had unexpected packaging. The song Rangu Rangu has things that i must say are non-typical IR at the very face of them..because of their irish colours (and thats what ARR usually does). Yet i liked them.
But dont you think IR's recent songs are scoring higher than some of his late90s songs. we feel so because he is slowly transitioning from templates which were more evident in late 90s. Our perceptions could be because of what all he has dished out in 80s and early 90s. In a combination, somehow the output in late 90s didnt score much high, atleast compared to his recent ones. The song "Kaatri Vizhi" from "Adhu Oru Kanaa Kaalam" has a fantastic blend of Irish music with tamil folk. Now that had to happen in post-2000 era and not in 90s. Because, i think IR too is slowly embracing other forms of music (apart from ICM, WCM, Jazz etc forms he was exposed to in 70s-80s-90s). Thats nice. I'd like him to do that and yet keep sticking to his strengths (of ICM and WCM).

Ya.. reg UO and JA, i dont know why UO was criticised. Ya, instruments might sound modern, but then we listen to songs and not watch them right. Its fine. Thats why i liked few songs in JM too. And JA too, was not completely modern, it had a Bhairavi composition called "Man Mohana" which made up for the non-period-ic experiement (incidentally, thats by Bela Shinde.Did IR discover Bela there?)

My essay ends here! :)

[Bala (Karthik)]

Hope its not indirectly directed towards me and Iam trying to have a meaningful dialog with Shankar.

Aiee.... Yaaruppa athu inga thuppakki ellam eduthuttu vanthu meratrathu :think:
:lol:
Adhu neenga illa saar :)

[Bala (Karthik)]

which is classic which is soft-porn will be judged and decided only after the artist is allowed to present his work for our eyes. From the past records, hoping to get only crap works, rejecting an artist is not 'just' in my books. Even Raaja's thought process is on the same lines AFAIK. Raaja Quoted verbatim "Ammi kutha theriyatha sirpi irukrathaala samoogathukku enna payan".

We should come to accept that these soft porns are always existing in our society and they sometimes get into mainstream culture also. Read some poems from kamba ramayanam, aalvaar paasurams or study some Dance mudras in Bharathanatyam.
We can reject them completely like the Dravida Iyakkam saying they are porn-literature, Titillating porn-movements or, as a 'rational' (Which DK is advocating ironically) person try to understand the underlying ethos, psyche or the literary & cultural values of those verses and move along.
This should also not mean that we take a stand of eliticism in accepting Kambars poems as literature and rejecting the vernacular 'Madini madini machaan illaya ippa veetula'.

Raaja too is a person who is not judgmental about ART. he clearly knows that both are art forms and doesn't restrict himself or define his boundaries. The same person who sings a 'Kaamatchi Karuna Vilasini' can sing 'Intha Ammanukku Entha Ooru'. Raaja accepting to work with VP or KH is not a matter. He works with the same passion for KA and HR is sure. The end product should be more important for him or Us. and I don't find a difference in his dedication towards his work in both movies. The difference lies in the creative abilities of the person who commissioned Raaja for their movies.

Romba neelama irukrathaala konjam surukkama solraen 'Pronography'nnu sonna ithayum othukku(HR, Kambar) athayum othukku (KA, Madini Madini...) We not be hypocrites with double standards. Raaja is not!
Well articulated!
Aana, the issue is not "eroticism", "pornography" or "sex" per se in terms of mere content. The god is in the details. And tharaatharam nu onnu irukku. Yeah, Sakkarakatti, Unakku 18 enakku 20 are not classics by any yardsticks but honestly, edhu stature adhigam nu nenaikkareenga, even within the framework of crappy films? As fanatics ungalukku lighta disappointment illaya?
Dedication is something we should not be commenting on, agreed. Aana neengale sonna madhiri, mostly the best creators inspire the best music from our God (exceptions are aplenty though, where Raaja's music has elevated many a crap movie). If he has nothing to prove, the least one would wish he would do is to score for some of the films that he has worked on in the recent past.
Matravanga comment panradha vittu thallunga, as a fanatic namakku varuthama dhaane irukku?

[Bala (Karthik)]

Kiru,
And i think ARR's music is much more beyond the mere sound or pop-ness of it, atleast to me.
And its not just about technology, because similar technology today is available to almost every composer around.
:exactly:



And even when Ilaiyaraaja did fusion, with rock or jazz, they blend and stick to their genres.

Strongly disagree. Whatever genre Raaja touches, he stamps his own signature there. Thats the main reason there is a perception that Raaja does not experiment, fuse genres etc. On the contrary, with Rahman, the genres retain their original mark (exceptions are there of course)

[Sanjeevi]

I understand what you are saying. The feeling that comes over us when the prelude of, say, 'pADa vanthathO gAnam' starts. Maybe the same feeling doesn't exist for the newer songs.

You spoke my mind :-)

Possibly my bias / nostaliga etc (nothing can be done about it).

However, objectively speaking, there're at least two serious flaws that IR need to take care of in TFM :

1. Singers - other than Shreya G, none of his current singers come anywhere close to SPB / KJY / PS / SJ / JC, why even SPS! I heard the lovely 'lAli-lAli-lAli-lAli-lAlee,lAlee,lAlee' in the interlude of Oh veNNilAvE of Anandhakkummi yesterday and wondered what she is doing now, it's so sweet! 'pAda vandhadhO' was again on repeat last evening and the ease with which PS / KJY deliver some of the tough portions is stunning. (Ofcourse, I can hear KJY breathing somewhere during nadhigaL-iNaindhAl-kadalum-vazhi-vidum and PS beats him with better breath control in the equivalent unadhu-madiyil-uRangum-oru-kiLi, possibly because she took an unidentifiable breath after thOzheee :wink: )

2. Lyrics - the very fact that most of the songs that you quote as "good recent samples" are non-Thamizh is telling a tale that I need not elaborate. Dismal is an understatement if we say about the Thamizh lyrics in general nowadays and IR's in particular.

Highly Agree this

See Bele sindi (is the name correct?) how she is singing 'Enge Nee Senralum'. She could not bring the softness as like Karthik did in the same song. Another example Nannavaru song. and yes No one can close the versatlity of SJ, SPB now a days (SG is an excemption and Karthik at some extent). In other word the current singers are not able to bring what IR thinks in mind. I remember here the words from IR in his 'Varalatru Suvadugal', "MV totally changed 'Aatukutti Muttai' song of 16 vayathinile". This is one of example how the song changed the form from what IR thoughts even on those glory days. Now I completed understand why IR stuck to very little amount of singers.

About lyrics, we can blame IR in some extent. But still what the film directors did or do :sigh2:

I feel there is another important reason more than the above two reasons. The project he has done / are doing recently. Mose of them are uppuma films and almost nobody don't have interest on them.

[kiru]

Kiru,
And i think ARR's music is much more beyond the mere sound or pop-ness of it, atleast to me.
And its not just about technology, because similar technology today is available to almost every composer around.
:exactly:

I did not say the contrary earlier ..just to keep the record straight





And even when Ilaiyaraaja did fusion, with rock or jazz, they blend and stick to their genres.

Strongly disagree. Whatever genre Raaja touches, he stamps his own signature there. Thats the main reason there is a perception that Raaja does not experiment, fuse genres etc. On the contrary, with Rahman, the genres retain their original mark (exceptions are there of course)

Exactly ..thanks for helping me here. In the 80s IR would not have done a rangu rangu..check out the the orchestration of the same tune ..mella vandhu ..ennai thottu ..manmadhan un vElaiyai kAttu..
IR has always incorporated ideas from around the world in his compositions. and like you said he puts his signature on it. It is only the new composers want you to immediately recognize a number as jazz, rock etc and use the samples/loops as is. (rangu rangu might have been done by Karthik Raja as well or IR might have relented "if this is what the kids want I can give it too" ..)

As Suresh said, I am too disgusted at the lenght of my posts as well..so stopping here :-)

[Sanjeevi]

Kannukkule - disappointed :(


I take back my words :)

[Sanjeevi]

The film was released today

Any body watched in FDFS :lol:

[NormalMan]

Pazhassi Raja audio ennapa aachu?

[Hulkster]

Pazhassi Raja Video Songs Samples(Poor Quality as it is by a webcam but nevertheless)

Courtesy of ForumKerala : Prasanthabcd

The rise of the revolution (www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTfUzONXNyc)

<a href="www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WcWOLJSfF0">
A romantic melody</a>

[Sanjeevi]

awesome

What is missing in IR songs now a days is not missing here. I mean songs have awesome ludes

Thanks Hulk

[Hulkster]

I think its more of situation demand. If you notice carefully thalaivar's interludes are longer and more profound when the situation has scenery or a story in itself. Like a minimised background score.

I think most of them will like the melody but orchestration wise the "revolution" song is thunderous. :D

[Sureshs65]

Hulk,

Can't thank you enough for the links. I wish we get our hands on the actual music soon.

If you notice, this is the typical Raja. Both of the songs are so 'malayalam' in nature, especially the second one. As the writer Jeyamohan has once remarked about the music of the movie Atharvam, "It is as if the music was scored by a master who knew nothing other than music of Kerala".

The second song, what a melody. Based on the ragam Abheri. It has been some time since Raja used that ragam. I think it is Chitra and she does a wonderful job.

I hope the producers out their hear our revolutionary cries. Please release the audio soon.

[Sureshs65]

Check out how the revolution tune twists and turns in the charanam. Only Raja can conjure this up. And observe how the second quietens down suddenly when it becomes a night scene.

[crvenky]

IR's new project: 'Thandavakkone'

http://cinema.dinamalar.com/View_Vimarsanam.aspx?id=231

All new faces.

[irir123]

the visuals are breathtaking!

[krish244]

jaganmohini release postponed:

http://sify.com/movies/tamil/fullstory.php?id=14912284

thanks,

krishnan

[Bala (Karthik)]

Pazhassi Raja Video Songs Samples(Poor Quality as it is by a webcam but nevertheless)

Courtesy of ForumKerala : Prasanthabcd

The rise of the revolution (youtube.com/watch?v=aTfUzONXNyc)

<a href="youtube.com/watch?v=3WcWOLJSfF0">
A romantic melody</a>
Hulk,
I'm getting a 404 for both the links...

[Hulkster]

A better quality of chitra's melody

Kunnathe Konnakkum Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD-1nk0vQKw)

Trailer : Courtesy of Forum Kerala

Promo Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmcpxzLJsV4&feature=player_embedded)

[Hulkster]

Hulk,
I'm getting a 404 for both the links...

Try this link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTfUzONXNyc

As for the other song you can refer to the better quality version in my latest post.

[Hulkster]

Listening to Chitra's melody, the whole piece is so divine. The melody is everflowing and the interludes are pure bliss. :D

BTW The trailer is not the official trailer, its just made up with scenes from the trailer with songs added in. Actual one is quite long and they say has thalaivar's background score enhancing it to hollywood standards.

[MumbaiRamki]

Pazhassi raja - Tamizh version will have prologue by kamal and srk in hindi.

( The music piece in the website itself is enchanting ..waiting for the release of the movie )

Kanukkulae - enge nee, pudhu pournami are pretty good , naan piranda nerama is also nice .

(Visuals for pudhu pournami too are not that bad )

[Sureshs65]

Bala,

In the earlier link posted by Hulk, forumhub.mayyam.com preceded the actual youtube url. So I had to copy the url and cut off the forumhub part to get to the youtube clip.

[Sureshs65]

Hulk,

Enchanting. That's the most apt word for Chitra's melody. She does a great job.

The trailor looks good and after quite some time, a movie to look forward to. I am sure the background score would be scintillating.

[krish244]

Both songs are nice and also the orchestration, especially the Chitra song. Everything about the song is just superb.

thanks,

Krishnan

[Hulkster]

Hulk,

Enchanting. That's the most apt word for Chitra's melody. She does a great job.

The trailor looks good and after quite some time, a movie to look forward to. I am sure the background score would be scintillating.

Yup, hopefully it releases in Singapore as well and i guess it will. Its been long since i saw a film with thalaivar's music. :D

[irir123]

Chithra melody from Pazhassi Raja - its this kind of a flow that IR used to incorporate in almost all of his 1980s stuff and when the flow was not required for a fast track, he substituted with raw energy with live percussion/ bass lines - sometimes combined melody with raw energy in such a way that even his most poppish songs had melodic phrases

but this year i see a return to those combos!

[Sanjeevi]

the tracks are telling return of Thiruvasagam Raaja :)

[Hulkster]

Oru Mapilla Paatu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGDsUH7TLKQ) (Poor Quality as it is by a webcam, but better than nothing nevertheless)

Courtesy of Forum Kerala

You can hear amazing percussion usage in this song. Seems to be a muslim wedding song.

[baroque]

The song resembles the tune

நீ இல்லாத இடமே இல்லை
நீதானே உலகின் எல்லை
அல்லா அல்லா அல்லா அல்லா ...Ever popular & mystic :musicsmile: ஸ்ரீ.விஸ்வநாதன்

http://www.dishant.com/jukebox.php?songid=58995

thanks for the youtube.
vinatha.

[rajasaranam]

Iam restricting myself from listening to the songs in Youtube since I want to listen to them only in a good quality system. :oops: You guys posts are tempting me :evil:

[NormalMan]

Are the CD's available in stores? :think:

[Sureshs65]

Good work Hulk. Another lovely song. The Middle Eastern influence is clear.

The raga seems to be what is used in the typical Middle Eastern melodies (atleast typical Middle Middle Eastern Indian film melodies :) Mayamalavagowla or one of its close cousins.

[Sureshs65]

After listening to the three songs of 'Pazhassi Raja' till now, I can only say that whatever I heard reinforces what Rajasaranam has been saying all along. That Raja gives the music that is 'needed' for the movie. When you hear the songs and see the visuals, you see how aptly they fit. It is almost like the songs were not separately made but woven into the story like the dialogs themselves.

Your 'poorva jenmam' doesn't leave you so soon :) So here is an analogy from management. When a lot of successful CEOs were interviewed and the commonality amongst them analyzed, it found that all the successful CEOs did one thing well. That is, they always did 'what was needed' for the company at that time. They did not do 'what they wanted to do'. It is the same with Raja. When he takes up a movie, he does what is needed for the movie, not what he wants to do. Just because he has ideas on WCM, Jazz or ICM, he doesn't thrust them in a movie when it is not needed. This is the sort of integrity of Raja that I respect the most. The mark of a true artist.

[Hulkster]

Good work Hulk. Another lovely song. The Middle Eastern influence is clear.

The raga seems to be what is used in the typical Middle Eastern melodies (atleast typical Middle Middle Eastern Indian film melodies :) Mayamalavagowla or one of its close cousins.

Yup :D. But after the first two lines after the interlude, there is a twisting and turning violin that employs middle eastern music in a unique way. Very catchy as well. Did anyone else notice?

RS : Quoting pachaimeni song from kannukkulley : Vaa vaa machan machan :lol2:

[MumbaiRamki]

percussion rocksin this song - !

[kameshratnam]

Audio cd enga??????????????????????? :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

[Hulkster]

Audio cd enga??????????????????????? :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

I think its a thalaivar syndrome. Either his albums take atleast more than one week to release after the function or they appear out of nowhere. if PA has the same problems than we can say thalaivar has indirectly pioneered the skill of having albums releasing at unexpected times. Maybe the sound engineers have problem mixing thalaivar's compositions as they may be too complicated. :lol2:

[appushiva]

:)

Hello,

Friends - really i enjoyed the debate on analyzing IR's music, each person given their own feelings in a nice way. The debate should continue the forum is for discuss , so be free.

Now, Chill out guys with the song below: :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j56mj_dsZeQ&feature=related

Let's hope the combination of Ilayaraja and rasool pookutty awake some deaf ears..

[ezy0265]

baroque!!!

How the hell does this sound "resemble" Nee Illaatha????? You must have simply come over here to irritate or if you were honestly thinking so then reveal your donkey senses as this is "karpooram" my dear friend!!!
Please take the same trouble and effort to go and find out how similar Yaar Mila from Blue is to YSR's Theepidikka and Namma Kaattula.