What was the Last Ilaiyaraja song you listened to? - Part 2.

[tvsankar]

Ishtakarikku - Sooriyan

veryyyyyyyyy sweeeeeeeeeeeet......

[tvsankar]

Koda mannin - KJY and KSC

enna oru Enthu..............

Excellent no from our Raaja....

http://www.raaga.com/channels/malayalam/moviedetail.asp?mid=M0000350

[Sureshs65]

Recently bought a CD which had 'Illam', 'Thanga Thamaraigal' and 'Pudhir'. Except for the 'hero hero' song which I have heard in Kannada, all others songs were new for me. I haven't heard of these films either. (I am sure many of you would know about these films.)

I find all the songs good but special mention to two of my current favorites, 'nandavanam' from 'Illam' and 'muthal mutham' from 'Pudhir'. SPB does a nice job in 'nandavanam', while 'muthal mutham' is a very delicate number done gorgeously by Jesudas and Janaki. The second interlude has lovely strings which are embellished by the flute and other instruments. The mild Kalyani tinge adds to the lustre of this song. Heavenly.

Here are the links:

'nandavanam' : http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00189.html

'muthal mutham' : http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00524.html

[Sureshs65]

Usha,

I had three versions of 'kodamanjin', male solo, female solo and the duet, recorded on my tape and used to play it in my car. Never have I felt bored listening to the same song 3 times continuously. Infact, in my mp3 player, I have six versions one after the other!!! The three versions in mp3 and the same versions in wma and I never skip even one of them!!! Such is my love for this song. Raja's take on Suddha Saveri ragam has always been nothing short of exceptional and this song confirms it.

[Devaraagam]

I find all the songs good but special mention to two of my current favorites, 'nandavanam' from 'Illam' and 'muthal mutham' from 'Pudhir'.

Suresh, nandhavanam is my evergreen song which I am listening for the past 20 years but still I am feeling that as fresh number. I know you will hooked with that for next one month. :)

you will feel the freshness when you hear that again and again.

caution: do not watch the video

[Sureshs65]

Thanks for the warning DR. I have been an 'audio' guy most of my life and I will stick to it :D

[raj_musing]

Great song from the movie sami potta mudichu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeMZzfxnXaY

However I was looking for the folkish "Madhulam kaniye" sung by raja himself.That was the pick of the album.

Another nice song from Kilipechu Ketkavaa--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=866NqfI9EkQ&feature=PlayList&p=C020CEE86C87882B&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=34

[raj_musing]

another one from Udan pirappu...nice one!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIISmK4l2CM&feature=related

[raghavendran]

thendral vandhu theendum bodhu...awesome songs

[Sureshs65]

'kadhal kavidhaigal padithidum neram' from 'Gopurangal Saivadhillai'. A very unique treatment of Mayamalavagowla. Instead of following the general pattern of Mayamalavagowla, the way the song is structured seems to be on WCM lines. This is one good example of how to merge carnatic ragam with WCM. That the tune is very fetching helps as well. Sung with great finesse by SPB and Chitra as usual.

[tvsankar]

raj musing,
Thanks for the youtubes.

ADhigam kaetkadha padalgal. Thanks for the lisings.

[tvsankar]

Suresh,
Koada manjal - 3 version - ipodhu dhan theiryum.

Duet version matum dhan kaetu iruken.

Sudha saveri.. hmm.

IR - sudha saveri - Madhyamavathi pola, rombavum pidikum.

Rettai kliligal - KJY and KSC.

Very Great Renditiion.....

vazhakam pola, Violin, Flute and the Guitar.......

Arabi jaadaiyum iruko?

[tvsankar]

Kadhal kavidhaigal - Iaiyai - Time Sense oda
control panni,

Inga Nikkarar Namma Raaja......

[tvsankar]

vecha paarva theerafhadi - Ilamai kolam - KJY

I like his style in this song.......

[tvsankar]

raja musing,
Thanks for - Udan pirapu.

Nandri sollave en mannava - Beautiful song.....

suresh - idhu Vagulabarama?

[tvsankar]

kombula poovu suthi - Virumandi

enna paatu. enna oru tempo..........

[Plum]

Suresh, you can add a 7th and 8th version of kodamanjil - look out for konda malli from ninuchoodaka nenundalenu(also has jaaji malli another version of enna solli paaduvadho from en mana vaanil plus one more from kochu kochu)

[Plum]

Kombula poova suthi an absolute riot. Enna instrument use paNNAlum madhurai maNNin maNAm vIsa pAttu thara mudiyum raajavAl!

[Sureshs65]

Plum,

Yes. I do have that version as well :) Of course Raja changes the charanam to get the Telugu flavour. I love the 'vara veena mrudupani' part a lot. Somehow that transports the whole song to Andhra Pradesh.

Very true about 'kombula poova suthi'. I remember our Bala(K) posting a video in which you can see Kamal singing this song in the studio in front of Raja. Excellent energy, very modern instrumentation and yet the 'mann vasanai' remains intact!!

[Sureshs65]

Listening to 'chinna polike ledu'. As is typical of Raja's recent Telugu films, this also seems to be a total washout and one more gem goes unheard by the public. Unfortunate.

The way Raja has tuned this song and the instrumentation is mind boggling. There are so many things happening in the song but Raja makes it sound so very simple. Only when you listen keenly do you know how layered the instrumentation is even when the song is being sung, not only in the interludes. What I believe is that Raja is keeping the same complexity of orchestration but not making it as obvious as his 80s songs. This gives many of us a feeling that Raja is not orchestrating like old days. I don't think it is true. Listen to 'chinna polike' carefully and I am sure you will agree with me :)

[tvsankar]

plum,
Thanks for konda palli....

[Hulkster]

Mella Pesungal - Kelaayo Kathal Nenjin Osai

Amazing composition where it just runs you over with the orchestration. This was one of many gems i uncovered in a thiraipaadal expedition of thalaivar's lost albums.

:notworthy:

[tvsankar]

GAna gana - komberi Mookan - SJ and MVD

one more Rare no Hulks.....

[tvsankar]

Ilamai rathathil - KSC - Ninaika therindha manamae

[tvsankar]

vanna vanna poonthotamae - SJ - Pootadha pootukal

Instruments ku - mood and expression - IR kite matumae kaeka mudiyum.........

[tvsankar]

Garjanai

1. Enna sugamana ulagam - MVD and Uma ramanan

2. Varuvai anbae - SJ and ??


Haunting composiition...

[Hulkster]

Usha akka, yega patta gems uncover pennirukenge. Ithukkey guinness records yezhuthalaam :clap:.

[Sureshs65]

'siru siru siragugalil' from 'Konji Pesalam'. A lovely composition. Very energetic though fully done on synth. Well sung by Unnikrishnan.

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00306.html

[Hulkster]

'siru siru siragugalil' from 'Konji Pesalam'. A lovely composition. Very energetic though fully done on synth. Well sung by Unnikrishnan.

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00306.html

Sometimes i wonder how this albums go unnoticed. I listened to it only once and every song just stuck to my heart. This was one of the many albums post 2000 where it deserves golden status amongst his infinite best albums list.

[tvsankar]

Huilks,
Raaja sir - paata pottu vechu irukar.

eduthu solradhu periya vishayama.......... :shock:

[tvsankar]

one more Rare no

anna ivan - Ponnu veetukaran - SPB

i like this IR ..

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00501.html

[raj_musing]

Have you ever listened to this one? Manitha Manitha sung by KJY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gejStyii-i0

I believe the situation is a preparation for war.Correct me if somebody has seen the movie..The orchestra setting here is just amazing...!!
I believe the "Adiyusha sandhya" from Pazhassi raja is also in a similar league,but this is way ahead in terms of orchestration...

Enjoy this brilliant song from the great maestro....

[raj_musing]

Another one from Puthu patti ponnuthaayee...
Song with a typical rythm which is the backbone of this beautiful composition....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX63S5T5L2M

Enjoy this as well...

[tvsankar]

raj musing,

Thanks for ooradangum samathula

indha paatuku naan romba romba romba kiruku.

ipo dhan 1 maasama kaekalai...
link kuduthu paithiyam panniteenga............ :D

[tvsankar]

Polladha asai vandhu
solladha sedhi sollum

SPB and VJ

Rare combo in Raaja music

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00317.html

Beautiful chords.......

Nice modulation.....

Sweet Rendition by SPB and VJ

as usual Raaja = Guitar........

[tvsankar]

idhezhenum - Mano and SJ

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00242.html


Nice song. IR' Guitar, Flute...........

Flute - mesmerising..........

[tvsankar]

Engae nee sendralum - kannukulae

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00748.html

romba naal achu... indha paatai kaetu...

(paatu melae oru pasam. hmmm..)

[tvsankar]

Kadhella kadhella katharikaaya - Swarnalatha - Sethu

this is the first time kaekaren.

Nalla iruku........

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00593.html

[tvsankar]

Ninaithu ninaithu - Unnikrishnan - Sethu

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00593.html

[ajithfederer]

Thoongadha vizhigal rendu and sundari(thalapathi) in tandem since the last 2 days.

:clap:.

[raj_musing]

raj musing,

Thanks for ooradangum samathula

indha paatuku naan romba romba romba kiruku.

ipo dhan 1 maasama kaekalai...
link kuduthu paithiyam panniteenga............ :D

Oh is it? :P

[raghavendran]

the all time classic."en iniya ponnilave"

[raajarasigan]

Kaathirundhen thaniye -- RAASA MAGAN

indha maadhiri paattu ellam prashant padathuluya... :twisted:

paarabatcham paakkaama pottu koduthirukkar...

[tvsankar]

Oru vaana vil polae - SJ and PJ

evergreen song to me

[tvsankar]

Kaathirundhen thaniye -- RAASA MAGAN

indha maadhiri paattu ellam prashant padathuluya... :twisted:

paarabatcham paakkaama pottu koduthirukkar...

apo, indha paatuku enna solveenga ..

Udal thazhuva - kanmani


wat a compositiion. wat an instrumentation..........



http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00262.html

[tvsankar]

Malli malli - SPB and SJ - wat a renditiion.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y45g1bXR2o

Sudha Dhanyasi ????????

Majestic Orchestration.

[Hulkster]

Ambigai Neril Vandhaal - Mama Maalai(S.Janaki) (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0174')

A truly amazing interlude and the funkiness of this song. GOD how many more songs like this are still not found yet? :notworthy:

[tvsankar]

Hulks,
SJ + IR = 70 paatavadhu - unga list la varum.

(enna ... lyric konjam bayam katum. Tune podara IR potutar. SJ um paaditanga. Nama sollika than konjam :oops: )

IR SJ - Thedi kaetu parunga. pl.......

[tvsankar]

Unnai than azhaikiren - SJ - Gayathri

year - 1977.

Acharyathudan kaeta paatu idhu.

Inniki varaikum - Acharyam pogavilai.

Radio vil kaekadha sound ellam ipodhu dhan kaetkiren.....

[tvsankar]

paruva kalangalin kanavugal - MVD and SJ

Moodupani

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00369.html

[tvsankar]

Alai osai

all are rare gems.

[tvsankar]

Chkendra adaiyil - SJ - Iniya uravu poothadhu

Aerobic theiryadha naalil - Raja voda composition....

really Perfect song for aeorbics....

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00203.html

[raj_musing]

A nice dance beat from Vazhkai-"Mella Mella"...good use of violin and guitar....wow!sit back and Njoy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86Ge33pGnu8&feature=related

[Hulkster]

Hulks,
SJ + IR = 70 paatavadhu - unga list la varum.

(enna ... lyric konjam bayam katum. Tune podara IR potutar. SJ um paaditanga. Nama sollika than konjam :oops: )

IR SJ - Thedi kaetu parunga. pl.......

Wokays :D

[Hulkster]

Ezhuthatha Sattangal - Then Kulathiley Kulikkavaa (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR0908')

Another one in the list, But the interludes are in a totally different world compared to the stanzas. The song follows a qawwali rhythm while the interludes are in thalaivar's true guitar flourishes. Just for these separation of two styles which for him is equivalent to toe dust is enough for us to listen again and again. :clap:

[Hulkster]

Kai Kodukkum Kai - Paartha Pacha Pulla (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR1424')

This might belong to the freak out list. Sometimes the way he uses guitar to express comical touches in a song is amazing. Prelude is an example of this. Fun song to listen to especially for the aadu style singing by the male lead.

[Hulkster]

Kairaasikaran - Then Sumantha (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR1431')

The orchestration for this song is of a different scale altogether. I am not sure if the instrumentation points to any sort of specific genre but it is something that is so unique i am amazed about it. :clap:

[Hulkster]

Kelvium Naaney Bathilum Naaney - Sollikkodu Sollikkodu (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR1672')

Catchy tune with nice flourishes of flute. Sounds slightly unique for a thalaivar tune.

[Hulkster]

Kuvaa Kuvaa Vaazhthukkal - Nenachen Nenachen (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR1784')

Another song with Interesting orchestration. The first interlude looks like thalaivar's fusion of oriental and western music. Does anybody else feel like that? Amazing song. :notworthy:

[tvsankar]

Hulks,
Thanks for the listings. Nice narration about the songs.

Partha pacha - padam pathutu pidikama pochu.
apram inniki than kaekaren.

flute - vaasichavar - evvalavu kashta pattu irupar..

ipadi azhuthama stroke vara.........

very short notes..... with strong sound......

This is IR.. This is the Greatness of the Player.

ada da.. Excellent Charukesi.

[tvsankar]

Then sumandha

Haunting chorus..........

Violin works - motha volin aiyum,

honey la soak pannitu, play pannina
epadi irukum...

apadi oru - vazhikindu pora strokes....

SPB ku reply pannum bits - so sweet....

Rhythm - Idhu Raaja's Special.........

Flute - Lengthy one. But starting la vara oru kulukal.. really amazing.......

play panradhu romba kashtam dhan. am sure...

[Hulkster]

Then sumandha

Haunting chorus..........

Violin works - motha volin aiyum,

honey la soak pannitu, play pannina
epadi irukum...

apadi oru - vazhikindu pora strokes....

SPB ku reply pannum bits - so sweet....

Rhythm - Idhu Raaja's Special.........

Flute - Lengthy one. But starting la vara oru kulukal.. really amazing.......

play panradhu romba kashtam dhan. am sure...

Rhythm oru thani levelil irukku pa. The beautiful thing about thalaivar is that his songs can cater to so many people without all of them being interested in the same point. Some can be mesmerized by the tune in this song, the others could be listening to the guitar orchestration while i am deeply amazed by the rhythm. :clap:

[Hulkster]

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[Hulkster]

Manaivi Solley Manthiram - Maami Maarey (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR1903')

Besides the obvious comical feel and the carnatic tones of this song, its the rhythm(Not sure what beat cycle this is) which exchanges between tabla and mridhangam which amazes me. Thalaivar should be given a phD for using the wackiest combination of percussions and rhythms composed.

[Sureshs65]

Listening to the songs being posted by Hulk. Nice ones.

Also listening to 'unnai thedi thedi' from 'Konji Pesalam'. Love the way the bass is played during the pallavi. (Is it synth bass?) The interludes are nice with the bass always being present.

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00306.html

Many a times when I listen to Sadhna Sargam in Raja songs I get the same feeling as I get when listening to Hariharan. While she is undoubtedly a good singer, I am not too sure if she is well suited for Raja songs. Does anyone else have this feeling? Never get that when listening to Shreya sing any song of Raja.

[Hulkster]

:exactly: She is suited only for thalaivar's extremely soulful melodies. I guess you have that feeling due to her very ghazal like voice which sounds abit like asha bhonsle and that we have a strong pre-image of S.Janaki, Chitra and Shreya usually singing thalaivar's songs.

[app_engine]

'ஆரோ பாடுன்னு தூரெ'யுடைய கர்யோக்கி இசை. அருமை, அருமை :-)

When the recording centers those days used the karoke track of 'iLamai idhO idhO' to fill the ending part of cassette tapes, it was a big treat for instrumental lovers. Interestingly, it was left to play in whole even in buses.

At times I used to wonder how it would have been had the lead melody was included as instrumental as well (say in lead guitar / flute / solo violin / sax). That could have easily made it to the world's top smooth jazz stations without any question.

Same applies here too, if there's another version with sax, it will be an easy candidate for smooth jazz stations and will definitely be well received.

There was indeed an instrumental track by IR's team for the 'iLamanadhu' song of selvi (another end-filler-of-cassettes for recording centers). This one was not a karoke but the melody played using possibly a keyboard / accordian and was enjoyable (though not as good as the SPB/SJ version) :-)

[Sureshs65]

Following a discussion in Illayaraja Yahoo groups, listening to 'ennai thotu alli konda' from 'Unnai Nenaichen Paatu Padichen'. Not sure how I missed this superb song. A nice classical touch runs throughout the song. Excellent second interlude and nice singing by Balu and Swarnalatha.

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00682.html

[Sanjeevi]

Following a discussion in Illayaraja Yahoo groups, listening to 'ennai thotu alli konda' from 'Unnai Nenaichen Paatu Padichen'. Not sure how I missed this superb song. A nice classical touch runs throughout the song. Excellent second interlude and nice singing by Balu and Swarnalatha.

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00682.html

:shock:

neenga appo appo antarcia, artic, moon appadinu oru trip adichuttu vanthurukkeenga pola irukku

[Sureshs65]

Sanjeevi,

:lol: You are almost right. My trips took me to places like Sindri, Rajgangpur, Jharia, MWHO, Nagda etc which sometimes seem more remote than Antartica and Arctic circle :) And believe me, these are places in India!!! I have visited them during the early 90s!!!

[eagle]

Last night i was listening to "Do anything" from "how to name it" repeatedly that i have lost count.

It may not be a 100% fit one (it aint no song) to be listed here. But i insist.

[app_engine]

வானவில்லே, வானவில்லே (ரமணா)

Sweet song, picturised nicely too.

Just finished watching the movie and the BGM is very appropriate and never loud as in the case of all current MDs.

Interestingly, IR is quite brilliant in ceasing to play any BGM at a number of places to enhance the effect! OTOH, where it calls for a grand score (as in the case of student uprise), his lets the strings loose to get the complete goosebump effect!

Master craftsman without doubt.

[Hulkster]

Nalla Naal - Veynaam (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2250')

Besides the erotism in the lyrics, this song is yet another of those with an instrumentation where you wouldnt dare put 2 and 2 together but somehow fits blissfully well in thalaivar's hands. Especially the second interlude. :D

[Hulkster]

Neram Nalla Neram - Kattil Paattu Onnu (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2350')

I realised that his most interesting instrumentation happens for erotic songs. So. I. Listened....to another one. :oops:

There is this brilliant flute bit that comes in the song in two places particularly around the start of each stanza which really rounds off a style of orchestration which you thought would never find its place in a seductive song.

[Hulkster]

Neruppukkul Eeram - Ammamma Thegam Sudukirathey (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2353')

This song is out of the world. Ecstasy. Whatever you want to call it. :notworthy:

[Hulkster]

Nerupukkul Eeram - Maamane Maamane (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2355')

Such a fun tune. Guitar-maniac prelude, A totally wacky shenai in the first interlude. Kadavuley :notworthy:

[Hulkster]

Niyaayam - Vetkapada Vendam Vettukkiliyey (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2404')

One of those songs where the guitar is on a rampage in the ludes. It is certainly worth a thousand listens just for those ludes. :clap:

[tvsankar]

idha kaetu irukeengala...

Raja rani - Netrikann - MVD and SPS

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/allsongs.asp?txtselected=&schMovieName=Netrikan&schSongName=&schSinger=&schLyrics=All&usesound=on&sbt=Search

really nice no.

[Hulkster]

:exactly:

Thalaivarodeiya mahimeiyey thani mahimei. Same situation, yet he comes up with extremely different numbers for each of song and my word to describe them as scintillating would be an understatement. Ludes again are out of the world. Can i safely say that thalaivar's most inventive orchestration comes for such situations?

[tvsankar]

vaadaigai veedidhu - VJ - paadadha theenkal

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00453.html

[Hulkster]

Oh Manne Manne - Pon Maane Theduthey (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/tpplayer.asp?sngs='SNGIRR2430')

Forget Murali's comments about him being successful due to thalaivar's music. Mohan here literally made a living from thalaivar's music. Even if Mohan builds a statue for thalaivar in front of Hollywood, he would still have 99 pereent of nandri kadan left in his debt bank.

Lilting song with piano breezing over the song especially in the prelude. :clap:

[Sureshs65]

Hulk,

In Usha's parlance, you are giving me a lot of homework :) I haven't heard any of the songs bar the 'Maane Maane' one. So this weekend will be dedicated to your listing :) And you said erotic. Karumbu thinna kooliya? :D

[Hulkster]

Appadiyum yeduthukkalam. :lol2:

I have been listening to his old songs with one hope of finding unknown gems but in reality to discover his style of orchestration. I have got to say, that each album has atleast two songs that you wouldnt believe he composed within 1 day.

Its quite logical to see why the older fans tend to harp back to the glorious 80s for any comparison but to me it seems his present output has the same extravagance and uniqueness that comes with every song back in those days. Heck the extent of how he uses synth and their sounds have the same wackiness as of today. Perhaps the sound quality then didnt let them notice the similarity. :?

[tvsankar]

Thanimaiyil yar ival - VJ - Azhagae unnai aaradhikiren

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00068.html

romba romba ketta paatu idhu..... :oops:

[tvsankar]

aadudhu ulam - SJ - Kaveri maan

idhu innoru ketta paatu.....

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00290.html

[tvsankar]

Mottu than - SJ

Dharmapathini

Nice Guitar work.

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00115.html

[tvsankar]

Yerudhae - SJ - not KSC

kaiveesamma kai veesu

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00250.html

very nice guitar works.......

[ajithfederer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8D2e8oHgv4&feature=related

From 0:09 - 1:16
Shruthi Haasan remixes(??) Then paandi seemayile song and sings it. I like this song.

[rajasaranam]

Inthaal Adangave Maataara :D Thoanda Thoanda Puthaiyal vanthutte iruku :notworthy:
Brathukantha Judam (http://www.mediafire.com/?lidyxm3w0dl) From the movie Mangalaya Bandham (http://www.cinemelody.com/Labels/Suman_Movies_Songs_Download/Mangalya-Bandham-Songs-Download.htm) is awesome in its Musical Texture and Orchestration. Prelude & Interludes are simply out of world. Dont know whether the song was available in its counterpart Naan Paadum Paadal (http://thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00393.html) album Earlier and then got Dropped out. If not this extra song for Telugu Version shows clearly his bias towards Andharavadu's :rant:

[tvsankar]

RS,
How r u ....

thanks for the song.......

[Hulkster]

Thanimaiyil yar ival - VJ - Azhagae unnai aaradhikiren

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00068.html

romba romba ketta paatu idhu..... :oops:

Avarodeiya ketta paatu thaan rombo nalla irukku, isai vadivama :lol2:

I wonder has anyone ever managed to compile his songs according to genre before besides a few threads in our forum. Would be a mammoth of a task considering that songs that actually composed to a genre are very few for thalaivar as he has a tendency to use the instruments from any genre in his own unique style.

[tvsankar]

Hullk,
yes.

ketta paatu - hmmm...

ipadi oru beautiful tunes ku - kacha mucha nu lyrics... scene...

Manushan kavalai padalai. adhanala dhan indha Raja

ISAI KADAVUL A enaku thonudhu........

mottu than - kelunga. very nice no........

[tvsankar]

ketaa pattu nalayae
ithanai varusham kaekamalyae irundhuten.

inum age dhan aga poradhu.

IR ai miss panramo nu thoni poi,
ella paataiyum porupa kaetundu iruken......

[tvsankar]

mottu than - Rhythm and the Guitar

mesmerising composiition...........

[Hulkster]

Wow, once again its the type of song that you cant believe was composed for this situation but it somehow fits. Bramandam :clap: Especially the violins seductively supported by a simple tabla rhythm in the second interlude.

Another discovery about his erotic songs, is the tune has a very strong melody base when you compare to other seductive songs.

[tvsankar]

repeated mode la iruku indha paatu

wat a compositiion..

instruments - amazing..........

Guitar - IR. tats alllll......................

unexpected tabla........ speed breaker madhiri........ hehhe....

SJ - ivanga lala dhan paatu nalla iruku....... :oops:

mottu than

[tvsankar]

saami ada vaikara paatu onnu iruku

Aman kovil kumbam engae

saami adida poren nu bayathoda kaepen.

adhuku appram

mottu than - ada vechudumo nu bayathoda kaekaren.

Full paatulayum - IR touch - irundhindae iruku,.

adhan special ... i think..........

[Sureshs65]

'mounam elanouyi' from 'Sagara Sangamam. Saw one episode of 'Paadutha Teeyaga' in which the contestant sang this song. K Vishwanath and then SPB were liberal in their praise of Raja. For those who want to watch it, here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l84GcpKBEE&feature=related

[app_engine]

'mounam elanouyi' from 'Sagara Sangamam. Saw one episode of 'Paadutha Teeyaga' in which the contestant sang this song. K Vishwanath and then SPB were liberal in their praise of Raja. For those who want to watch it, here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l84GcpKBEE&feature=related

:clap: :clap: Thank you Sureshji!

The instrumentalists for this TV program are awesome, exact replay!

[swathy]

yendha poovilum vaasam undu
yendha paatilum raagam undu
yendhan vaazhvilum artham undu
pudhu uravu pudhu ninavu
lalalalla ....
dhinam dhinam aanandham aanandhame

[tvsankar]

Swathy,
Welcome.. how r u?

[Sureshs65]

swathy,

Lovely song. An excellent composition of Raja. What 'thullal' in this song.

app: Very true about the instrumentalists. I also like the instrumentalists who play for the Idea Super Singer program in Asianet. They too practice well and reproduce the interludes exactly. Lot of talent getting washed away by synthesizers. We as listeners are the losers.

[raj_musing]

Classic song..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbomWqbTGKU&feature=channel

Composer Deepak dev says that a unique melody instrument similar to Harp was created only for this particular movie! This instrument was used extensively for re-recording and for the songs...Perhaps the first of its kind..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOERPUCyPr4

In the comments section both Alphonzh(vocalist in ARRs Vinnai thandi varuvaya) and deepak hints about the complexity of this composition.Deepak says that concentrating on the "shruthi" and the scale of the song is the real challenge for the singer here as the orchestration of this song is of a different level and if the singer follows the orchestra he may go out of shruthi and hence he should concentrate only on the scale of the song and never bother about the orchestra at all !!!

[app_engine]

Got the link to this wonderful youtube video from RV's blog (awardA kudukkuranga) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYfSHElYR2M

Kunnakkudi playing 'maNNil indhakkAdhal indRi' on violin :-)

[ajithfederer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vHNeirsTtc&feature=related

Andha Vanatha Pola - Chinna Koundar

IR brings the sorrow in his vocals.

[raj_musing]

Got the link to this wonderful youtube video from RV's blog (awardA kudukkuranga) :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYfSHElYR2M

Kunnakkudi playing 'maNNil indhakkAdhal indRi' on violin :-)

Brilliant,especially from 2.35 onwards where he demonstrates how he does that....

[app_engine]

Some more Kunnakkudi delicacies :

rAkkammA kaiyyaththattu :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oNX9Ml8iUM&feature=related

inji iduppazhagi:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo9-rb6dCcg&feature=related

chinna rAsAvE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U-4QHS0QBc&feature=related

[tvsankar]

siru kootulae - Mano and KSC

NIce harmoniam.....

nice guitar....

Beautiful punctuatios of Flute..........

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00458.html

[app_engine]

Emotional overdose this morning as I burnt a CD with the thAlAttu songs put together in a blog and pushed that into the car player :-(

ஒரு சந்தனக்காட்டுக்குள்ளே (ஜானகி, எல்லாமே என் ராசா தான்)

அப்படியே நாடி, நரம்பையெல்லாம் சுண்டி இழுக்குற பாட்டு. கண்ணில் நீரும், தொண்டையில் பந்தும் உத்தரவாதம்!

சரணத்தில் வரும் மெலடி ஓட்டம், மேற்கத்திய இசையும் நாட்டுப்புறப்பாட்டும் பின்னிப்பிணைந்திருக்கும் ராசா ஸ்பெஷாலிட்டி!

This song has brought me back the 'வீட்டைக்கட்டிப்பார்' memories as I used to play this frequently at the time of completion of the construction in 1995 :-)

[tvsankar]

Emotional overdose this morning as I burnt a CD with the thAlAttu songs put together in a blog and pushed that into the car player :-(

ஒரு சந்தனக்காட்டுக்குள்ளே (ஜானகி, எல்லாமே என் ராசா தான்)

அப்படியே நாடி, நரம்பையெல்லாம் சுண்டி இழுக்குற பாட்டு. கண்ணில் நீரும், தொண்டையில் பந்தும் உத்தரவாதம்!

சரணத்தில் வரும் மெலடி ஓட்டம், மேற்கத்திய இசையும் நாட்டுப்புறப்பாட்டும் பின்னிப்பிணைந்திருக்கும் ராசா ஸ்பெஷாலிட்டி!

This song has brought me back the 'வீட்டைக்கட்டிப்பார்' memories as I used to play this frequently at the time of completion of the construction in 1995 :-)

kannil neerum....

Ellam Raja padara portion la dhan app.........

Raj kiran kuga porandha IR - ipadi than thonum...

95 la veedu katineengala....... hmmmmmmmmmm.

enga chinna size veetai extend panna, plan pannina time adhu.hehehe..

veedu - IR - Enaku epavum - |Sevandhi pookalil seidha veedu...............

[tvsankar]

kadalora kavidhaiyae.....

Hulks - pl idhaiyum kelunga.


kadalora kavidhaiyae - chorus

http://thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00084.html

[Sureshs65]

'oru vanavil pole'. I am not listening to it in the conventional sense. Since app_eng mentioned this song in another thread, it is automatically running in my head and I hear it clearly :)

[jaiganes]

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00364.html

Listen to "Uyire, uravin" from this wonderful album - It is a literal lesson in crafting pallavi, charanam, preludes, interludes (with all the bach keys), and watch out the wonderful postlude that will take us back (forward?) to 'Poottukkal poataalum".
Amazing song and wonderful singing by SJ (little keechu in some places).
Pity that the copy they have in thirai paadal is a bit scratchy.. Looking for a good quality recording.

[tvsankar]

jaiganes,
apo indha link la irukara vishayathai ai parungo.
Nichayam , u will enjoy....

http://raagadevan.blogspot.com/2009/09/counterpoint-for-dummies.html

[tvsankar]

idhai ellam padikara bhagyam matum dhan
- indha birth la kedachu iruku. (Thanks to God.)

Adutha birth venum - Idhai ellam purinjika.......

[Hulkster]

kadalora kavidhaiyae.....

Hulks - pl idhaiyum kelunga.


kadalora kavidhaiyae - chorus

http://thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00084.html

Super ma. This is one of thalaivar's umpteenth facets. A typical village styled chorus smartly placed upon a simple western rhythm. The stanza that comes after the second interlude seems to have a synth sound replicating jazz-like sounds. Anyone felt like that? Such a fun song :happydance:

[tvsankar]

Hulks,
Thanks for the lisstiening.

Synth - ipadi solli oru vaarthiayil mudikara vishayam ilai idhu.

Ethana vidhamana sounds.

Sounds - IR composition la, manidhargalai pola

Feelings, expressions and the mood - ellathaiyum
romba azhaga velipaduthum.

Eventhough its Synth.........


about the lyric - hahaha. Lyric nu onnu thevai ilai ena artham.....

Nativity - Kadalora nativity ai express seiya mudiyum - synth sound la.......
This is our Raja.

as usual - Am adidcted to the Rhythm pattern............

metha onnu vangi vandhen - idhan pinnadi varum sound.

very very very Naughty.....

2nd interlude

Beautiful. IRE's Touch.

Hulks - oru portion la matum, indha IR ai purinjika mudiyalai..

Super a oru Road a jolly a riding pora apo vara speed breaker
madhiri,

oru thadukara thalam vandhu breadk pannuvar parunga..

nejama - konjam kobam varum enaku........

ana - ipdiyum eduthukalam dhan..

neraiya ghee pottu senja sweet alwa ku nadula vara cashewnut madhiryum....... :lol:

ana enaku - nalla road la naduvula vara speed breaker madhiri kobam dhan.......... :D

[tvsankar]

Pulan visaranai

Ilamaiku enna vilai - SJ

Kalakal Guitar - SJ ku pinnadi................

Great .... Great............

naan sonna Speed Breaker... hmmmmmmm...


Starting style ku samandham illadha stanzas.....

REally they are something different.......



Ilamaiku enna vilai - SJ

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00521.html

[rajkumarc]

Kaadhal Oviyam Kanden from Kavikkuyil - http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00291.html

Listened to this beauty this morning driving to work. The world seemed so perfect. The song creates such a serene ambience, the rendition of young Sujatha, the pleasing interludes, the beautiful lyrics. A truly divine song.

[tvsankar]

kadhal oviyam kanden

Mellisai madhiri iruku - idhan apo vandha comment ...

But, its a Beautiful Gazhal indeed.........

namaku kaekara Nyanam vara vara,

indha IR oda paatoda azhagai rasika mudiyum..

Azhagu - Feelings and expressions il complete agum........

[Sureshs65]

rajkumarc,

Same blood :) I had posted about 'mellayonnu' and expressed the same feeling: Everything is fine with the world.

[thumburu]

Usha and Hulkister, a lot of catching up for me to do regarding the obscure gems you people have unearthed . Hulkister, Raja showcased the best of his orchestration for such brazen, 'no-holds barred' numbers . "Mayakkamaa oru kalakkamaa" from "naan potta savaal", "nilavu neram" from "annai oru aalaiyam" being apt examples . Give them a listen at your own peril of losing your control.
My last Raja song :
"oru naaL unnodu oru NaaL" from yesteryear "Uravaadum nenjam". This might have been one of the first major "singles" hit in the IR's urban milieu before the media hastened to project him as the folklore Raja. I like the Janaki of this time period. The way she sings "oru naaL" is simply scintillating and so are the sharp violins and the sharper flute like instrument trying to overtake the violins in the first bgm. SPB lends that perfect match to Janaki

[tvsankar]

thumburu,
thanks for the listening.

oru naal - s. everfresh song......

SJ SPB IR combo - tats all.

[tvsankar]

Nice to hear in telugu.
same tune. but with different interludes....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12qpEOsxkTg&feature=related

lovely rendition............

[tvsankar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZvsIQpkHYk&feature=related

[Hulkster]

Hulks - oru portion la matum, indha IR ai purinjika mudiyalai..

Super a oru Road a jolly a riding pora apo vara speed breaker
madhiri,

oru thadukara thalam vandhu breadk pannuvar parunga..

nejama - konjam kobam varum enaku........

ana - ipdiyum eduthukalam dhan..

neraiya ghee pottu senja sweet alwa ku nadula vara cashewnut madhiryum....... :lol:

ana enaku - nalla road la naduvula vara speed breaker madhiri kobam dhan.......... :D

I guess because he is actually replicating the situation in the song which he usually does. His songs are like a visual imagery system, from the sounds you can imagine what is happening. :D

Thumburu, :exactly: but all these obscure gems were covered because i was looking for particularly those type, i havent even listened to the other songs from the albums they came from. Yeppadiyum 50 yrs old aagara munaadi listen pennidulaam :notworthy:

[tvsankar]

Vayasu pulla - Kizhakum Merkum

idhu folk song. ha hahah.

Indha IR irukum varai - Tamil Nattu village people

irukum varai,

Indha Isai Asiriyar - Nalla paadam kathu koduthindae irupar.(kaalathuku yetra madhiri.)

70 village listner naan........
80, 90. 2000, 2010..........

ovoru stage Village in maatrangalaiyum, rasanaiyaiyum
gavanithu,

isaiyin rasanaiyai uyarthum indha Maha Kalaiynyanai

enna vendru solvadhu.............

REally am very much moved........

Vayasupulla


http://thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00301.html

paatai kelunga. comments apparam.........

[Sureshs65]

'Unnai Patri Sonnal' from 'Madhiya Chennai'. According to me this is a certified classic. The tune in the charanams is amazing. The way Raja builds up the tempo and the melody is worth savoring multiple times. The interludes are good but what is best in the song is how the instruments support the song throughout. Those who think Raja is no more interested should listen to this song. So much work has gone in and it so complexly layered in terms of orechestraion. Is in a loop now.

[tvsankar]

suresh,
nice no.

instruments pathi sollungo.

piano iruka..........

[tvsankar]

late 90s and 2000s

IR's Instruments -

Scientist madhiri edho kandu pidichi, kalaiki, oothi, produce pannidu irukar Suresh.

idhan en feelings.

[tvsankar]

vayasupulla - kizhakum merkukm

endha portion nu solla thieryalai.
kaetutu solren..

gadam and guitar - rendu peraiyum play panna vechitu,

indha 2 instruments um oru point la
synthazise panni,

adhavadhu - 2 sathamum merge agi, vibrate aradhu..

andha portion ai record panni irukarno nu
enaku thonum .................

apo indha sound ai enna nu solla mudiyum....

2nd interlude starting porition la,
kaetu parunga.....

fushion nu saadharanama solla mudiyadhu.........

[tvsankar]

ennoda most favourite sounds from our Raaja 2 naala idhu dhan...............

[thumburu]

hi Usha, just listened to " mottu dhaan idhu idhu" for the first time. I felt Raja used a formula similar to " idhu iLamai iLamai iLamai" of "ambigai neril vandhaaL" in this song. That is one of my all time favorites of 80's disco era. Also many thanks for reminding me of the dangerously, wildly freaky "aadudhu uLLam paadudhu uLLam " from "Kavarimaan"

[tvsankar]

thumburu,
thanks for the response.
hehhee...

sollavae bayandhukanam ... idhanae nama period culture.........

mottu than idhu idhu - enaku romba pidikum..

ipo dhan 5 naala kaekama iruken,

Nyabga paduthiteengalae.

composiition - kaetachu. podhum nu nenaika vaika matengudhu thumburu.

Head phone la keulunga.. pl

[raagas]

'Unnai Patri Sonnal' from 'Madhiya Chennai'. According to me this is a certified classic. The tune in the charanams is amazing. The way Raja builds up the tempo and the melody is worth savoring multiple times. The interludes are good but what is best in the song is how the instruments support the song throughout. Those who think Raja is no more interested should listen to this song. So much work has gone in and it so complexly layered in terms of orechestraion. Is in a loop now.

I completely second this. The charanams are beautifully constructed, as if he is changing one variable in each line and made a whole interesting pattern out of it. Wonderful.

I am also a bigtime fan of "Un Vaazhve" from same film.the 2nd interlude exudes so much fire.. brilliant jazz work.Madness!Loveable madness!

[tvsankar]

kadha thudarunnu

ipo dhan - 5 naala dhan manasil nikkaradhu... paatu ellam....


enani impress pannina song

mazhamega chelin

Prelude violin - Meera - tamil film - nyabgam paduthiyadhu.

Beautiful flows of violin...........

Singers - Swetha - Niavu varum neram ?

very nice to hear.........

ivangalae dominate panranga - pinnal varum interludes ai gavanika mudiyavillai.

malaiyalam - hmmmm.. nalla dhan iruku...

Swetha and Vijay - NIce renditiion.. IR music ai azhagu paduthara madhiri - padi irukanga.

Lyrics is so sweet........

tharaga sundari maro
thozhigalo ay oru kaalam

jenmathin vallathil

snehathin chellathil

sollu sollu needhan allae
kunnin thathamae

Excelelnt pronounciaiton..... Lovely Expressions.

Becoz of the singers - Song is soooooooooooo sweeeeeeet.....

[app_engine]

ஓ பா(ப்)பா லாலி, கண்மணி லாலி

பல்லவி முடிந்தவுடன் வரும் இசை அப்படியே காந்த சக்தியுடன் மனதை சுண்டி இழுக்கிறது.

மனோ பாடியவற்றுள் மிகச்சிறந்தது இப்பாடலே என்று தோன்றுகிறது :-)

[Sureshs65]

'pudhu pournami nilavu' from "Kannukulle'. A great song with inadequate singers. The pronunciation of the female singer is atrocious to say the least. Once you get over it, you will be amazed with the melody. raagas had pointed out earlier to Raja taking inspiration from his own work in 'India 24hrs' for this song. The charanam of this song is typical Raja. Observe how the first two lines of the charanam have a nice rhythmic lilt to them. Then he suddenly takes away that rhythm and brings in more melody. After two lines, the melody is taken away and a new rhythm comes in. The final line is so structured as if someone is finishing off his solo drumming. It wonderfully joins the pallavi. Top drawer stuff this.

[swathy]

ஓ பா(ப்)பா லாலி, கண்மணி லாலி



மனோ பாடியவற்றுள் மிகச்சிறந்தது இப்பாடலே என்று தோன்றுகிறது :-)

I agree with this. Enakkum kooda idhe madhiri thondriyadhu undu.

[Sureshs65]

'thondru thottu indru varai' from 'Avataram'. These are the type of situations Raja would relish. I haven't seen the movie but the lyrics make the situation clear. It is a cry of a poor man who has been subjugated for long and is ready for revolt. The song needs to convey both the anguish of the person as well as his anger with the system and then convey that he is ready to revolt. As usual, Raja chooses a tune which conveys all this. When I say a tune, I here mean the whole works, the tune as well as the orchestration. The choice of the rhythm, the chorous, the way the tune moves, the orchestration in the interludes, everything is done keeping the need to convey multiple emotions. And the song works big time in this regard. MV does a great job in conveying the multiple emotions and his voice suits the song very well. 'Avataram' is a classic and the other songs were played quite often but I feel this song deserves equal recognition. Do listen to it if you haven't already and you will not be disappointed.

[app_engine]

தோப்போரம் தொட்டில் கட்டி, பாடுதடி சில்லு வண்டு (சுசீலா, எங்க ஊரு காவக்காரன்)

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00148.html

When one listens to songs like this, the first thought that comes to mind is how this could have possibly been killed on-screen (fortunately, no youtube available for this grAma rAjan number) :-)

The next one is a mental debate as to which was the best IR period - well, this seems to be changing all the time. Infact, each time we listen to a special song from a time period, we think THAT was his best period :-)

The second interlude with the sweet shenoy, flute, tabla combo - a signature IR stuff - will actually blow the breeze from the thOppu on your face !

[tvsankar]

Thanks for the song app,

romba masam achu indha paata kaetu.

stanza - very nice.

flute - enaku romba pidikum ...

kae ka dha

pa kaa dha

very nice portion.....

sethukulae sikki kittu - vaartgaifal sikki sikki varum.

[tvsankar]

TMS and SPS

enna oru confident indha Raja ku........

Composition - paatai nanraga vaithu irukum podhu - no issues...

Best Prelude - very nice..........


Haunting tune. Harmony, melody - idhu dhanae Raja.....

indha paatula fullfill panni irukar Raja.....

Muthamizh charamae - Vetriku oruvan

http://thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00728.html

[tvsankar]

indha Raja than

ipadiyum seiyarar. Avaroda style ai miss pannamal..

Mutham mutham - Madhu Balakrish and Reeta - Azhagar malai

Ilove the interludes very much....

Synth sound il IR Touch.......

Harmony layer - indha portion la dhan Guitar work suthindu iruku....

2nd interlude - Harmony Mazhai dhan............

Muthama

http://thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00745.html

[Devaraagam]

Listening Kaatukkullae karugamani from yetti


Nice tribal song...Sj is rocking along with chorus. the..

http://thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00127.html

why these songs were not in chart busters?

[tvsankar]

DR,

Nice song. I told this in SOTD Thread.

Little music journey.

This song gives a a great picturisaiton..


Katukulae - indha varathaigal illamalaeyae feel pannalam.

Karokae la varanam .... indha interludes ellam.....

Kelvi kaeknaam - Enna idea varudhu ... patoda situation endru...

Nichayam - 60 peravadhu - Same mood and situations ai sollavanga..........


Enaku romba piidicha paatu... Becoz of IR's Madhyamavathi Group.......

Sweet Rendiition by SJ.....

[tvsankar]

ONe more Madhyavathi group of IR

its by S P Shailaja..

Ketti melam

vasam veesudhae

idhaiyum kelunga. Enna oru different orchestration.

Really Raja is Great...............

Simple madhiri thonudhae...

adhanala - Simple a -

Idhu dhan Sirandha kalaiyananin - Real Skillllll

[tvsankar]

Paa

after a long break - am listening.....

epavum solvadhu pola,

1. sugar syrup il podum sweet madhiri... Soak aga aga than Taste theriyum...

2. Pickles - idhuvum apadiyae - Soak ana than taste a irukum.

(adhu pola than - indha Raja voda Composiition.

Adhanala than - Epavum Jeevan oda iruku........... old songs ellam...)

Paa - Ipo dhan konjam soak agi iruku.

hehehhe........

Hichiki Hichiki

very sweeeeeet..............

[Sureshs65]

'enna solli paaduvatho' from "En Mana Vaanil'. Superb melody. Sung well by Sadhana and Hariharan. This is one of those songs where the orchestra is constantly interacting with the singers. Answering them, prodding them, supporting them. It is an ever present orchestra but never do you feel that it is interfering with song. The orchestration does so much to enhance the experience of the song.

[Devaraagam]

suresh..I will listen enna solli again and see...as some what this song is not staying in my mind..most of the people are talking much on this song.

[Devaraagam]

Listening Takkara from uruthi mozhi...SPB is rocking and freaking out anything on this song...

[Devaraagam]

now listening...appidi paarkirathunna from Ivan..whenever I start listening this song..its forcing to me listening continuously..

what a music arrangement.....its extraordinary.....

[tvsankar]

Apadi pakkaradhuna - Beautiful song.

Azhagana ponna pola.............. :oops:

Soundharya - Ivangala vera inum azhaga irukum indha paatu.......

evvaalvu periya kannu....... haa.......

Missed Her................. Really pity..........

[rajkumarc]

Two songs from Ajantha.

Engae Irunthai Isaiye - By IR. I love IR's version more because he brings in a more personal feel. The lyrics kind of resonate with his views of music. The 2nd interlude is so great... love the way the transition happening from the super cool Sax bit to the soulful piano & bass before starting the 2nd charanam.

Yaarum Thoda Ondrai - IR, ShreyaGoshal - What a song, what a prelude, stunning rendition by both IR & Shreya. I love the part where IR goes "NaNaaNaNaa" :notworthy: and the feel with which Shreya sings, no wonder all her songs for IR are so special.

Overall, in both songs, Synth has a lot more soul with IR. I love his post 2000 songs specifically for this reason.

[Sureshs65]

rajkumarc,

I have to revisit the songs of 'Ajantha' soon. I have not heard the Tamil version. I have the Kannada one with me. What you say about Raja's synth and about Shreya is very true. Hope you read Ravi Natarajan's recent article on Techno Baroque Raja.

Listening to songs of 'Valmiki'. I am surprised at how far Shreya has come wrt Tamil pronunciation. 'thendralum marudu thingalum marudu' is as good as it gets in terms of pronunciation. There are few places where you can make out that a non-Tamilian is singing it but overall Shreya does a very nice job. Commendable dedication in getting her Tamil right. The song is also a very nice one. This song and the other song in the film 'oli tharum sooriyanum naanilai' are about encouraging people to lead a good / moral life. They are tuned wonderfully to give a feeling of peace. As kiru once wrote about 'oli tharum sooriyanum', if it were to be western pop song it would have topped the charts. Wonderful keyboard play throughout the song. 'Valmiki' is a top class album.

[rajkumarc]

Suresh - Thanks for pointing out Ravi's article Techno Baroque and it's a very good read. I always try to catch up with Vicky and Ravi's blog as much as I can, their analysis of IR's music is very special.

Valmiki is one of my favorite albums of 2009, well I liked each and every album of IR in 2009 :smile: Kooda Varuviya, Oli Tharum and Poo Sirikuthu are great melodies in their own respect.

Shreya is an amazing talent and hope she sings more and more for IR.

[tvsankar]

AThiri pacha - Chinna RAmasamy Periya samy

Beautiful Sweet and Nice Chorus..

Really Nice............

[Sureshs65]

Listening to 'En Mana Vaanil' album. Listening to 'roadoram paatu onnu ketkudha'. I am sure most of the modern MDs will baulk at giving a tune like this. I mean, this is a very sad tune, sung by a person in the lowest rung of the society. There is so much sadness in this song that many people just want to forward it. If you listen carefully, you will find that this is probably the best tune for such a situation!!! The whole feeling of helplessness, the sadness, everything comes down pat, both in the tune as well as in the lyrics. Not a song for the dance loving trendy youth nor for the weak hearted.

[tvsankar]

Kadaliyae kadalaiyae
Mannila kadalaiyae kaalaiyae

Verr kadalaiyae

lLyrics imrpessed me very much....

IR ai parkiren.. Lyrics il..............

very very very Naughty Mood......

Reflects in the tune and could find in the instruments section also...

Synth sound il - Wah Wah effect............

hmm.. IR IR dhan......

80s Village Fans ai epadi - Guitar , Violin, FLute - ena uyarndha alavu - Notes al uyarthinaro,

adhai pola, 2000 Folks ai

Synth sound il Uyarthi kondu irukirar....

ADhanala dhan,

Netriu ilai.. Naalai illai..

Epavum Naan Raaja - Means

Alatal illai..

Eppodhum - Innocents pakkam dhan enru artham..............


song tells a lot...............

i love the lyrics and the instrumentation....

Paatai keatadhum - Manadhil vandha ennam

idhu - Rameswaram pakkam village aga irukum..

Sea shore with Folk touch - idhai feel panren indha paatula.....

Thothukudi yaga kuda irukalam.

anal, indha paatu - Rameswaram pakkam nu oru thought varudhu manasil............

Manadhai kollai kondu vittadhu indha paatu.


http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00094.html


Kadalaiyae kadalaiaye

[tvsankar]

DR,
My Special Thanks to you for finding this album...../

[raagas]

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00070.html

The song "Naan Irikkum" is such a lovely composition. Love the prelude a lot. He freaked out with those synthesizers. The 1st interlude is like a cocktail of traditional & synth stuff. The range of instruments is amazing. he used jal tarangam and even mridangam-tarang (if we can call it so). The taalam in charanam is almost like taalam in Thumbi Vaa song. And the 2nd interlude is such an innovative one. Traditional instruments followed by synthesizer backed by bass guitar. I cannot understand the feel of the song, if it is pathos (as felt at some points) or happy song (instruments just freak out, particularly the jazz trap kit backing).

I dont know how this song got lost in the avalanche of his other spectacular creations but this composition too deserves a prominent place in the gallery. Kudos to the Master!

[rajkumarc]

Suresh - Rottora Paattu Satham is a very nice song. I was surprised to know the female voice was Shruthi Haasan, not sure though. Her voice had a very raw feel when compared with the legendary KJY.

Raagas - Naan Irukkum is a beautiful beautiful song. I have listened to it but not paid much attention to the ludes. Thanks for your post.

Listening to Urakalai Godavari from Abilasha - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dRYkZw4mOg. Beautiful duet with the best pair to sing the song, amazing ludes and bass guitar work.

[Sureshs65]

rajkumarc,

'Urakalai Godavari' Wow. What a song. One of those songs you don't need to hear on your player. It runs by itself in your mind. 'Abhilasha' is a terrific album with a combination of mass and class. Of course, when Raja composes, even in his most 'massy' numbers, there is terrific class.

[Devaraagam]

Rajkumar,

rottora pattu is my 1st pick of that album..it has good vice mixing of sruti hassan, kjj. it will directly before you think anything on that song..

[Sureshs65]

'alai meedu' from 'Kadhal Kavidhai'. It was raining cats and dogs in the evening as I driving back home. Water flowing fast on the roads and me listening to 'alai meedu'. Quite an appropriate song, I would say :) because in some places the water level was quite high. Well sung by Bhava. The only crib about the song is that it is very short. Wish it was longer.

[Sureshs65]

Listening to the songs of 'Kadhal Kavidhai'. Haven't given this album a serious listening earlier. Liking it a lot. 'thad thom takadhimi thom' is a nice erotic number. Should got into the erotic thread. 'Diana Diana' has a different composition style.

Looked at the credits and surprisingly saw that the musicians were credited. It has Viji Manuel, Karthik Raja and Bharani on the keyboards and Purshottaman on the rhythm. One of the recording engineers in H.Sridhar !!

[app_engine]

நெஞ்சுக்குள்ளே
(பொன்னுமணி, எஸ்பிபி, ஜானகி ; திரையில் கார்த்திக், சௌந்தர்யா)

இனிமையோ இனிமையான பாடல் :-)

பார்ப்பதற்கும் சுவையாக இருக்கிறது.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X2uy16S-Jk&feature=related

I remember seeing this movie in theater at the time of release - RVU's not-so-good effort. This song is indelible from mind, however :-)

[tvsankar]

Nenjukulae - youtube for Sowndharya and Karthick.......

very very nice to hear and watch..............


Apadi pakakradhuna - Ivan - indha paatuku youtube kedaikaliyae..

[tvsankar]

Suthadhae bhoomi thaayae -- Sunandha - Nilave mugam kaatu

Beautiful renditon. compositiion.... nice. nice......

99 GEM...

[tvsankar]

Rasthandram

Aatrin karai - Quite opposite to - Nenjukulae..

Really have a fun to watch the youtube. :D :D

Meera - Starting humming mudindhadhum

Style aga oru action - Director um Meera vum - Paatai rasithadhai unargiren.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j04Oo_CRwGw&feature=related

[thumburu]

Listened on repeated mode the following songs from my old audio CD collection. "Sithagathi pookaLe" and "chinna chinna solleduthu" from "Rajakumaran" ,
"kaNmaNikku chinna chinna miNmiNigaL minna minna" from some unknown movie.
The first one is an appealing SUddhaSaveri , no less inferior to Raja's earlier works like "kovil mani oasai" , "Radha Radha nee yenge" or "kaadhal mayakkam" . Awesome rythm , interludes, enchanting voice of SPB/chitra all together make for an everlasting classic. "Chinna chinna solleduthu", a breezy pahaadi is an underrated beauty. May be the lead pair KJY and SJ were well past their prime and sounding aged could be the reason. Nevertheless the caressing interludes and flow in the tune can compensate for the above . I feel the the early 90's movies like "Rajakumaran" , "AraNmaNai KiLi" were few last films carrying vintage Rajaish flourish in the interludes. After mid 90's Raja changed the course to synth driven interludes or minimalistic approach , which some of us still have difficulty in accepting. Regarding the third song, it did not create any impression when I heard long ago. But yesterday I felt this cool song comes close to the league of upbeat, peppy numbers like "paakku vethalai potten pathalai" of "My dear Marthaandan" types.

[Sureshs65]

thumburu,

Nice to see you after a long time.

I have heard the Suddha Saveri number but not the other one. Should hear that 'Rajakumaran' song.

Drove for 3 1/2 hrs from Tiruvannamali to Bangalore. All the way with Raja. My wife is a big fan of the late 70s and early 80s Raja. Heard only female solos of this period for more than 2hrs and some duets for the rest of the day. Every song a gem and we had not even covered one small portion of his repertoire. No one else in Indian film music has so many songs which are classics to their credit.

[Plum]

chinna chinna solleduthu- ah you reminded me of a long forgotten gem. Along with Anbe vaa arugilae, it represented a Raja that has changed, for good or for bad is debatable, but for being the last vestiges of a stage in his career, quite memorable.

[Sureshs65]

thumburu,

Thanks for "Chinna chinna solleduthu". I heard it for the first time now. Lovely song with very nice interludes. As you rightly observe, both KJY and S Janaki sound aged for sure. The skill is present but the ageing of voice is unmistakable.

After advent of Rahman, people were enamoured with new voices as well as new sounds. During those times Raja still used the 'same old' voices. It was definitely difficult to counter Srinivas, Hariharan, UnniKrishnan, Udit Narayan and host of new male singers with Mano, Arunmozhi, Raja himself, Bhavatarini and his own standard torch bearers. It probably took Raja more time to change his singers than to change over to the synth. The new Raja has reconciled to the available singers today and to some extent I am happy with that fact.

[tvsankar]

thumburu,
Neena sonna paatu ellam kaetu rombbbbbbbbbaaaaaaaa
naal achu.

so - kaetutu dhan solanam... :D

kaNmaNikku chinna chinna miNmiNigaL minna minna"

yar padinadhu.. enna padam. detail pl........

[tvsankar]

Ricksha mama

Thanga Nialvukul

Manakum malligai

About IR

future la - IR music pathi pesum podhu,

"IVar Period la - Manushangaluku 9 FEELLINGS irundhadhu.

Adharkaga - isai amaitha oru isai amaipalar ivar.


Ivar kalathil - kadhal - amaidhiyaga irundhadhu.

kuduma amaipu - nalla vidhamaga irundha kaalam.

adhanal - ivaroda kadhal padal ellam - Oruvarukaga Oruvar - enbadhu pola irundhadhu enbadhu

Ivarudia padal varigalil therigiradhu.....

Ipadi than pesipanga nu nenaikaren.

[jaiganes]

Listened on repeated mode the following songs from my old audio CD collection. "Sithagathi pookaLe" and "chinna chinna solleduthu" from "Rajakumaran" ,
"kaNmaNikku chinna chinna miNmiNigaL minna minna" from some unknown movie.
The first one is an appealing SUddhaSaveri , no less inferior to Raja's earlier works like "kovil mani oasai" , "Radha Radha nee yenge" or "kaadhal mayakkam" . Awesome rythm , interludes, enchanting voice of SPB/chitra all together make for an everlasting classic. "Chinna chinna solleduthu", a breezy pahaadi is an underrated beauty. May be the lead pair KJY and SJ were well past their prime and sounding aged could be the reason. Nevertheless the caressing interludes and flow in the tune can compensate for the above . I feel the the early 90's movies like "Rajakumaran" , "AraNmaNai KiLi" were few last films carrying vintage Rajaish flourish in the interludes. After mid 90's Raja changed the course to synth driven interludes or minimalistic approach , which some of us still have difficulty in accepting. Regarding the third song, it did not create any impression when I heard long ago. But yesterday I felt this cool song comes close to the league of upbeat, peppy numbers like "paakku vethalai potten pathalai" of "My dear Marthaandan" types.
I think kanmanikku chinna chinna is from chinna maapillai directed by santhana bharathi which had the much famous 'Kaattu kuyil paatu solla' and the erotic 'Vennilavu kodhippadhenna'. This song was a much more functional song, yet effectively tuned and arranged. the other song that Suresh is referring to is from Telugu 'Rajkumar' - the song is 'Janaki kanalolenu' is a delightful sudhdha saveri and please do not watch the video for it is an orthagonal picturisation of the song and might not create the divine mood the song entices. Raj (hubber raj_musing) wrote a delightful piece on this song in his blog.

[Plum]

janaki kalaganaledhu - pala muRai ennai indha forumla ezhudha vaitha pAdal. Vague memory that Suresh also wrote in his blog abou tit.
P Suseela fits perfectly - perhaps, in Telugu, IR gave her what he didnt in Tamil.

last heard - the absolutely delightful, amazing Yugandhar. IR runs riot with his orchestration - the brass instruments holding sway in Naa paruvam, wind instruments in Daaste Daagedha and a combination in naakosamE meerochAru.

I think daaste daagedha should have been - but didnt turn out to be - the equivalent of Yeh Mera Dil(for, this is another remake of Don).
Cant write better than one of my comments in Suresh's blog on this album. I'll let Suresh link it thanks to my laziness today.
I am just going to keep humming now:
naa paruvam
ding chak ding chak
nee kosam
ding chak ding chak

[tvsankar]

kaathirundha malli malli - PS - Malluvetti minor

indha paatil - PS - v.v.v.v.vv.v.v.v.v.v.v.Great

Orchestration - Big MAD

Flute - Extraordinary punctuations...........

sandhoshanamana Shenoy.....

Violin - innum sweeeeeeeeeeeet................

Guitar - very very FRiendly........

tabla - Neat a, azhaga, support seiyum............

Ivargalai ellam interview seiyanam...........

IR's composition and the orchestration -

oru azhagana - neraiya neraiya pulli vechi potta

miga periya Neli kolam........................

[Sureshs65]

Plum,

Here are the relevant links:

Here is the link to my 'Yugandhar' writeup and Plum's detailed analysis in the comments section. (He is known as 'raj' here :) )

http://sureshs65music.blogspot.com/2008/10/yugandhar-music-which-passed-me-by.html

My writeup on 'Janaki Kalaganaledu' here:

http://sureshs65music.blogspot.com/2009/09/dancing-like-hero-admit-it.html

[Sureshs65]

I agree with Plum that Raja has given some lovely numbers to Susheela in Telugu. I was listening to 'karigi poyanu' from 'Maranamrudangam'. What a lovely song and a nice rendition from Susheela.

[raagas]

thumburu,

Thanks for "Chinna chinna solleduthu". I heard it for the first time now. Lovely song with very nice interludes. As you rightly observe, both KJY and S Janaki sound aged for sure. The skill is present but the ageing of voice is unmistakable.

After advent of Rahman, people were enamoured with new voices as well as new sounds. During those times Raja still used the 'same old' voices. It was definitely difficult to counter Srinivas, Hariharan, UnniKrishnan, Udit Narayan and host of new male singers with Mano, Arunmozhi, Raja himself, Bhavatarini and his own standard torch bearers. It probably took Raja more time to change his singers than to change over to the synth. The new Raja has reconciled to the available singers today and to some extent I am happy with that fact.

Suresh,

I think even IR was experimental with singers at a point of time.especially in late 70s and early 80s, he used many singers, other than the usuals, such as Jency,Sasirekha,Vani Jayaram, SP Sailaja,Uma Ramanan,Sujatha,Jayachandran,Deepan Chakravarthy etc.But somewhere towards late 80s or so,he settled for SPB,SJ,Chitra,KJY completely (with few exceptions like a Malaysia Vasudevan at times or Swarnalatha at times etc). The diverse array of singers that existed in late 70s and early 80s didnt exist as much in late 80s and early 90s. we dont know if it was conscious choice and just that he was going with the flow.I think that slowly became one of the neglected areas (of not trying other singers) may be unknowingly. Infact, even in 90s, there are not MANY songs by newer singers. There were few but not as much. But then, post 2000, he suddenly started taking Shankar Mahadevan, Hariharan, Sujatha, Shreya Ghoshal, Unnikrishnan etc. As always, we might like some and dislike some. But for a composer, it is important to not get stuck somewhere and keep moving on with the times. I am glad he does that now, though he missed that back in 90s.

[Sureshs65]

raagas,

I think the reason for using the same singers was simple. They could deliver and Raja was composing like mad. Those were the times when time was at a premium. I mean, he used to do some 40 to 50 films a year. Do the songs and then do the BGM. I don't think there was time enough to look out for new singers, teach them and get the job done. So there would have been no option but to take on people who can grasp fast, deliver in one take and start the next song. If you look at Rahman, YSR or Harris, they do very less films in a year and they can afford a singer to do some zillion takes and then cut and paste stuff. That was probably not an option in those hectic times. And given Raja's need for perfection, it would have been nightmare. And who can blame Raja for making SPB, KJY or SJ for they were delivering top quality stuff all the while. Even though we have lot of singers now, no one really equals SPB, KJY or SJ yet.

My grouse would be with his using Mano , Arunmozhi and himself quite extensively during the late 90s. Somehow that made his songs sound 'dated' during those times. We may love those songs a lot now but during those times, it was like 'Oh no. Not the same old singers!!!'.

He seems to have settled quite comfortably with the newer set of singers now, which is good. Shreya has been doing a great job. Bela Shinde was also good, except for her pronunciation. Karthik, Rahul Nambiyar, Tippu et al are doing a decent job, though I wouldn't yet call their singing outstanding.

[Shank]

It has always been a mis-conception that Raja did not use new singers. Infact, I had compiled a list of singers who had all gotten their first chance with Raja and that list is amazing. I'll have to search that list up.

Also, to add to Suresh's points, the style of recording a song has changed now. Earlier it was a live take with an orchestra and so you needed people who could deliver with perfection (especially while doing 50 films a year). But now with cut-paste methodology, you can try out less versatile singera and get away with it.

[Sureshs65]

Shank,

I will agree with you about lot of singers getting their break with Raja. I was just referring to one particular period, probably around 94 to 98 where we had too much of Mano, Raja and Arunmozhi whereas other music directors were using new voices. So I am talking about a particular period and even here I don't have statistics with me. I am just talking about the perception. It is very much possible that new voices were used but did not gain prominence.

Adding to your point on technology, not only cut and paste but also pitch adjustments, auto tuning etc are used to make even the mundane voice sound good. So, yes, you can get away with a very mediocre singer nowadays.

[jaiganes]

thumburu,

Thanks for "Chinna chinna solleduthu". I heard it for the first time now. Lovely song with very nice interludes. As you rightly observe, both KJY and S Janaki sound aged for sure. The skill is present but the ageing of voice is unmistakable.

After advent of Rahman, people were enamoured with new voices as well as new sounds. During those times Raja still used the 'same old' voices. It was definitely difficult to counter Srinivas, Hariharan, UnniKrishnan, Udit Narayan and host of new male singers with Mano, Arunmozhi, Raja himself, Bhavatarini and his own standard torch bearers. It probably took Raja more time to change his singers than to change over to the synth. The new Raja has reconciled to the available singers today and to some extent I am happy with that fact.

Suresh,

I think even IR was experimental with singers at a point of time.especially in late 70s and early 80s, he used many singers, other than the usuals, such as Jency,Sasirekha,Vani Jayaram, SP Sailaja,Uma Ramanan,Sujatha,Jayachandran,Deepan Chakravarthy etc.But somewhere towards late 80s or so,he settled for SPB,SJ,Chitra,KJY completely (with few exceptions like a Malaysia Vasudevan at times or Swarnalatha at times etc). The diverse array of singers that existed in late 70s and early 80s didnt exist as much in late 80s and early 90s. we dont know if it was conscious choice and just that he was going with the flow.I think that slowly became one of the neglected areas (of not trying other singers) may be unknowingly. Infact, even in 90s, there are not MANY songs by newer singers. There were few but not as much. But then, post 2000, he suddenly started taking Shankar Mahadevan, Hariharan, Sujatha, Shreya Ghoshal, Unnikrishnan etc. As always, we might like some and dislike some. But for a composer, it is important to not get stuck somewhere and keep moving on with the times. I am glad he does that now, though he missed that back in 90s.
I will have to disagree vehmently.
late 90s most of the IR films had singers like Unni krishnan, Hariharan and various new singers. Kadhalukku mariyaadhai had predominantly hariharan and kjy (mandatory for a fazil film). This is my view after having scourged the thiraipaadal for late 90s gems from Raja. One thing u can blame IR is usage of his own voice which was predominant in late 90s. It is in 2000s that ppl like Karthik, tippu and Ranjit and Rahul made their entry. With stalwarts like SPB, KJY and MV reducing their songs, there was a general lacuna in younger singers. not the one to use engineering to support an incapable singer, Raja had to sing himself. Hari and shankar mahadevan are way too costly for most of the low budget movies that IR was scoring. In this period he has given chance to many female voices which did not work out as much as he would have wanted.

[Sureshs65]

Jai,

I remember app_eng suggesting that the financial angle would have had a role to play in the selection of Mano and Arunmozhi. Not to mention Raja himself.

I am reminded of a related incident when you talk about the cost of Hariharan and Shankar Mahadevan. I heard in one of these singing shows, Oesepachan, the Malayalam MD relating an incident. Seems like he had come up with a nice semi classical tune. The film crew decided that they should get someone from up north to sing this song and zoomed in on Subha Mudgal. When the tried getting her to sing, they realized that her fees alone was equal to the complete budget allocated for the music of the movie!!! Obviously the idea was dropped.

[Sanjeevi]

பூந்தென்றலும் வந்தது தாளமும் தந்தது (http://ric.gsbabu.com/audio_samples/SG003264.mp3) - பகலில் பௌர்ணமி

- good song. Raja has given n number of songs with same pattern and SPB also. But a little difference from this pattern is enough for me to enjoy. And happened to listen "Unnai thane" song during Chennai city a/c bus travel and no wonder the spendid saranam part mesmerized me in yet another chance . :)

[Sanjeevi]

பாரிஜாதம் - நிலவு சுடுவதில்லை (http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00427.html)

The pallavi is damn peppy and highly enjoyable. KJJ is outstanding and SJ is good but keechu keechu kural is disturbing at places :(. What a lovely song with fantabulous prelude and damn catchy pallavi.

[raghavendran]

malaiyil--sethu..unnikrishnan :clap:

[app_engine]

தாலாட்டு மாறிப்போனதே, என் கண்ணில் தூக்கம் போனதே

(ஜானகி, உன்னை நான் சந்தித்தேன்)

நரம்புகளை சுண்டி இழுக்கும் பாட்டு.

[Sureshs65]

'kothaga rekkalochena' from 'Swarnakamalam'. The pallavi starts as 'kothaga rekkalochena gootiloni goova pillaki'. Which translates to, "Has the bird in the nest developed her wings?" This has to do with the heroine who realizes her potential in the movie. It is an image of a bird about to take flight and the tune superbly reflects it. The way he starts of 'kothagaaaaa' and the whole of first line depicts this flight aurally. Then comes 'metthaga', which means 'softly' and the tune immediately turns soft there. This is where I get confused. Should I be praising Raja for conceiving up this tune or Sirivennela for plugging in the appropriate words. If Raja had conceived the tune first, hats off to him for thinking of such a tune which conveys the new born confidence of the heroine and more kudos to Sirivennela for putting in the right words at the right places. If it was Sirivennela who gave the lyrics first (this is a possibility because of this being a K Vishwanath enterprise), then I am even more stunned by Raja's genius. Overall, I have to say this is an excellent lyricist MD combination which conveys the situation both verbally and aurally. The end result is pure magic.

My own feeling is that the tune may have come up first. I was also listening to a precursor to this tune, which happens to 'manase paadinadi' from 'Sankeerthana. What a joyful tune this is. Once again, I am reminded of the phrase coined by Plum, 'narrative integrity', when I hear both these songs.

[Sureshs65]

Long time since I heard 'parijatham'. Vintage Raja stuff. Wonderful tune and lovely orchestration

[tvsankar]

Suresh,

Telugu - dono little bit.

IR telugu songs - All are Extraordinary experimentation....

Yarukum kidaikadha oru Bhagyam idhu.......

Theeyanidhi Telugu paata.......

Outdoor - Dance - IR composition - Really We are GIFTED suresh........

about ur write up for Swarnakamalam - Full paatukum ezhudha mudiyuma.

LYrics , IR and the Dance endru......

[raagas]

Jaiganes

I was talking about 1987-1995/1998 period. IR took shankar Mahadevan in 1998/1999 itself, for films like Anthapuram or Nilave Mugam Kaattu.I meant to say that 'generally' a typical IR album from late 70s or early 80s had names like Jency, Radhika or even Lata Rajnikanth, Uma Ramanan, SJ, Vanijayaram. The songs were spread between them in various albums. But as late 80s approached, the concentration of Chitra/SJ or SPB/KJY increased. Nothing to take away their talent. I am talking about sheer numbers. And this trend persisted till 1995 or 1998 may be. After that, the diversity spread again began to increase.

Suresh had a valid point that those were the years when the number of his films peaked. So time constraints could be the reason. Thats why i said that it could have happened unknowingly, without his conscious move.

But yes, SPB/KJY/Chitra etc were all good under his baton. Even SJ too.But just that i personally disagree with IR & other fans, about this one aspect - usage of SJ's voice left right & centre. like it or hate it guys,but i feel this is one area i feel IR's choice wasnt good, with all due respects to her talent.I have no problems with her talent.Just that her voice is not ear-friendly (like Susheela's voice) for me.

[Plum]

There are songs where Janaki seems irreplaceable with her sheer talent(her voice has a take-it-or-leave-it quality, and it is a measure of her talent that despite my "leave-it" reaction to her voice, many songs she seems irreplaceable to me, and I just cant imagine liking it in any other voice). kAtril endhan geetham for instance. Shreya Ghoshal might have the sweetest voice ever gifted to man kind, and phenomenally talented but she still doesnt bring the edge, the intensity that SJ does to the song. theeram thedi from uNaroo is another example, so is nagoo endhidhe.

Then there are songs where her special talent is not needed, and a simple, good voice would do, and those are the songs where one doesnt want SJ. magaLir mattum in the later stages(where she does phenomenal voice gymnastics but leaves one cold), and many middling songs during the 80's are examples

[tvsankar]

aakasamlo - SJ - enna padam.

Lovely no.

[Plum]

Usha, that is from Swarna Kamalam.

[Bala (Karthik)]

magaLir mattum in the later stages(where she does phenomenal voice gymnastics but leaves one cold)
Agonizing...

[tvsankar]

Plum,
Thanks for the response.

Magalir matum - SJ - Excellent works.........

Karava maadu onnu

3 Lady characters kaga - padum SJ

Tune and character ai gavanichu - padara style.......

Really Nice................

SPB - ivarai ennna solla. Nazare padara madhiri irukum........

Magalir matum

Indha SJ ai - ovoru paatukum - thani thaniya paaratanam.

[Sureshs65]

Plum,

You hit the spot when you say Janaki has a 'take it or leave it' quality as far as the voice is concerned. Very true. Janaki's voice is an acquired taste for many unlike the voices of Lata or Susheela. When Raja wrote his first biography in one of the Tamil magazines, he said, "Lata Manageshkar had the sweetest voice but only Janaki can deliver what I want."

When I go beyond the voice and listen to the emotion that is brought out by the singer, we need to give full marks to Janaki. This is something which Jai had mentioned earlier. Was listening to 'sivappojaku chigurinchina' yesterday and this is one song I felt that Janaki would probably have a done a better job. Don't get me wrong. Susheela's rendition is top class and her voice drips honey, as always. But Janaki would have probably brought forth the defiance in the heroine's character much better. Going by the pure sweetness in the voice, Janaki is probably not the one you would put on a pedestal but going by how she was able to convey the intended emotion, I would put her right there at the top.

Coming to raagas point, whether Janaki was overused or not would depend on whether you love her voice or not :)

[raagas]

oh plum & suresh, my issue is not with emotional depth or perfection in singing.she is bang there.My only issue is the shrillness, the pitch, the tonal aspect.It isnt soft and mellow on my ears. I agree with plum.. there are songs that work only with Janaki.For me, the softer songs work perfectly.something like putham pudhu kaalai or Chinna Thaayaval or O Vasantha Raaja.
Like i said, it all gets down to how much shrillness my ears can take.

[Sureshs65]

raagas,

I too was not a great lover of Janaki's shrillness. Infact I used to once joke that whenever there was silence in Janaki's song she has not stopped singing but just that she is singing in a range which cannot be heard by humans!!! From that time I have come a long way and most of her songs don't hurt me too much now.

[Shank]

Undeniably, Janaki is very talented...has superb voice control. Sure, her voice may not be the liking of some, but she delivered superbly for Raja.

One of my favorites...the vibrato effect that she brings at the end of each line is extraordinary "Etha Poovilum Vaasam" from Murattu Kaalai.

http://www.thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00379.html

[Plum]

Shankar, for precisely reasons you mentioned, that is why I mentioned that even though her voice, apart from being not a favourite, is actually not very tolerable for me, still many of her songs I cant imagine I'll like without her singing it.

Imagine such monumental talent that overwhelms you enough to overlook one of the most important attributes one looks for in that field of excellence - it is mind boggling. I think though SPB and S Janaki keep praising each other as the better singer, I think SPB is probably aware of this dynamic and though he is usually faux-modest, I think his praise for Janaki encompasses this dynamic.

When you like SPB's song, part of the liking is for his silken, smooth voice. He starts with an advantage. I think Janaki's is a bigger achievement to become such a grand legend in TFM.

[tvsankar]

SJ's voice - Oru instrument mahdiri.....

Human Voice aga - thannai consider pannidu

paadina paatu.,

Instrument pola thannai consider pannina paatu nu

2 category aga pirikalam.......

Character aga consider panni padina paatu sila.

1.Ival oru Ilankuruvi

2. Anbu malargalain solai idhu

3.Thlatu maari ponadhae

4. Machana partheengala

list is endless..

Instrument ku equala scale fix pannidu paduvanga.....

Neraiya paatu - Guitar oda scale ai gavanichu, thannai set pannipanga... Really amazing......

1. Siriya paravai

2.Mottuthan idhu - Dhaemapathini

3.oru naal andha - Devadhai

4.kangalukul ennai - Thanshu vitten ennai

5. Nalum en manam

[Sureshs65]

Plum,

I will 100% agree with you. Though my initial exposure of SJ was more from TFM, when I later heard her MFM songs, especially under the baton of Baburaj and some of her songs in Kannada, like 'yaava janmada maitri', there was no more question of not accepting this genius.

[venkkiram]

ஜானகி ஒரு பன்முகத் திறமையுள்ள பாடகி. ஆனால் கிராமியப்பாடல் என வரும்போது, சுசிலாவின் குரலில் காணப்படும் இயல்பான நாட்டுப்புறத் தன்மை ஜானகியிடம் இல்லை என்றே சொல்வேன். கடந்தவற்றை மாற்றிப் பார்க்கும் ஆற்றம் எனக்கிருந்தால், முதல் மரியாதை பாடல்களை சுசிலாவின் குரலில் கேட்க ஆசை.

[jaiganes]

ஜானகி ஒரு பன்முகத் திறமையுள்ள பாடகி. ஆனால் கிராமியப்பாடல் என வரும்போது, சுசிலாவின் குரலில் காணப்படும் இயல்பான நாட்டுப்புறத் தன்மை ஜானகியிடம் இல்லை என்றே சொல்வேன். கடந்தவற்றை மாற்றிப் பார்க்கும் ஆற்றம் எனக்கிருந்தால், முதல் மரியாதை பாடல்களை சுசிலாவின் குரலில் கேட்க ஆசை.
neenga eppavume ippadhithaana illai ippadi dhaan eppavumevA?

[Devaraagam]

hm...raags you are the second person telling this to me...one of my friend also having the same opinion on SJ's song and we used to argue lot.

[Sureshs65]

Jai,

:lol:

[raagas]

hm...raags you are the second person telling this to me...one of my friend also having the same opinion on SJ's song and we used to argue lot.

May be because I grew up on lot of softer tones, like 50s-60s Lata, or P.leela (great singer who is rarely remembered now), Susheela, Jikki, Asha Bhonsle etc. Even Chitra or Shreya Ghoshal.Like i said, i love/respect her talent and listen to all songs.. just that the IR songs in which she sounds more mellow(lower scales) work like magic on me.Ear sensitivities you see :)

[Sureshs65]

Listening to 'komali tanuve' from 'Gopala Rao Gari Abbayi'. Never heard this tune before. No clue how I missed this. Outstanding pace the song has. Just doesn't let up at all. And the typical Raja orchestration where you cannot expect which instrument will come in. This is the Telugu version of the Tamil song, 'manika silaye' from 'Kathal Oyvadhillai'. No clue about this film. The Telugu recording I got was better than the Tamil one and I like the Telugu version better.

Here is the Tamil version of the song at 'Thiraipaadal'. 'manika silaye':

http://thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00232.html

[app_engine]

பச்ச மலப்பூவு நீ உச்சி மலத்தேனு
(கிழக்கு வாசல், எஸ் பி பி, குழல், வயலின்கள், தபலா)

எத்தனை முறை ரிபீட்டில் கேட்டாலும் அலுக்கவே அலுக்காத பாடல்களில் இது கண்டிப்பாக மேல் தட்டில் நிற்கும்! இனிமை, சாந்தம், குழைவு - இந்த மாதிரி அம்சங்கள் இருப்பதால் காதும், மனதும், உடலும் இதில் திளைத்து லயித்துக்கொண்டே இருக்கின்றன - திகட்டுவதே இல்லை.

ஒரு உறுத்தலும் இல்லாத ஒரு "பூரண பத்து" வகை ராசா பாட்டு!

(திரையிலும் பார்க்க ரம்மியமாக இருக்கும் கார்த்திக், ரேவதி, ஜனகராஜ், அந்த வீடு, ஊஞ்சல் - ஆஹா :-) )

[Sureshs65]

app_eng,

You have wonderfully described the effect of the song. The same song in your adopted mother tongue has equally good, if not better, effect. Raja makes some minor changes, something I cannot place my finger on, and 'endhu paranjalum' becomes a totally different song!!! One of Chitra Chechi's heart tugging songs along with 'poove poochooda vaa'.

[tvsankar]

Man of the Match

Beautiful album.

Ponnavai poo muthae

Starting Humming - Mesmerising...........

dono the situation, scene etc......

but the song gives some moods and feelings.

Haunting composition...........

[Devaraagam]

Listening to 'komali tanuve' from 'Gopala Rao Gari Abbayi'. Never heard this tune before. No clue how I missed this. Outstanding pace the song has. Just doesn't let up at all. And the typical Raja orchestration where you cannot expect which instrument will come in. This is the Telugu version of the Tamil song, 'manika silaye' from 'Kathal Oyvadhillai'. No clue about this film. The Telugu recording I got was better than the Tamil one and I like the Telugu version better.

Here is the Tamil version of the song at 'Thiraipaadal'. 'manika silaye':

http://thiraipaadal.com/albums/ALBIRR00232.html

Suresh,

Tamil film is a dubbed version of telugu movie...always is original si better to hear :)

[Sureshs65]

DR,

I did not know that. The Telugu version definitely sounds better. The song has some terrific tongue twisting lyrics (probably Veturi, not sure) which SPB and SJ deliver perfectly. In a loop for the past few days.

[shalushalu]

http://www.raaga.com/play/?id=37929

:D One of my favs ... IR Sir's devotional tribute to Guru Ramana...

[Sureshs65]

Listening to songs from 'Kadhal Kavithai'. Had heard only 'aalana naal mudhala' on TV before I bought the tape. Was playing 'hey konji pesu kobam konda kannamma' and a fellow hubber was with me in the car. He immediately exclaimed, "Aaah. What a song. This did not make it to the movie. If it had, atleast some channel would have played it." Yup. So many gems didn't make it to the movies.

[NagaS]

Listening to songs from 'Kadhal Kavithai'. Had heard only 'aalana naal mudhala' on TV before I bought the tape. Was playing 'hey konji pesu kobam konda kannamma' and a fellow hubber was with me in the car. He immediately exclaimed, "Aaah. What a song. This did not make it to the movie. If it had, atleast some channel would have played it." Yup. So many gems didn't make it to the movies.

It was used in the movie, But as a title song - useless, because no TV channel will show it :)

NagaS

[Sureshs65]

Thanks NagaS. I have not seen the movie.

[Plum]

Kaadhal Kavidhai had two outstanding songs - hey konji pEsu was used in title. And unpardonably, half of what is probably one of IR's honey soaked best in the late 90's, alai meedhu is half-played in the background - as a song playing on Radio that a character in the background is listening.

AgathiyA, enakku mattum netrikaNN irundhirundhA...:evil:

[raagas]

And unpardonably, half of what is probably one of IR's honey soaked best in the late 90's, alai meedhu is half-played in the background - as a song playing on Radio that a character in the background is listening.



I cannot forgive IR for this.

[app_engine]

ஆராரோ பாட வந்தேனே, ஆவாரம் பூவின் செந்தேனே

(பி சுசீலா, பொறுத்தது போதும்)

Got this song from that thAlAttu blog and it's on loop this morning. Googled to find out the movie's name (how many such obscure movies during that time period, my goodness!)

Made in the 'chinnanjiru kiLiyE' format (dhum-dhumttA..ttA rhythm to start with and changeover to regular running style tabla in the saraNam), this song has such a sweet melody.

அதுவும் அந்த 'தென்னாட்டின் மன்னன் தானே, நான் தாலாட்டும் கண்ணன் தானே' பாகத்தில் வரும் சில கமக்க இழுப்புகள் oow!

PS = HMV for me (his mother's voice) and this song perfectly suits the theme. That she struggles a bit in parts of the saraNam is quite obvious - possibly the age factor. Sweet song, nevertheless.

[Sureshs65]

'pon mane' (Kaidiyin Dairy?) on Sun Music now. Lovely singing by KJY and SJ.

app_eng: Need to listen to the song you have pointed. If you don't know some song of 80s, it really must be rare :)

[Sureshs65]

'kasturi maane kalyana thene' on Sun Music now. Needless to say, another lovely song. Sun Music is on a roll.

[Sureshs65]

'maniye manikuyile'. One more lovely song on Sun Music. What a lovely. I love the way the pallavi goes at 'thota indam poo manakkum'

[app_engine]

'pon mane' (Kaidiyin Dairy?) on Sun Music now. Lovely singing by KJY and SJ.

app_eng: Need to listen to the song you have pointed. If you don't know some song of 80s, it really must be rare :)

Sureshji,

I'm not very good after 1986 - Palakkad jeevitham :-) This movie is supposed to be a 1989-er. thiraippAdal does not seem to have the PS solo version, it has a PS-IR version. Typically, such songs should have been IR favourites i.e. he retained the 'track' version on the final release.

BTW, you got both singers wrong for pon mAnE :-) (It was Uma Ramanan and Unni Menon)

[tvsankar]

http://www.sensongs.com/PoruthadhuPodhum.htm

2nd song - PS version.... :)

[Sureshs65]

Sureshji,


BTW, you got both singers wrong for pon mAnE :-) (It was Uma Ramanan and Unni Menon)

Me bad. Very bad. :oops2:

[app_engine]

Was scanning the dishnet channels at my sis place (it has Sun, Jaya & KTV apart from some indhi stuff).

Amused to see Vishu conducting a dharbAr in Jaya TV (while TR showing off in arattai arangam in Sun TV).

They were highlighting a riot by village people on accidents in Trichy-Tanjore road -as the spot is near my college, started watching it.

Boom - they showed a bunch of newspaper clippings on this trouble - with a phenomenally powerful SPB song as the background (ofcourse IR's terrific score playing along) - as they started in the saraNam, I didn't get it until a minute or so.

Gandhi dhEsamE, kAval illaiyA - very apt for the news report being discussed on the program and obviously hair-raising music!

Actually, this song wasn't that powerful (to me) when it got released or later when watching the movie (nAn sigappu manithan). I was convinced at that time that IR's scores aren't as good as those of predecessors (and my reasoning then was they lacked the majestic TMS) for social themes.

Interestingly, it works very well today - after a couple of decades :-)

[app_engine]

Smooth start to the morning with பூங்காவியம், பேசும் ஓவியம் (யேசுதாஸ், சுசீலா, சித்ரா - கற்பூரமுல்லை - ஃபாசிலின் 'என்டெ சூர்யப்புத்திரிக்கு'வின் தமிழ் மொழி மாற்றம் என நினைக்கிறேன்)

'rAppAdi' from the Malayalam original was a sweet song, a favourite for the two sweet girls of the house adjusant to ours. They used to spend most of their time with my wife during our 1st yr of marriage (calling her 'chiththi', after befriending my little niece who was with us during our first week of new kudiththanam). Listening to the 'karpoora mullai' song brought back those memories :-)

While that one is a thuLLal Chitra song, 'poongAviyum' is a typical soothing melodious song with IR's signature tabla sounds :-)

To me, the pallavi is average but the saraNam portion is phenomenally impressive! It just gets better during the 2nd saraNam with PS & KSC joining, taking the song to much greater heights.

Both these voices sound like alternating flutes - one with single frequency and another with multifrequency :-) I think PS has that unique voice among all Indian singers that possibly has extremely sharp frequency component(s) - close to flute or sine wave oscillator :-)

I'll happily vote for this genre of IR songs as his best!

[Sureshs65]

app_eng,

I think this must be the 'aalapanam'. You have described in very well. I don't remember if it was the same Susheela / Chitra combination in Mal as well but there are two voices. Was this by any chance picturized on Srividya and Amala, or is it a different song that I am thinking about?

[Sureshs65]

My memory wasn't bad :) It is indeed Srividya and Amala.

A link to that song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbXze5Y5wtI&feature=related

[app_engine]

Thank you Sureshji for the nice video :-)

The typical Fazil stuff - smoothie. I LOLed at the புட்டிப்பால் காமெடி.

I forgot to mention about the effective use of "ching-chA" through out the song. Raja always had a special place for this tiny instrument, often playing it along with lead guitar (second interlude of orE nAL unai nAn nilAvil pArththadhu, first interlude of AnandhaththEn kARRu thAlAttudhu, for e.g.).

Here it plays thru-out as a timing device, very effectively :-)

The song gets its great tempo at the first interlude and keeps getting better till the end of the second saraNam - definite IR masterpiece!

[app_engine]

BTW, it's the same sweet PS & KSC in AlApanam as well :-)

[app_engine]

After a very long time the lovely வெள்ளிச்சலங்கைகள் கொண்ட கலைமகள்!

(காதல் ஓவியம், எஸ்பிபி, குழுவினர், பிரமாதமான மிருதங்கம், தம்புரா, நாகஸ்வர சத்தங்கள்)

IR gave so much of such specials to BR and still he chose to ditch him for VM? It's very difficult to understand human mind :-(

[app_engine]

வெள்ளைப்புறா ஒன்று (புதுக்கவிதை - யேசுதாஸ், ஜானகி)

இந்தப்பாடல் பற்றி என்ன எழுத? உணர மட்டுமே முடியும் - வார்த்தைகளுக்கு இங்கு வேலையில்லை!

[app_engine]

Just finished watching the whole 'ente sooryaputhirikku' movie :-)

An out-and-out Amala movie and she did excel! What a natural flow - simply superb actress, in the league of Sridevi. IIRC, she has irish-bengali parents and to act in a Malayalam movie with such a flow (watch all the close ups, phenomenal) despite such background gives her a lot more credit than locals!

IR's BGM is a strong force for the movie (apart from these two gems - rAppAdi & AlApanam)!

[Sureshs65]

app_eng,

'velli salangaigal' is one song which I cannot individually copy to my mp3 player. I mean, if I have to copy his song, I _have_ to copy the complete 'Kadhal Oviyam' album :) There is no single bad bone in this complete album!!! There are lot of films wherein you may select and pick out a few songs which you copy to your mp3 player but Raja has given enough albums wherein you cannot do that. The whole album has to transferred. Bharatiraja, MR, Sridhar, Mahendran are some lucky directors who have got such stupendous albums.

[tvsankar]

Ayirathil nee oruthan - SJ

Naanum oru THozhilali

Beautiful song. Ragalai Guitar.....

SJ's rendiition - paatu romba nalla irukum.

[tvsankar]

Kammakara oram - MVD and KSC

very nice rendition by both of them.

Sharp and sweet Violin..

Beats - Mesmerising.

Guitar - Talks with the singers. yar kandukatalum - thannoda duty ai seiyum.........

so much friendly..........

Flute - as usual - Great Punctuations.......

2nd interlude - This is Raaja's Special.

Great Conversation between

the Guitar, the Violin , the Flute and the Tabla...

Great .... Great..........

indha jenmathil - indha combo inime kedaiakdhu nama Raaja kite....

Ellam precious.........

[tvsankar]

Poonthedral - KSC - Ullam Kavarndha Kalvan


Ennoda - IR'ss Madhyamavathi

podhum.........

Beautiful MUsic Journey.

Chinnadha - Veetlirundhu kelambi,, cyle la oru MOrning riding mahdiiri feelings enaku thonum.

Ooty - morning cool and snow......
Greenaries.

Idhu Iyarkai annai seethanam
adhu isaiyai anadhu

Flute - am Mad..............

Neraiya sollanam indha paatai pathi.

NIce Lyrics......

[tvsankar]

INdha IR and KSC combo vin
another Majic

Vaanam thodadha megam - Chinnapa Das

Instruments - Gavanikanam..........

Idharku per dhan - Composiition... Orchestration..........

KSC 's Renditiion - Cooooooooooollllllllllllllllll.............

[tvsankar]

Karutha machan - SJ

enna solla.. SJ - nakkal... kindal...... so sweeeeeeet.....

INstrumentation - killlllls me........

[Plum]

BTW, it's the same sweet PS & KSC in AlApanam as well :-)

Isnt it Sunanda in Malayalam?

[app_engine]

BTW, it's the same sweet PS & KSC in AlApanam as well :-)

Isnt it Sunanda in Malayalam?

Sounded like Chitra to me, need to hear again at home.

BTW, this link (http://www.palanikumar.com/filmsongdetails.phtml?filmid=1264&songid=4407) says it's Chitra. Interestingly, the male voice is one VeeramaNi. I felt this can't be KJY and that seems to be correct. There's another KJY version as well.

[Plum]

I thought it's chitra and sunanda

[raj_musing]

Karutha machan - SJ

enna solla.. SJ - nakkal... kindal...... so sweeeeeeet.....

INstrumentation - killlllls me........

Karutha machan--great folk song..my favourite too...