My telugu friend talked about one Tamil to telugu dubbed kamal movie ,i couldn't figure out .. kamal in dual role ..one as doctor another as poli-doctor ..which movie is this ?
My telugu friend talked about one Tamil to telugu dubbed kamal movie ,i couldn't figure out .. kamal in dual role ..one as doctor another as poli-doctor ..which movie is this ?
பழைய படம்! தொண்டைக்குள் நிக்குது, வெளிய வரமாட்டேங்குது!
Come on Kamal fans. This is a direct challenge. Namma Dakter engge?
இப்படி ஒரு படமா ? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
"ஒண்ணா ஒரு படம்!"
http://www.adrasaka.com/2012/08/blog-post_4015.html
என்னாதிது?!? ஏப்ரல் மாசம் கூட இல்லையே?!?Quote:
அப்படியே பல விஷயங்கள் பேசிட்டு இருந்தப்ப திடீர்னு ரஜினி சார், 'கமல்... ஒண்ணா ஒரு படம்... நாம ரெண்டு பேரும் சேர்ந்து நடிக்கணும்னு ஆசையா இருக்கு’னு சொல்லிட்டு கமலையே பார்த்தார். கமல் கொஞ்சம்கூட யோசிக்கலை. 'தாராளமா நடிக்கலாமே... அப்படி நாம சேர்ந்து நடிக்கிற படத்தை சரவணன் சாரே தயாரிக்கட்டும்’னு சொல்லிட்டார்.
ஒருத்தர் உலக நாயகன்... இன்னொருத்தர் சூப்பர் ஸ்டார். ரெண்டு பேருக்குமே என்னைவிட நிறைய சினிமா தெரியும். ரெண்டு பேருக்கும் சம்பளமும் ரொம்பப் பெருசு. எனக்கு என்ன சொல்றதுன்னே தெரியலை. 'உங்க ரெண்டு பேரையும் நடிக்கவெச்சு வேலை வாங்குற திறமை பாலசந்தர் சார்கிட்ட மட்டும்தான் இருக்கு’னு சொன்னேன். ரெண்டு பேருமே சிரிச்சாங்க. அவங்க ஓ.கே. சொல்லிட்டாங்க. இனி, நாங்க தான் மெனக்கெடணும். பார்ப் போம்'' என்று வழக்கமான அமைதிப் புன்னகையுடன் வழியனுப்புகிறார் சரவணன்.
நன்றி - விகடன்
Iru Nilavugal...Quote:
Originally Posted by joe
Yes, its telugu original is Sommokadidhi Sokkadidhi, Bala mentioned this recently?!
app :shock:
'What is the reason, I want to know the reason' for crediting someone else-nu kEtteenga.
Good question.
Kamal wanted to make his directorial debut with a bang. If not for having to take over Chachi 420, his 'debut' would have been Hey Ram.
Here, a director is not just a creator. You need to take care of a lot of grunt work. That's not totally outsourcable either. That person also has to have a creative bent of mind.
Here is an example by Kamal himself of the 'divorce cases' that get brought to a director for panjAyaththu resolution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...GQZ-d094#t=34s
He has a good working relationship with SB, who has no qualms taking executing his vision. When Kamal felt 'ready' to credit himself, mind you, he credited SB as the only associate director in Hey Ram.
And as others have explained, KSR is different. One can think of him as the 'commercial conscience' collaborating with Kamal. But even that is a kinda lazy classification. These are films you get the distinct feel Kamal isn't giving his all aesthetically - unlike Thevar Magan, Guna, Mahanadhi, Kurudhippunal.
(btw for some reason, I harbour the belief he is going to mess me up with VR by directing it himself but still evoking KSR-collaboration feel)
How is it possible to believe Sundar C directed Anbe Sivam??
I don't even want to cite interviews where he cited, Kamal decided everything. Just by looking at the movie, don't you think in scope and aesthetics it feels closer to Kamal's movies than Sundar C's movies?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sankarlal
இதெல்லாம் ஏப்புக்கு தெரியுமா?!?Quote:
Sankarlal is a Tamil language film starring Kamal Haasan in the lead role of the protagonist. This film was initially planned to be directed by T.N.Balu(He is the director for the famous Tamil films Athe kangal and sattam en kayil). Unfortunately T.N.Balu died half-way before completing this film. So Kamal Haasan himself directed and completed this film. This is supposedly his first direction attempt.
I don't think KB will accept to direct...Quote:
Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
Also he looks very tired, nowadays
:ty: ...Quote:
Originally Posted by vijeeshgovindhan
Rhetorical question, I know. The answer is of course obvious. But this 'absence' of a director indirectly gives way to something unfortunate. A lot of people, even those who are fans, genuinely find these films very affecting 'fail' -- to be more precise, lack the vocabulary -- to frame their assessment/appreciation of the film as the success of the filmmaker and invariably end up praising the actor. Both these Kamal performances are indeed powerful but note how that (the performance) is just about the only thing most people end up discussing (the jail meeting scene, the hospital scene in guNA and so on) when there's so much more to say about these films. (My feeling is Kamal completely recognizes this and hence ensures there's always at least a few powerful moments for the actor.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
I differ somewhat from this line of reasoning though I suppose it's also valid to an extent. (Particularly the point about starting with a bang. I think Kamal certainly had such a notion in his mind.) I think the primary reason (and I believe this is close to the industry's understanding too) for Kamal not officially donning the role of a director is he invariably doesn't have the trust of the business people. That's why I think he had to pick an established name (who is also pliable) as the director.Quote:
Originally Posted by P_R
கேரளாவில் சிறந்த கதை, திரைக்கதை, வசனம், இயக்கம் இப்படி ஆளுமைகள் பரந்து விரிந்து கெடக்குது. கூட்டணி என வரும்போது அங்கெல்லாம் எப்படி ஒவ்வொரு பணிகளும் திறம்பட கலந்து ஒவ்வொருவருக்கும் உண்டான இடம் பிரபலமாகிறது? கமல் என வரும்போது, திறமையான இயக்குனர்களிடத்தில் (சிபி மலையில்-பரதன்-சேது மாதவன்).. கருத்து உராய்வுகள் ஏற்பட்டு உடைந்து போகிறது?
ஏன்னா அவருக்கே ஒரு பரந்த vision இருக்கு. அவருக்குத் தேவை executors தான். This is not only true for director's 'grunt work' but also that of a whole set of technicians. The cinematography for instance in his films is first-rate more often than not but note that he never seemed to have the need to stick to collaborating with one established cinematographer. Many of his 'complete' films (i.e. those that are well mounted visually and so on) are shot by enthusiastic newcomers. He works with them for some films and then moves on. Or at least that's how it appears to me.
I've seen on SB interview where he talks about how it was a huge effort to get the cameras in and out of the caves. They ha to build cables to lower and bring out the equipment.
Thats what I meant by the executor being someone who had a creative bent of mind. To know how important, and worth the effort an aesthetic achievement is. One needn't personally be the ideator to to share that passion.
Eq, what were SB's immediately pre Guna films that made him a safe bet collaborator?
Sommaokkaandha Sokkudhudee / Iru Nilavugal. Kamal played the role of an absent minded doctor. YGM dubbed for him in Tamil. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by vijeeshgovindhan
I have heard about a movie which came almost during the same time - 'Unarchigal'. He played a deaf/mute along with Sujatha, IIRC. How good is this movie?
:exactly: @ cinematographers
oNdi aaLA evvaLO dhaan seyyardhunnu dhaan pidichu kudukkuRaar. SeriousA eduththukkappadaadhu.
PR, actually by "established name" I simply mean a director who is known as a director, that's all; and of course willing to be an assistant to Kamal on the sets. Santhana Bharathi is after all a friend, so I suppose Kamal saw in him an able accomplice. My theory is, the business people just want an assurance that a regular director is calling the shots and not an overenthusiastic actor (who'd better stick to what he knows and does well, acting).Quote:
Originally Posted by P_R
I'm reminded of M N Nambiar :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
Once upon a time, there was an interview (either in Vikatan or Kumudam) when the reporter asked him 'why have you not tried hero role'.
The irate MNN's answer was 'nee pAl sAppittukkittu irukkumbOthE nAn kadhA nAyakanA nadichchuttEn'.
Quite apt in the context - perhaps I'm donning the role of "Nambiyar" (villain) in this 'Kamal as Avi iyakkunar' discussion.
Look at my "more than a year old" post on iLangiLiyE, the sweet song from sankarlAl.
IMO, SKV'yOda "same side goal" :wink:Quote:
The director was T N Balu, who earlier did uyarndhavarkaL & sattam en kaiyil with Kamal (iRaivan iraNdu bommaigaL seythAn & sorgam madhuvilE immediately come to mind). IIRC, he died before the movie was complete and someone else released it. (googled to verify my memory and wikipedia says Kamal himself completed it. It claims shankarlal was KH's first directorial attempt :wink: KH-anudhabees may frown at it because the movie was termed dumb and a disaster as well).
mikka nanRi Plum, P_R, Bala(Karthik) for your excellent and patient replies to my posts!
Also, nanRi to equa sir for further insights!
I'm happy that I could get some recognition among theevira KH fans for these people. ('dummy' title getting replaced with 'associate' 'grunt work':lol: 'executor' kind of far more decent descriptions)!
My mission accomplished :-)
Absolutely. I completely agree with the point that it involved delegation of very significant tasks; and can't emphasize enough the point that the executor himself had to be someone who shares the passion of creating the movie. But here's the thing. It's a bit hard to believe that Kamal meant to relieve himself of the nitty-gritties of the making of the film. He is someone who's been notorious for intrusion right from his early days, doing all sorts of errands to achieve something, enhance the film etc.; in his own words he can rightfully claim to have been an assistant director for many of his early films. In short, a hard worker in all ways. And secondly, if he was willing to take the whole responsibility (of being a full-time director) at 45 years, wouldn't he have jumped at it when he was younger?Quote:
Originally Posted by P_R
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Originally Posted by app_engine
1. While u made that post, 2011, i was not paal saaptufying! Basivcally i stopped Paal 20 years b4 itself!
2. you urself came to know that kamal took over, only from Vicky!
3. Since u r ahead of us by timeline, there is no issues at my side if you genuinely come and tell us an info about kamal, which none of us knew b4!
But ippo problem athu illai :) Bala and P_R clearly explains the context! And i asked you how deep did you absorb the arstistic, cinematic contents of the KamalSB movies you mentioned. You seem to wander with some pre-assumptions. Only that led you to think so about Kamal-SB or Kamal-SRR. Of course one cannot get deep in ALL topics no?!
AppQuote:
Originally Posted by app_engine
Sorry to say. It seems like you are still refusing to engage in any meaningful discussion.
How do the terms 'associate', 'grunt work', 'executor' depart from our original (and current) stand that SB was a proxy. What Himalayan difference does all this terminology make? What is this recognition you are talking about? That SB was the director in the sense that he shouted "action", "cut" and moved equipment in between samosa snacks? Are these more important to you than anything creative? How is this different from what was said earlier?
Regarding the Sankarlal post - not something fans would want to flaunt i suppose :lol:
However, disagree with the lines in bold. Like i said, Kamal being the director of a dud (as bad as it may be) is not relevant to this discussion at all. I guess Sakala just made the point that he got to "direct" as early as Sankarlal. Inga panjayathu vera. Moreover, that was not his script (i think). When was the last time any director made an awesome film with an awful script? (BGethukkaaha Geedhaanjali-a rasikkalaam aana adhu nalla padamaiduma?)Quote:
The director was T N Balu, who earlier did uyarndhavarkaL & sattam en kaiyil with Kamal (iRaivan iraNdu bommaigaL seythAn & sorgam madhuvilE immediately come to mind). IIRC, he died before the movie was complete and someone else released it. (googled to verify my memory and wikipedia says Kamal himself completed it. It claims shankarlal was KH's first directorial attempt KH-anudhabees may frown at it because the movie was termed dumb and a disaster as well).
IMO, SKV'yOda "same side goal"
And about taking credit/Mani-Ramani etc. Nobody blamed SSR for Mumbai Xpress, did they? Or Suresh Krissna for Alavandhaan? ["Blame" pannanum-ngara patchathil, in the first place. Both films did have some moments]. Yen, ippo MMA-vaye eduthukkunga....
enna kaiya pudichu ilutthiayaa...
Good point! thOththu pOnaa athu kamal script, gelichaa athu SB/KSR/SSR Direction! Nallaarukku ivanga panjaayathu!
Surya nna ennannu theriyumaa?!? Natpunnaa ennannu theriyumaa?!? Substitute Kamal, Screenplay etc
Just want to remind here that, inspite of the commercial failure of Mahanadhi/GuNaa/Anbesivam, these 3 films are widely discussed in Net then and there. Those who discuss, most of them, find them as great films and had they got released now, they would have become Superhits.
Even SB underlines that in the interview which i posted(only thus all this discussion running :lol: ), "innikku ivanga panra aLavukku engaLaala viLambaram panna vazhi irunthaa, innum ennennamO senjiruppOm"
To clarify, when i said "Nobody blamed SSR....etc" i meant none of "us" (Kamal fans). That was in response to app's allegation that naama vetri-na credit eduthukka virumbarom, tholvi na disown panrom etcQuote:
Originally Posted by sakaLAKALAKAlaa Vallavar
idhu dhAnga Sommakodidhi Sokkakkodidhi, nEthu sonnEnE....Quote:
Originally Posted by joe
i see ..So is this Telugu original dubbed in Tamil as Iru Nilavugal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum
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Originally Posted by Cinemarasigan
KB accept paNdradhu irukkattum...
Idhula enna I think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bala (Karthik)
Andha padaththula nadichadhE thappu
Adhu Kamal ezhudhi irukkak koodiyadhu-nu ninaichchAdhu nemba thappu
Oru sEmbil
Kamal's name is dharmalingam and he comes as an foreigner whose name is D.L.Gum
And in case u couldn't put two and two together and appreciate this pun, the villain Major - explains it to the audience.
Kamal: dEi naan eppadi ellAm directorial debut paNNaNumnu ninaichchEn theriyumA da!
Sommaokkaandha Sokkudhudee
idhukku enna arththam?
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Originally Posted by app_engine
idhu ellAm unga mindla dhAn. nAnga eppOvumE theLivA dhAn irukkOm. indha rendu nAtkaLila yAurm karuththai mAththikkavE illai. oru vELai indha dhabaa nAnga sonnadhu ungaLukku correttA purinjiruchu pOla. Thasaall uvar aanar
KB ellAm vONaam.
Rajini hero. Kamal ezuthu, iyakkam, hitchcockian guest appearance
Saravanansaar vENaam. Raajkamal.
Remba aasappadure neeyi - ennai chonnEn
Absoleetly. It was the first film of Singeetham with Kamal so it has a significant place. As I said before, sila pala teknikkis are there int his film that later showed up in MMKR. Singeetham's non-Kamal movies may not be in the same class but the man certainly has a creative vision that has contributed to the Kamal colloborations.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe
nAn romba nALA aasai pattukittirukkEn.... adhoda vida koodadhu. Mohanal Mammottynu pOttu thAkkaNum.
IR ah illa ARR ah?? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum