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whats with 'Telegraph' drumming support for IPL..any ull-kuthu with BSkyB..'CricketAnalyst' has even come up with prospective county franchises..nallathu nadantha seri :-)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cri...ise-model.html

This takes the cake :lol:

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The ECB are planning to have comedians preforming at domestic T20 matches this summer. It seems a strange decision.

We should be getting serious about the format, not cheapening it, as it represents a vital potential lifeline for the survival of the professional game. The quicker everyone realises that the better.

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yOv Feeyaar, thirumba thirumba puriyAdha MAdhiriyE...:evil:

reNdiayum sEthhu padiyyA. I am saying "X is antural Y is unnatural" when X~=Y is a DING-ian philosophy claiming the authority to define "natural" and "unnatural". thirumba thirumba you keep justifying "X is natural". nAn sonnadhu enna? nInga rebut paNdradhu enna? :twisted:

Let's wish ECB some initial success in this so that they go with the arasan T20 abandoning their purushan Test Cricket. appO indha feeyar, English test cricket loverslAm epdi behave paNdrAngannu pAkkalAm. oNNu nadakkAdhunnu(England will give preference to T20)-nu nenaichu neRaiya extreme position eduthuttAnga - let's see epdi thirudanukku thEL kottinA mAdhiri nadandhukkaRAnga when the chicken come home to roost :lol:


If you see Guardian comments, perumbAlum it is the 30+ Englishman who takes this "IPL is evil. It should be killed. Englishmen alone have respect for Test Cricket. nAnga AdaRadhu dhAn Cricket. nAnga solRadhu dhAn sattam". Younger ones have a more flexible attitude.= - what they want is an English IPL. Basically, they want Imperial Cricket Conference by regaining financial domination, which is not surprising. Englisman genesla idhellAm irukkum.

So, I am hoping that Test Cricket will die in England soon in popularity and the proverbial old man and his dog are all left to support test cricket. As I keep saying, after Sachin, test cricket vayasukku vandhA enna? varAttA enna? I will welcome this development with hearty appreciation. Englismen and quasi-Englishman should manam puzhungi puzhungi vEdhanai padaNum.

appayum "valikkavE illai"-nu maindain paNNuvAnga forumsla but internalA puzhunguvAnga - adhui dhAn enakku vENum

And regarding Chris Gayles "I will not be unhappy about Test Cricket dying", it was a childish response to Strauss's needling about Gayle coming just 2 days before the test series from IPL. What Gayle said was "I will not be unhappy if Test Cricket dies. I can play any format. But some like Strauss might be - he cannot adapt to T20". Which is as succinct and brutally true as it can be - Strauss saying "T20 is evil, Test dhAn great" is like Pandaribai saying "nAn glamour/exposelAm paNNA mAttEn". idhayE Rahul Dravid), Ricky PontinO sonnA adhu vERA vishayam - avangaLukku T20yum varum. They can make a living if Test cricket had died in 2000, they'd still have amde a lot of money from T20 . Strauss and the English cryiong for test cricket is becuase they cant make money out of T20 as it stands now. I guess the future generation of English cricket thinks differently and wille ventually emerge as T2o-compliant. (ofcourse, T20 will become the greatest format at that point in English media). But the current generation batting for Test cricket is all self-convenince thats all.

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Strauss saying "T20 is evil, Test dhAn great" is like Pandaribai saying "nAn glamour/exposelAm paNNA mAttEn".

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:rotfl3: looking around you can add the entire prodigal sons of English cricket in Cook/Bell/Prior to this analogy..BCCI should have made sure Sky got the terrestrial rights for IPL..Botham/Nass/Holding/Athers devising team strategies for IPL teams would have been a sight to behold :lol2: icing would be if ECB seeks Modi's expertise for turning counties to franchises...I can see Modi salivating at the prospect

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...3_1018070i.jpg

http://www.espncricinfo.com/page2/co...ry/563739.html

Kolpak Odd rule that broadly means that anyone can play for anyone as long as they have a British passport/British wife/once received mail with an English postmark :lol:

Twenty20 Life force of English cricket, it actually accounted for 97.6% of Essex's total revenue in the 2011 season. Despite this, English fans look down their noses at the IPL as it has "too much money" and "is not proper cricket". Tell that to the beered-up workers who stroll down after work, throwing notes at overpriced Cornish pasties and watered-down lager while bellowing casual abuse at the poor sap who has to field at fine leg. The "real" county fan sits in the corner, moaning that his ale cost more than £1.20, while methodically and deliberately marking each and every dot on his scorecard.

Oh yeah the famous pimping of English WAG to Stanford right?. hahaha.

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Originally Posted by wizzy

:rotfl3: looking around you can add the entire prodigal sons of English cricket in Cook/Bell/Prior to this analogy..BCCI should have made sure Sky got the terrestrial rights for IPL..Botham/Nass/Holding/Athers devising team strategies for IPL teams would have been a sight to behold :lol2: icing would be if ECB seeks Modi's expertise for turning counties to franchises...I can see Modi salivating at the prospect

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...3_1018070i.jpg

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Have the English ever allowed Non-White players to represent them from SA?. Discount the Indian immigrants(Monty, patel etc etc) in this scenario and think Africans.

gladstone small, chris lewis

Even devon malcolm but they were all English I guess. Borrowed talents from SA.

Philandavar would be a good start ;-)

No, AF. As you say, Phil, Devon, Gladstone etc were immigrants from the Carribean. In the sense, their parents/grandparents immigrated so there can be no doubts about their quallification to play for England.

Obviously, any good black/coloured South African will be gobbled up by the affirmative South African Board so they have no need to emigrate to England. This is unlikely to happen in the near future.

But, to their credit, England did play Basil D'Oliveira, a coloured South African, who, in tune with apartheid in his country, was denied by his board and emigrated to England. Dont imagine that he was welcomed with both hands, though. He wasnt selected for a Saffer Tour in due deference to the Saffer government but was later selected to play after a lot of controversy from maNNin maindhars of England. But, to their credit, a small bunch of Englishmen were courageous enough to give him the chance. This kind of corroborates Feeyar's point - and he probably doesnt know this story - but I am fair enough to give him the artillery that he doesnt know he has.

avru mixed ache..any other true blood Afrikaans represented Eng?

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Originally Posted by Plum

Let's wish ECB some initial success in this so that they go with the arasan T20 abandoning their purushan Test Cricket. appO indha feeyar, English test cricket loverslAm epdi behave paNdrAngannu pAkkalAm. oNNu nadakkAdhunnu(England will give preference to T20)-nu nenaichu neRaiya extreme position eduthuttAnga - let's see epdi thirudanukku thEL kottinA mAdhiri nadandhukkaRAnga when the chicken come home to roost :lol:

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Will drop like a hot potato. Simple.


Kiumble, Dravid. Sachin ellAm T20 aaduradhai ellAm oththukkavE mudiyalai. idhellAm oru format-nu kaari thuppittu varavENdaamA.

Oh...next allegation racisaumA :lol2:
adhAvadhu Tsotsobe thangachchiyai eduththaalum thappu, edukkAttiyum thappu.
nallA argue paNreengappa :clap:

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Originally Posted by Plum

But, to their credit, a small bunch of Englishmen were courageous enough to give him the chance. This kind of corroborates Feeyar's point - and he probably doesnt know this story - but I am fair enough to give him the artillery that he doesnt know he has.

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sabaas...nallavarundreenga.
(oru aLavukku kadhai theriyin)

aanO bhadhrahA krathavO yanthu vishvathahA - let good things reach us from all directions.
adhaan England hiring policy :wave:

Adhaavadhu naanga veLLakaaranai hire paNNa koodaadhu. Ninga yaarai vENA hire paNNikkalaam. Idhula "we take good things from all directions"-nu perumai vERa pEsuvInga? :huh: . Allow us to hire veLLaikAra fast bowlers. appuRam nAngaLum "aanO bhadhrahA krathavO yanthu vishvathahA" sollikkaROm :poke:


Other points to ponder: it was sat that time imply not possible for a Saffer coloured to get respect and a top position in England but Oliveira was absorbed. By your defn, that is odd. Since there was not much record of Coloured saffers pozhaippukkAga England vandhing and rising to the top, by your logic Oliveria shouldnt have been absorbed in the national team but he was - and you seem to be proud of the fact today. Yet you argue against a similar situation in India.

Adhu nadakkalaam - India shouldn't recruit de Lange? (You thought I was giving you a free hit with Oliveira ? ). Englishmen who weren't doing great in Britain coming to India in search of fame and fortune - idhellaam 18th centurylErundhu nadakkaRadhu dhaan. Enna oru 64 varushamA konjam koRainju irukku. So idhuvum natural dhaan. VaralARRai puratti pArungaL amaicharE!

Also, there was huge resistance to Oliveira in England, which corroborates my and wizzy's and AF's point."Unnatural" things keep happening and then become natural over a period of time. So, do you want to be like the small Englanders who resisted Oliveira in the name of Tradition or like the minority honourable Englishmen who fought for his inclusion, and changed the thought process of a society? Today, England has far more liberal men who think - or possibly, publicly show like they are against; i.e possibly keep their dark desires to suppress black men to themselves - of apartheid as evil than otherwise. This wasn't the case in the 60s - Oliveira's inclusion was looked at as a snub of their Saffer white brethren by Little Englanders. It was really a few Englishmen who made the difference. Today, you are talking like those little Englanders.

Actually, nobody was unhappy with Defreitas etc playing for England. Infact, let's take Strauss. We don't object because he moved to england as a kid and was a product of the English Cricket system. In talk of natural immigration etc, you forget notions of fairness. T20 vishayathula unfairA iruppinga sari. TestslaiyumA? It is fair for a player whose parents or grandparents or ancestors or he himself migrated before his formative years to play for England - but what England is doing is cynically exploiting this to steal players from other countries. This is just like corporate and club culture - which you think should not be mixed with Test cricket. You are actually going against your own ideals in your England Cricket mOham. You don't subscribe to your own notion of fairness. That's how pathetic your state of mind is.

Yov yov :lol2:. Unake overaa illa.

That was just line of thought. Idhu varaikkum argue pannadhukellam neer ozhunga vilakkam kodutha madhiri.

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Originally Posted by P_R

Oh...next allegation racisaumA :lol2:
adhAvadhu Tsotsobe thangachchiyai eduththaalum thappu, edukkAttiyum thappu.
nallA argue paNreengappa :clap:

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Our Mod here was just mouthwatering at that prospect when Philander made his debut. Just like an ECB Hiring scout.

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Originally Posted by wizzy

Philandavar would be a good start ;-)

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Ummai mattum kekkuraennu nenaikadheer. I am asking this question to all purists. What is wrong in playing that format?. Umaku pudikalaina appdi orama poi ukkaralame. How do you expect everyone to accept your line of thinking?.

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Originally Posted by P_R

Kiumble, Dravid. Sachin ellAm T20 aaduradhai ellAm oththukkavE mudiyalai. idhellAm oru format-nu kaari thuppittu varavENdaamA.

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P_R unga tuk-u :lol:

remember reading a Brit who said these overseas recruits were their attempts to ape all the great sides at that time..70s/80s saw Carib cricketers in their ranks..90s was turn of OZ(Hollioakes/Tim Ambrose/Mullaly/Craig White) and the entire pantheon of Protea cricketers in 00s :lol:

BCCI should help Narine/Narayan/Narayanan realize his test dreams..WICB and their status quo :banghead:

The thing is if you are taling pride in a case-by-case approach,then, instead of taking it generic-case-by-generic-case (i.e.) White Saffers going to England for plumbing is not unheard so a Saffer for 30 years of his life can play for England, you should take it as specific-case-by-specific-case. (i.e.) Strauss and Prior moved to England as children and were products of English system so it is fair for them to play for England but not so for KP and Trott. if it is fair for KP and Trott to play for England, it is fair for India to play Roach, Rampaul, De Lange, or heck, we'll settle for Bracewell or Southee.

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Originally Posted by Plum

Adhaavadhu naanga veLLakaaranai hire paNNa koodaadhu. Ninga yaarai vENA hire paNNikkalaam. Idhula "we take good things from all directions"-nu perumai vERa pEsuvInga? :huh: . Allow us to hire veLLaikAra fast bowlers. appuRam nAngaLum "aanO bhadhrahA krathavO yanthu vishvathahA" sollikkaROm :poke:

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thirumba thirumba pEsura nee
Indiavula ennikku SAfrican vElai thEdi vandhirukkaan.

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Originally Posted by Plum

Other points to ponder: it was sat that time imply not possible for a Saffer coloured to get respect and a top position in England but Oliveira was absorbed. By your defn, that is odd. Since there was not much record of Coloured saffers pozhaippukkAga England vandhing and rising to the top, by your logic Oliveria shouldnt have been absorbed in the national team but he was - and you seem to be proud of the fact today. Yet you argue against a similar situation in India.

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Specious argument. Oppressed SAF blacks, moottai thookki pozhaikkavaavadhu England pOyiruppAinga. Not to India. idhellAm ungaLukkE theriyin. irundhaalum both-are-same-nu veembukku argue paNreenga.

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Adhu nadakkalaam - India shouldn't recruit de Lange? (You thought I was giving you a free hit with Oliveira ? ). Englishmen who weren't doing great in Britain coming to India in search of fame and fortune - idhellaam 18th centurylErundhu nadakkaRadhu dhaan. Enna oru 64 varushamA konjam koRainju irukku. So idhuvum natural dhaan. VaralARRai puratti pArungaL amaicharE!

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Oh idhula mEra bhaarath gandhi magaan vERaiyA :lol2:

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Today, you are talking like those little Englanders.

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Point totally rejected.
I am not arguing every tradition to be preserved as I mentioned in response to wizzy, several pages back.
Certain traditions that suppress, oppress and depress have to be counteracted.

But illAdha traditionai, kaasu kuduththu cricket-la mattum create paNNuvEn-nu solradhu dhaan unnatural 'ngREn.

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This is just like corporate and club culture -

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No

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Originally Posted by Plum

which you think should not be mixed with Test cricket.

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appadillAm enga sonnEn?

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You are actually going against your own ideals in your England Cricket mOham.

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deduction-A?

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Originally Posted by Plum

That's how pathetic your state of mind is.

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Conclusion

neengaLA oNNu pEsikkureenga.

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Umaku pudikalaina appdi orama poi ukkaralame. How do you expect everyone to accept your line of thinking?.

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avvaLO democratic-A, open minded-A irundhA naan yEn inga vandhu kuththa vaikkuREn.

kaiyai madakki eRiyuradhulErndhu ovvoNNuththukkum saNdai pOda vENdi irukku. yEn-nA makkaL sulabamA yEththukkaraanga.

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The thing is if you are taling pride in a case-by-case approach,then, instead of taking it generic-case-by-generic-case (i.e.) White Saffers going to England for plumbing is not unheard so a Saffer for 30 years of his life can play for England, you should take it as specific-case-by-specific-case. (i.e.) Strauss and Prior moved to England as children and were products of English system so it is fair for them to play for England but not so for KP and Trott. if it is fair for KP and Trott to play for England, it is fair for India to play Roach, Rampaul, De Lange, or heck, we'll settle for Bracewell or Southee.

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Many KPs and Trotts study in SA and find jobs in England, emigrate etc.
Whether any Southees come to India with dreams?

Our point of difference is: why can't cricket be the starting point? Why should it always be plumbing.
That is where I disagree.

In cricket is matches what is going on in rest of English society. Hence the feeling that it is 'natural'. Which does not imply there is no conscious mechanics of hiring.
Whereas if India did it, then it would be a phenomenon exclusive to cricket, unheard of elsewhere in society. Hence I reject.

idhai vida eppadi irakki kaatturadhu?

You are the one ungalukku mattume puriya koodiya logicla pEsuRadhu. Your mode of argument is when ynnot justify something logically "naan apdithaan democratic illai" etc. In other word you are upholding naadharithanam against things you can not tolerate.agree othi e framed and call England naadhaaris once. Infact you havelready implicitly accepted that but accept explicitly and we can stop this here. When I get a goodnnection, I can do a n by point rebuttal but ippo page load pradhe kastamaa irukku.

You are the one ungalukku mattume puriya koodiya logicla pEsuRadhu. Your mode of argument is when you cannot justify something logically "naan apdithaan democratic illai" etc. In other word you are upholding naadharithanam against things you can not tolerate. Agree on this in the wordings I framed and call England naadhaaris once. Infact you have already implicitly accepted that but accept explicitly and we can stop this here. When I get a stable connection, I can do a point by point rebuttal but ippo page load pandradhe kastamaa irukku.

nEththu Robin Singh case-la konjam sense vandhdadhellAm kARROdu pOyAchA? Clearly, you felt nothing unnatural about Robin Singh playing for TN, which he has no snAna prApthi to. So, your claim about foreigners playing for India being odd is empty. When it didnt occur odd to you when it actually happened, your case is very flaky. You dont have clear convictions - you are just arguing for argument sake. It is cler from the Robin Singh episode. Case actualyl closed. Let me see what it takes for you to admit that you were wrong.

I admit I was wrong. Wrong in letting Robin Singh in :razz:
valichaalum paraalla, Robin-ai exception-nu mark paNNa vENdiyadhu dhaan.
avan oruththanukkaaga Albie Morkel India-ku bowling paNra kodumaiyai ellAm pArkka mudiyAdhu.
adhellAm exclusively first world privilege.

orE oru thadavai idhai sollungaLEn: 'yes I admit, nearly no foreigner ever comes to India seeking employing, except Bangladeshis and other SAsians, whom P_R has most graciously permitted to play for India'

The tide is actually turning P_r. I've heard(In News obviously) Europeans wanting to work in India since Eurozone crisis has gone bad.

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orE oru thadavai idhai sollungaLEn: 'yes I admit, nearly no foreigner ever comes to India seeking employing, except Bangladeshis and other SAsians, whom P_R has most graciously permitted to play for India'

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The tide is actually turning P_r. I've heard(In News obviously) Europeans wanting to work in India since Eurozone crisis has gone bad.

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அப்படி நடந்தா அதுக்கு பிறகு கிரிக்கெட்லயும் எடுத்துக்குங்க. Oddஆ தெரியாது.

Happadaa kadasiya Saami uttharavu koduthuruchu :rotfl:

:evil:

Dave Richardson mattum CEO aana subcontinental sides'ku rivet thaen..Seenu Maama/Pawar in the interview panel..pliss do the needful.

Saami tamizhla enna uththaravu koduthirukku? :roll: . Naan En saami solRadhai sollaNum - I have logically justified my position. Saami dhaan "I know this is not logical, consistent ot just but even at the cost of being unjust and naadhaari, I support England's naadharithanam". Otoh, I haven't conceded any such point to say what saami has framed in his post abovez.

:cry3: intha panjaayaththu eppo thaan mudiyumO? oru vaarama ukkaanthu pEsittu irukeenga :evil: .. BTW, athu yaen Eng/Aus/NZ ku mattum intha vithi vilakku? avunga thaan poranthaangala intha olagaththula? Avungalukku mattum yaen antha exclusivity? If you see English Badminton/TT team, most of the players will be from China/Japan/Korea. It’s like they have the liberty to pick best from the pool to represent their nation in sports which they are not good at...

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If you see English Badminton/TT team, most of the players will be from China/Japan/Korea. It’s like they have the liberty to pick best from the pool to represent their nation in sports which they are not good at...

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en selvamE.. nanRu sonnaai.
enakku vERa endha sport-ai paththiyum theriyAdhu 'ngradhaala, idhu ennamO cricket-la mattumE nadakkuradhA solli oru appAviyai yEmAththap pAththaanga.

piRa sports-layin nadakkudhA? Not surprising. Natural dhaan.