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5th February 2014, 10:21 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by
rajaramsgi
உங்கள் தாடியிலும், ப்ரீத்தியின் முகத்திலும் சிரிக்கும் போது கூட சின்னதாய் ஒரு சோகம்.
இயக்குனரே நடிகருமா? கடைசியில் பெயர் போடுவதற்கும் காணொளி பதிப்பாளரின் பெயரும் வெவ்வேறாக இருக்கிறதே!
சொல்லிச் சொல்லி ஆறாது சொன்னா துயர் தீராது...
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5th February 2014 10:21 AM
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5th February 2014, 02:48 PM
#32
Senior Member
Platinum Hubber
Originally Posted by
tigger2
thamiz,
a movie does not need to have a message. I was not trying to make a K Bhagyaraj movie..
but I liked the takeaway from this movie that a woman who strays outside of marriage is not necessarily a bad person.
Thanks!
New concepts and new trends upheld a la Jesus Christ mode(ie old trends and customs making a comeback, actually, a down slide!): a woman straying outside marriage is not necessarily bad! Message to piss off Moral high horses! Got it? All married and unmarried and divorced women out there: heartening news for you! Not old enough yet to learn/understand men's dictionary!!!
Eager to watch the trends of the world & to nurture in the youth who carry the future world on their shoulders a right sense of values.
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5th February 2014, 07:03 PM
#33
Senior Member
Seasoned Hubber
trigger 2: I never feel comfortable to comment on any creator's effort face to face. My morals wont allow such. So, I should appreciate the effort u put spending lots of money. All the best and wish you all success.
I did not say "that woman" is a bad person. Did I? If you carefully look at it, it is men who create such woman to satisfy their "sexual fantasy".
Men make it look like women love that too! That is how they manipulate women from old days. They continue doing that even today. Anyway, I am only concerned about the SERIOUS consequences of "such one-night stand" or "casual sex" when someone is cheating on their partner who trusted her/him.
In general, men want to "fool around" without any "long-term" commitment. They enjoy such "sexual fantasy" coming true. Nobody controls them living single and fool around all their life. BUT THEY WONT! That's the funny part!
This movie shows only about two people's emotions. I wanted to show you that it can have serious consequences (like this unfaithful scene) unlike someone claiming here that human emotions (JUST SEX) as miraculous blah blah bullshit. Men justify their weaknesses by talking this kind of BS using words like "miracle" "ethics" "moral horses" etc.
They are cowards. They are "too quick" in everything. Such men are useless to women! Especially YOU NEED TO HEAR that from WOMEN! Again dont fool around hearing Mens' opinion on how women feel about such worthless "quickies"!
Last edited by thamiz; 11th February 2014 at 04:31 AM.
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5th February 2014, 07:15 PM
#34
Senior Member
Platinum Hubber
Eager to watch the trends of the world & to nurture in the youth who carry the future world on their shoulders a right sense of values.
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5th February 2014, 08:17 PM
#35
Junior Member
Junior Hubber
I think Semantics is important here. I said the woman is not necessarily bad.. I did not say what she did was not bad...
or in other words, condemn the action if you want to, but do not condemn the person.
that is what I want to point out.. especially in the movie.. when a man does something bad, he is forgiven, and all is well. In movies usually, when a woman does something bad like this, she is either killed off, or put in jail, or something bad happens to her. I wanted to change that.
Originally Posted by
pavalamani pragasam
New concepts and new trends upheld a la Jesus Christ mode(ie old trends and customs making a comeback, actually, a down slide!): a woman straying outside marriage is not necessarily bad! Message to piss off Moral high horses! Got it? All married and unmarried and divorced women out there: heartening news for you!
Not old enough yet to learn/understand men's dictionary!!!
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5th February 2014, 08:34 PM
#36
Junior Member
Junior Hubber
thamiz,
criticism is fine as long as it is not over the top. so you are good...
I have had different reactions from women for this movie. some really liked it. some did not and said it was not believable. some empathized with the character, and said they could relate because they have been controlled all their life. One girl did not mention anything about what happened that night.. she was so intent on the fact that in her life too she was not allowed to choose a career or a husband herself. She did not say this, but I would like to think that to her, the fact that the girl cheated on her husband was not that relevant.
to me, the fact that she may or may not have slept with this stranger is a detail in the movie, not the main crux of the movie. so when people fixate on this issue alone ignoring everything else in the movie, it throws as much light on the commentators as it does on the movie-creator.
Originally Posted by
thamiz
trigger 2: I never feel comfortable to comment any creator's effort face to face. My morals wont allow such. So, I should appreciate the effort u put spending lots of money. All the best and wish you all success.
I did not say "that woman" is a bad person. Did I? If you carefully look at it is men who create such woman to satisfy their "sexual fantasy". They make it look like women love that too! That is how they manipulate women right from old days. They continue doing that even today. Anyway, I am only concerned about the SERIOUS consequences of "such one-night stand" or "casual sex" when someone is cheating on their partner who trusted her/him.
In general, men want to "fool around" without any "long-term" commitment. They enjoy such fantasy coming true. Nobody controls them living single and fool around all their life. BUT THEY WONT! This movie shows only about two people's emotions. I wanted to show you that it can have serious consequences (like this unfaithful scene) unlike someone claiming here that human emotions (JUST SEX) as miraculous blah blah bullshit. Men justify their weakness by talking this kind of BS using words like "miracle" "ethics" "moral horses".
They are cowards. They are "too quick" in everything. Such men are useless to women! YOU NEED TO HEAR that from WOMEN! Again dont fool around hearing Mens' opinion on how women feel about such worthless "quickies"!
Last edited by tigger2; 5th February 2014 at 08:48 PM.
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5th February 2014, 08:39 PM
#37
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Junior Hubber
no.. the hero is an actor from Chennai named Jayaprakash. His next commercial release is yaazh, where he has a character role. I did appear in a few scenes.. in the opening few minutes I am standing at the bus-stop. I can also be seen entering just before the pair leaves the restaurant.
Originally Posted by
venkkiram
இயக்குனரே நடிகருமா? கடைசியில் பெயர் போடுவதற்கும் காணொளி பதிப்பாளரின் பெயரும் வெவ்வேறாக இருக்கிறதே!
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5th February 2014, 10:26 PM
#38
Senior Member
Seasoned Hubber
Originally Posted by
tigger2
thamiz,
criticism is fine as long as it is not over the top. so you are good...
I have had different reactions from women for this movie. some really liked it. some did not and said it was not believable. some empathized with the character, and said they could relate because they have been controlled all their life. One girl did not mention anything about what happened that night.. she was so intent on the fact that in her life too she was not allowed to choose a career or a husband herself. She did not say this, but I would like to think that to her, the fact that the girl cheated on her husband was not that relevant.
to me, the fact that she may or may not have slept with this stranger is a detail in the movie, not the main crux of the movie. so when people fixate on this issue alone ignoring everything else in the movie, it throws as much light on the commentators as it does on the movie-creator.
My criticisms are general, on men-women issues. Not just on the creator!
Let me get into that.. It is true you have not shown anything explicitly but..
Our hero is kind of shocked when he learns that she has a child and partner! Here is where the problem comes. I wonder WHY? He should have anticipated that "possibility" too! Does he think, she is just imported to "this world" "as an attractive woman" when he started ogling at her?
The night "they spend together" was so short that and she did not even have time to reveal whether she is a "mother" or "wife" or anything about herself.
May be they are like-minded people had a chat about IR music and all that. That is not such big deal! That will never make that night special, imo.
Like I said, "strangers" always look fresh. When they get to know the "truth" about each other, and their background they will look like "such a bore". The "stranger" will fall in a category you already met and got bored with it. They wont look special anymore. That is why people go for such short-term relationship looking for a "stranger". Because they can't take the TRUTH or REALITY! They want to be ignorant and stupid on purpose! Their "ignorance" make them special for that night. Next day, she wont be special anymore. Because the hero learns that she is another normal woman!
Last edited by thamiz; 11th February 2014 at 04:42 AM.
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5th February 2014, 10:36 PM
#39
Senior Member
Seasoned Hubber
Hehe! Dubaakkur moralist & first rate male-chauvinist Rajinikanthu movies always send out MESSAGES like :
"பொம்பளைங்கன்னா அடக்கமா இருக்கணும். பஜாரித்தனம் பண்ணக்கூடாது. ஆம்பளகிட்ட அடங்கி நடக்கணும் அடாவடித்தனம் பண்னக் கூடாது" et al...
We usually Don't see criticisms for cr*p like that from most morality Policewomen who preach from their Oracle pedestal!
Infact, Balachander's movies through 1970s and 80s had this Rebellious - sometimes even adulterous portrayal of woman, and women loved his Films!
Truth is always Stranger than fiction and sometimes even wilder than Pornography!
People who grew out of Ambulimama stories and Rajinikanth films should not have much difficulty in appreciating that "Grey" is the color when it comes to Human Emotions and Black or White usually dont work!
The Short film in question is absolutely true to its premise and well executed. The climax says it all and it happened to 2 mature people not some teens with wet dreams!
Again Ethics VS Morals should sum it up.
There was a time when Woman were not allowed to expect that an Husband should take care of "all" her needs or her most "intimate" needs. We had a Kanimozhi who divorced her first husband because he was impotent! (can you believe that?!)
If a woman in her moment chose to have a relationship with someone and decided that it was a one-off and left it behind her - thats her choice.
Myths being exploded here:
1) Ah! IT people build these adulterous stories
Bang: It happens to all sections of the society
2) No matter what a woman cannot and wont do stuff like that
Bang: A woman can and will do whatever a Man can do..its nature... She is not a "doll" to be manipulated or Key-operated. That kind of cr*appy portrayal usually comes from Prudes or uptight maniacs who would usually be a nightmare to their partners!
3) These portrayals are from wet dreams of Men who "prey" on Woman.
Bang: Actually, it takes a lot of Maturity and respect towards woman - to earn this Kind of Love/relationship from woman, which usually would be based on ethics.
Slam-dunk guys get bimbos not "woman!"
The sociological dimension of it are a vast subject which needs to be handled by Woman/Men who dont Salivate at the Machismo of the Screen Heros and/or Worship celibacy!
M.K. Narayanan, Sivasankara Menon, A.K.Antony, Satish Nambiar, Vijay Nambiar, Nirupama Menon Rao....
இந்திய தேசியம், இந்திய நீதி, இந்திய தருமம்:
இலட்சம் தமிழன் செத்தாலும் பரவாயில்லை. ஒரே ஒரு <டிங்க்> மனசும் கூடப் புண்பட்டுவிடக்கூடாது!
டகால்ட்டி திராவிடன் கருணாநிதியின் கையால் சாவதைக் காட்டிலும் ஒரிஜினல் <டிங்> ஜெ.வின் கையால் அழிவது மேல்!
"The Recrudescence of Thamizh ethnicism is deadlier than Ebola Virus - declares Dr. Varna Ratna, announcing the path-breaking discovery.."
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5th February 2014, 10:53 PM
#40
Senior Member
Seasoned Hubber
Originally Posted by
tigger2
no.. the hero is an actor from Chennai named Jayaprakash. His next commercial release is yaazh, where he has a character role. I did appear in a few scenes..
in the opening few minutes I am standing at the bus-stop. I can also be seen entering just before the pair leaves the restaurant.
Jayaprakash stars in Yaazh? He is not the lead actor though?....
Coming back to your short film... There are some subtle moments like when she is waiting for (presumably) her hubby, to go to her Favorite Drama - he doesn't turn up right..indicating he does not give much respect to her Sensibilities and her "rasanai"... then this guy goes with her (getting the ticket from her) and later when she realises that he put up through a full length Girish Karnad drama without knowing the Language - just to be impulsively with her!
That's romantic!
Even in Mrs & Mr Iyer - similar theme had been explored..
BaluMahendhra slightly touched this in his "Marupadiyum".
Last edited by geno; 5th February 2014 at 10:56 PM.
M.K. Narayanan, Sivasankara Menon, A.K.Antony, Satish Nambiar, Vijay Nambiar, Nirupama Menon Rao....
இந்திய தேசியம், இந்திய நீதி, இந்திய தருமம்:
இலட்சம் தமிழன் செத்தாலும் பரவாயில்லை. ஒரே ஒரு <டிங்க்> மனசும் கூடப் புண்பட்டுவிடக்கூடாது!
டகால்ட்டி திராவிடன் கருணாநிதியின் கையால் சாவதைக் காட்டிலும் ஒரிஜினல் <டிங்> ஜெ.வின் கையால் அழிவது மேல்!
"The Recrudescence of Thamizh ethnicism is deadlier than Ebola Virus - declares Dr. Varna Ratna, announcing the path-breaking discovery.."
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