Khan Saheb Kamal Haasan's Jamaat/Jeba Koottam/Devasthaanam - Part 8

[joe]

Why there is no info on what kamal spoke?

http://cinema.dinamalar.com/tamil-ne...Kollywood/.htm

[PARAMASHIVAN]

1. Kamal 80s ordinary movies

Agreed!

2. Rajini is the only actor among all mass heroes and mass hero wannabes in Tamil film continuum. I don't like 6 to 60 but look at how he handled ordinary moments there. Grouch can write more. As NT would have done it. Call him a NT clone yeah if you want. Nothing to be ashamed about that.

Agree ,. But wouldn't call him a NT clone, but he does possess NT's mannerisms, no doubt! If one analyser RK's Clones, or Rajni wannabe the list is endless, the gang leader is none other than Joseph Vijay Chandrasekar!

5. Rajini after Thalabadhi is thoroughly wasted

Agree with the exception of Chiti V2!

[joe]

http://cinema.dinamalar.com/tamil-ne...Kollywood/.htm

ஆடியோ வெயீட்டிற்கு பிறகு பேசிய கமல்ஹாசன், முதற்கண் என் அய்யனுக்கு வணக்கம். என்னை சிவாஜியின் ஒரு பிள்ளையாக பாவித்தற்கு நன்றி. நான் இங்கு வந்தது ஒரு கடமை. அவர் இறந்த பிறகும் பிரபு மற்றும் ராம்குமார் என்னை அவர்களது *சகோதரனாக பார்க்கிறார்கள். இங்கு சொன்னார்கள் விக்ரம் முதல் அடி நன்றாக வைத்திருக்கிறார் என்று, நான் சொல்கிறேன், முதல்அடியே அவர் அருவியில் வைத்திருக்கிறார்.அதில் அன்பு கொட்டுகிறது. மேலும் இந்த படத்தில் வெற்றியின் சாயல் தெரிகிறது. அதாவது மினிமம் கேரண்டி இந்த படம். இப்போதும் கர்ணன் வெற்றியை பார்த்தால் புரியும் அது மினிமன் கேரண்டி படம். இங்கு ரொம்ப முக்கியமானது ரஜினி வந்தது. ரொம்ப நியாமான ஆளு. இது எங்கள் வீட்டு விழா, எங்கள் இருவரது வீட்டின்* செங்கலில் சிவாஜி, பாலசந்தர், ஏ.வி.எம். பெயர் இருக்கிறது. வாழ்க்கையில் எங்களுக்கு அவர்கள் கிடைத்த பாக்கியம். நான் சிவாஜிக்கு சவால் விட்ட படம் தான் தேவர் மகன். இந்த விழாவில் கலந்து கொண்டது தலை குனிந்து, முகம் சுளித்து கலந்து கொண்டதற்காக அல்ல, மனசு நிறைய வாழ்த்த வந்திருக்கோம். விக்ரமுக்கு *நிறைய பொறுப்பு இருக்கு. எப்போதும் பயம் கூடாது. தினம் கற்று கொண்டே இரு. நாங்கள் அப்படித்தான் கற்று கொண்டோம். நாங்கள் சிவாஜியிடம் கற்று கொண்டது நிறைய. மேலும் ஒன்று சொல்கிறேன். கலைஞர் எழுதிய வசனம், அவர் சொன்னார், இவர் சொன்னார் என்று நம்பி தடுமாற வேண்டாம். உன் பகுத்தறிவை கொண்டு செயல்படு என்று சொல்லி வாழ்த்துகிறேன். மேலும் இந்த படத்தில் உழைத்த அத்தனை பேருக்கும் என் வாழ்த்துக்கள் என்றார்.

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[venkkiram]

4. I rejeet stunt and dance talent so yeah, P-R's passionate arguments for 80s Kamal along those lines is rejetted.
7. Frabhu deva dance - sori sirangu soridhal, pant zip kazhatti moodal, sattai thiRandhu moodal, discrete movements - bhava bayaharam. Thank God I don't have much respect for dance as an art. If he is the standard against which Kamal is poor dancer, lacks grace etc, you guys should take it easy. You don't want to call Kamal good according to those standards.

உங்களுக்குப் பிடிக்கல. ஆனால் ஊர் ரசிக்குதுங்க.

[tamizharasan]

உங்களுக்குப் பிடிக்கல. ஆனால் ஊர் ரசிக்குதுங்க.

I totally agree on this. The whole world enjoys it. Even in hollywood action triumphs over drama in box-office. Imposing one's wish on others is totally subjective thing.

[tamizharasan]

Latter day 'concept' based fights are (rightly) remembered: the blade-fight in Nammavar, Thevar magan silambam, toilet fight in MMKR (French fencer post ) ..why even the umbrella fight in Anbe Sivam (which is not that good IMO).

But you really need to see the 80s films to see how much better he is. He generally has longer sequences without cuts. He takes lesser help from quick-cut-editing (not that that's a bad thing, but you kinda feel the overall punch is not there - early 90s Vijayakanth fights vs. post 2000 which is pretty much all gimmicks).

You can see Kamal channeling a lot of martial arts aesthetics. Some of them can't even be attributed to stuntmasters. For instance in the fight right after singAri sarakku in kAkki chattai : Kamal punches a guy, while he gasps for breath, a tired Kamal wipes his face, and then punches him again

And it would appear all in one quick flow. indha maadhiri paRpala chinna chinna vishayangaL.

There is no wonder you write well because you are such a big fan of Cinema(not any specific genre but all genres)

[PARAMASHIVAN]

I totally agree on this. The whole world enjoys it. Even in hollywood action triumphs over drama in box-office. Imposing one's wish on others is totally subjective thing.

Plum simply said he did not like KH dance/stunt. He did not generalise that ?

[Nerd]

have always wondered abt Rajini's contribution to a given film, besides his trademark charisma-pulling-crowds ?

MGR am told was part of the music/song composition, choice of lyrics, screenplay etc etc - of course, his care/concern in keeping himself in shape is legendary!
the last factor probably helped in bringing in the 'pathhu gundars adithhy veezhthum believability' factor!

Its really staggering to see people actualy *invent* something to put Rajini below MGR. MGR and screenplay? Did he write a Roshomon? Songs, well TFM has always been blessed (pre-00s) with phenomenal music talent. Lyrics, seriously? Compare with what KD wrote for Sivaji films. And stunts? As Grouch put it, its not circus, its cinema for God's sakes. You need to *act*. He had two stock expressions, one for songs and one for stunts.

[Plum]

Plum simply said he did not like KH dance/stunt. He did not generalise that ?

Faramukku puriyudhu. TA, Venkkiramku puriyala. idhu epdi irukku?

[Plum]

Its really staggering to see people actualy *invent* something to put Rajini below MGR. MGR and screenplay? Did he write a Roshomon? Songs, well TFM has always been blessed (pre-00s) with phenomenal music talent. Lyrics, seriously? Compare with what KD wrote for Sivaji films. And stunts? As Grouch put it, its not circus, its cinema for God's sakes. You need to *act*. He had two stock expressions, one for songs and one for stunts.

+1. MGR's history as a cinema artist is being rewritten desperately. And also this thing about MGR songs being great - never understood that. As you say, what KD wrote for NT stands way above any other in the history of tamil lyrics. Soaked in Life...as against phoney aRivurais from vAdhyAr.
BTW, recently saw thyaagam. In the climax, Thengai gets into a fight with villains an dsays this before involving in adidhadi
(He plays kovil battacharyaar in the movie)
"Enna iyeru kambai edukkaRAnnu pArkaRELA. idhai ellAM enakku yAru solli koduthA theriyumA? (pregnant pause, I am thinking a praise dialogue for NT's character will come here). "VAdhYAr. enga vAdhyAr" with a clear indication of who he is referring to.

Now, we have been discussing about Sivaji vs MGR in magnanimity an dinnocence stakes. Some MGR abhimaanis ELanMA asked Sivajikku vAila veral vechA kadikka theriyAdhA. Sure he wouldnt be that innocent. But surely, this is unprecedented. Praise of arch rival by an actor whom he had given a chance despite knowing that he is part of rival camp. And allowing that to remain in the final cut of the movie.

Contrast this with the man who chided vaali for writing Andavan Kattalai is bigger than Arasa kattalai.

It is clear who was putting up a show of magnanimity and who was truly magnanimous