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I have said this before and will say now - Yes, Kamal is not a threat to both Ajith and Vijay when it comes to BO. He plays in a different category and I had consciously avoided him in this. I'm a Kamal fan and its not a bitter truth to most of us. We know where he stands and appreciate him for what he does.Quote:
Originally Posted by VinodKumar's
Next time vijay will release a poster for 100th day without out even theatre list, like thala's Arramam :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by sakthii
You're singling out the SAC part .. That was mainly to respond to Ajay when he said it was because of the golden period that SS and UN made their way to the top. If you read my post fully, it'll make more sense. People arrive at different times but the one who makes full use of it is the ultimate victor.Quote:
Originally Posted by VinodKumar's
:rotfl: . Naan sollala I am Vijay/Ajith fan but also Rajini/KAmal fan-nu solluvaanganu. Vijay anna-nu enna sollunganu avaru ellor vutulayum poi ketukittaru. Stamp release pannanumnu ivaru solli Kalaingar/Stalin/Dayanidhi/Manmanohan ellam accept pannikitaanga :lol:. We follow what Super Star followed. Some samples ...
http://rajinifans150.tripod.com/100days.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...aan_poster.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...zhaippaali.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Veera_Main.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...lam_poster.jpg
Chandramuki 804 days celebration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nObdnJU3Aqg
Billu, I too like Kamal not a fan though. Kamal is in different path. Kamal is not an actor judged in terms of box office. But if one wants to be in top box office also matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by bill4u
1. I can quote a dozen examples. 4 years back, a Malaysian national (not a Tamil speaking Malay), fully drunk made me sit near him and listen to Raakkamma Kaiya Thattu for 10 minutes. Later he was telling me how Rajanikanth became a star after having worked as conductor and coolie. When I worked in Kolkata, my colleagues used to call me 'the guy from RajiniLand' :-( I used to argue with them each time but in vain. Now In the US, another set of Hindi-speaking colleagues do the same. Rajini's reach or Rajini mania is something well planned and executed by North Indian media post-Chandramukhi (It started when Eros bought Sivaji's rights & they started paid advertising through TOI and rediff). It is still growing & can not be controlled by anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by bill4u
2. Robot's Hindi version was not a top draw in the North Indian belt. It was just an average grosser & collected about 20 crores. But who cares? As far as NI media is concerned, Rajini can never go wrong & his movies CANT fail.
Andha 'different path' layum 100-200 cr hit kudukkaradhudhan 'kombula paal sorakkuradhu' nu solvaanga. Kamal has been consistently proving his worth in the BO. Except MMA which, I agree, did not even get an opening, none of his recent movies failed. VV, Dasavatharam, Vishwaroopam are his normal movies (not MMA) and they are all among the top grossers in TFI. Idhukku mela BO'la enna kizhikkanum?Quote:
Originally Posted by VinodKumar's
I agree, Kamal's Hardcore fan following among the masses is dwindling. That has had an effect on the result of substandard movies like MMA. But a typical KH movie like VR or Dasa attracts the general audience like anything. I'd be glad if UV's result proves me wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by VinodKumar's
VV was his normal movie. Dont say that Dasa and Vishwa were his normal movies. They had their own hype. I am not sure if they are top grossers in TFI. His recent normal movies were MMA and Unnai Pol oruvan and everyone knows what they kizhichified in box office.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattori_hanzo
A different Kamal movie always has its hype & most Kamal movies are different :-). They don't expect Kamal to do run-of-the-mill stuff. There's nothing abnormal about his experiments. In some cases, like Thenaali, even such ordinary movies do exceedingly well. But MMA was bad in quality and business.Quote:
Originally Posted by VinodKumar's
With with a shoe-string budget of 12 cr, UPO brought in around 36 cr revenue and 8 crores net profit for RKFI in its 50 day run. It was the 2nd biggest hit of 2009, only next to Ayan & way ahead of Nadodigal, Vettaikaran, Pasanga etc. Please check any of 2009 Box Office report. One such example:-
http://www.behindwoods.com/tamil-mov...ol-oruvan.html
Yes they are :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by VinodKumar's
VV was a BB as well ... dont have the BW link but some details -
Vettaiyaadu Vilaiyaadu, made on a budget of INR240 million (US$4.0 million), collected totally INR500 million (US$8.4 million) worldwide. Behindwoods declared the film a "blockbuster". This was the first Tamil film to be released in 16 theatres in Chennai city alone and changed the trend of film release.
VV also is not a "typical" movie like what the other stars do.
FYI see this interview of Gautham menon that too 2nd para from the lastQuote:
Originally Posted by bill4u
http://baradwajrangan.wordpress.com/...gautham-menon/
VV budget without kamal's renumeration was 5.75crs and they sold it to about 17crs and he clearly mentions they got only little profit
6Cr budget'la Us la fullaa shoot pannittaangalaQuote:
Originally Posted by Ratheesh4709
who knows........but when the director of the film conveys some facts u cant deny itQuote:
Originally Posted by Mani84
Ore pugachal appa :)
Yeah they finally earned little profit because the major portion of profits were allocated to settle Kaja's earlier dues. Kaja Mohideen was neck deep in debts even before the movie's release & he attempted suicide. Kamal, Gautham and Oscar had to convince him and hold a press meet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ratheesh4709
Pasting the contents of the interview here:-
" It’s only because of Kaja’s — the earlier producer’s — overheads that it became a breakeven film, with a little bit of profit. Otherwise it’s a major money-spinner.” Gautham goes on to crunch the numbers (and you may need a stiff drink before reading what he has to say; I came out with my head reeling). “They sold the film at something like sixteen-five to seventeen, and nobody has lost money. So it’s definitely made about seventeen. Oscar Ravi released it in (Chennai) city-NSC, and he’s given us a 40 lakh profit. The film was sold in city-NSC alone for three-thirty. Now at the last minute, when it looked doubtful whether the film would release or not, Oscar Ravi asked us to buy the film from the current buyer, and we bought it back at four-thirty, which is one crore more than the market price. So the man who first bought it made a one-crore profit even without the film’s releasing. Now the film makes business of more than four-thirty, but actually the price is three-thirty. So it’s made around one-and-a-half crores profit in city-NSC alone. And maybe it’s not done as well in the smaller centres, but it’s made up for that in the main areas like Trichy.”
Who ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mohan kumar.
iLaiya Thilagam 'Raajakumaaran' Prabhu :mrgreen:Quote:
Originally Posted by VinodKumar's
after a long time reading some 30 posts at a stretch in hub... some good arguments from both sides..
Ajith & Vijay films may collect lot of money in future.. but to become a super star or something of that sort i don't think it will happen..
superstar - a household name.. u like him or not.. a SS film telecasted in TV brings whole family to watch it together atleast for 30 mins.. i ask Ajith & Vijay fans.. how many of your family members watch your hero's films when it is telecasted in TV..
for Ajith & Vijay to reach that stage they have to deliver some consecutive quality hits.. without this, anyway, they will rise to highest possible level in industry.. everyone in TN will know at the time of their film release.. but only the fans will look forward to see it.. others will take their own time or won't see it
in 80's, actors.... [disadvantages]
- released films continuously without any big break.. if one fails it will affect the next one & the pressure builds for consecutive failures & eventually it leads to field out
- limited theater release.. competition from their own films (multiple releases sometimes), competition from atleast 5 other actors
- needs a longer run to breakeven & then to see profits.. so, the content has to be good enough for the long run
at present.. [advantages]
- sufficient gap between releases.. makes people to forget the actor's previous films (failures).. they comeback again
- extensive promo in every media (online, FM, TV, print).. widest possible release.. has some kind of huge fan following.. get money from them even before the film content / quality is spread (advance booking for 1st 3 days in a wide release almost gets u majority of amount invested).. if somehow film clicks.. then its a jackpot.. else, same strategy for next film.. after 6 months
Honest,
The disadvantages that you've mentioned are actually advantages.
- Yesteryear heroes having continuous releases actually helped them. Even if they delivered a flop they immediately delivered a hit or an average film which made the people forget the flop. I remember Rajni advising someone (Ajith??) to churn out movies continuously exactly for this reason. This model is working well in Malayalam now. The big Ms release their movies every 3 months and even if their last film was a flop, the next release helps them to stay afloat.
- Those days the budgets of movies were much lesser because Tamil movies had market only in TN. So limited release didn't matter. And since there were no social media, the word of mouth, either good or bad, took time to circulate. So the movies of big stars had an uninterrupted run for weeks. Thats why a Maharaasan or Adhisaya Piravi had a good initial run those days and no one dared to make a movie like Soodhu Kavvum then. Think of Maharasan and Adhisaya piravi quality movies releasing now.
- Breakeven was quite easy to achieve for the reasons mentioned above. Easy in the sense, easier than today's movies. And producers were intelligent enough compared to today's corporate houses who have no idea about the field. Devar films or an AVM knew what budget would suit which star. I cant point out one such producer in today's scene.
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your breakeven analysis does not make sens to me as you take/assume the factors that play against each other actually equal or something like in over all is actually playing role against financial viability of a project
I wont agree with you.....
there are so many moving parts in film business.....Due to growth of media and technology, the dynamism has reached to next level... if sumit up,in overall, it should provide positive impact otherwise stakeholders of the business such as producers, distributors and exhibitors, actors would not have embrace it.
There is no denying fact that technology development and media growth is like double edge sword but a industry player know how to handle those... On one hand, he can take risk mitigation measures and other hand take leverage of reach of media....
Acting in many movies at a time is like diversifying the risk. the objective is risk mitigation.... But acting in one movie at a time is concentrating one project and make it happen big... here the objective is maximizing the revenue/profit etc....Lead actors have the choice to choose later option.
i heard antha kaalathula chiranjeevi oru varushathukku 15 padam nadippaaram
Probably these family members were youngsters when SS was at his prime and the youngsters fighting today will watch Ajith/Vijay movies on TV when they become respectable family members. And I do not feel it is correct to pick a lone medium and then compare actors of different generations through it. If you are comparing the reach of two current generation stars through TV then it is a different case.Quote:
Originally Posted by HonestRaj
A digitised and re-release of an MGR/Sivaji flick has more chances of attracting audience than a Rajini/Kamal film. Similar could be the case of the TV watching family audience(am assuming what you say is true despite the TRP of Vijay films being really high as the argument could be that not the entire family watches it) preferring Rajini over Ajith/Vijay.
Exactly my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movie Buff
Precisely my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movie Buff
u mean chinna pasanga refers to arya, simbu, ravi, vishal ?. Yeah kamal is better than them in BO collection
நிச்சயமா. ஏன்னா கமல் படங்களின் சாதனையை இந்த ஜென்மத்தில் மட்டும் இல்லை அடுத்த ஜென்மத்தில் கூட விஜய் ,அஜித்தால் முறியடிக்க முடியாது.Quote:
Kamal is not a threat to both Ajith and Vijay when it comes to BO
அது சரி, விஜய் படங்கள் எல்லாம் அப்படி என்னப்பா சாதனை பண்ணிடுச்சு?
எனக்கு தெரிஞ்சு 'மதுர','சச்சின்' போன்ற FLOP படங்களை 150,200 நாட்கள் என 'ஓட்டியது' தான் விஜய் படங்கள் செய்த சாதனை.அதை விட்டு Record எல்லாம் எதுவும் பண்ணலியே. யாராவது விவரம் தெரிந்தவர்கள் சொல்லுங்கப்பா.
more over now days.. particularly sat/sun movies are filled with ads.. no one is watching 'full' movie to get 'movie experience'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movie Buff
movie with 'songs', 'comedy' is getting watched during weekend.. movies like 'winner' will still being telecasted many times..
Kothu vudura maari theriyudhae.Quote:
Originally Posted by HonestRaj
It was said Kamal is no more threat to Vijay/Ajith in box office. What records are you talking about ? BO records or critically acclaimed ? First one need to be discussed whereas second one is not as Kamal has very good records and no other actor from his generation and current generation can break them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raajjaa
Din't want to pull kamal one more time into this argument. Still want to clarify to guys like you. Of course anyone from younger generation can give consistent massive hits like kamal managed (I can give a page full of blockbusters until he was 40 years of age - for comparison sake). But the question, noone has done that now. If someone has achieved in Box office somewhere comparable to what kamal did until his 40, then we can compare. Even now, when the younger generation should have overtaken him by a mile in BO when he is over 60, he is holding BO records. That's the point here!Quote:
Originally Posted by VinodKumar's
Why would anyone be talking about critically acclaimed stuff when discussing ajith and vijay man???
Kamal was never a 'threat' or a competitor to Ajith and Vijay :) They are fierce competitors to one other. Even the recent so called poll if valid had one with just 3-4% more than the other ... Not a unanimous victor. Jilla-veeram neck-neck etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by VinodKumar's
I guess if we had to compare (!!) then it should be apples to apples/oranges to oranges. Lets leave out the critically acclaimed part - there's no dispute there.
When it comes to BO records, again, are we comparing Kamal's best with the best of Ajith/Vijay ?
If so, then looking at the recents like VR, Dasa etc. they were only behind the SS movies in collections.
If we're comparing their mediocre/flop movies like MMA, then I'm not sure how sura or billa2 fared in the BO if that can be taken as a comparison.
Really we should leave Kamal out from all these comparisons.
Saai, good points. Could have saved my response for another time !
Anyways ;)
:) .....Quote:
Originally Posted by bill4u
Reality Check: Of Superstars & Controversy
http://www.indiaglitz.com/channels/t...eos/52361.html
Need we say anymore :)
Good one Bill... thanks for the link
:clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by bill4u
Chennai Box Office - First 6 months 2014
1. Veeram - 6.14 crores
2. Jilla - 5.68 crores
3. Kochadaiiyaan - 5.63 crores
4. Maan Karate - 4.80 crores
5. Idhu Kathirvelan Kadhal - 3.71 crores
Movies with superior return on investment
1. Yaamirukka Bayamey
2. Goli Soda
3. Manja Pai
4. Mundasupatti
5. Thegidi
Who is this Sai and Bill? :thinking:
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